I guess this has to keep happening before the city does something about it. First Arlington expressway, now the hart expressway. This city is a hazard to anyone that is not in a car.
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12:36 p.m. Northbound lanes of Hart Expressway at University Boulevard are still closed. Traffic is being diverted north onto University to Atlantic Boulevard and south onto University to Beach Boulevard.
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A female pedestrian was struck and killed today while crossing Jacksonville's Hart Expressway.
She was the second person in the city to be hit by a vehicle in just four hours, police said.
The female, whose name and age were not available, was heading north across the freeway when a garbage truck hit her, according to the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office.
It happened about 10 a.m., police said.
Northbound Hart Expressway is closed between University and Beach boulevards while police investigate the crash scene.
A vehicle hit another pedestrian earlier today on Atlantic Boulevard. That happened about 6:30 a.m. in the 6900 block.
The unidentified pedestrian was taken to Shands Jacksonville hospital with life-threatening injuries, JSO Sgt. R.A. Harville said. Crash investigators are working to learn more about the driver and vehicle. Police will provide a description when it is availabl
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/community/arlington/2012-02-21/story/pedestrian-killed-while-crossing-hart-expressway-jacksonville#ixzz1n2W94gxZ
The city doesn't care about you unless you've spent hundreds on having a car. You also have to be in your car driving it in order to benefit from the city's carelessness.
For example, I heard about a woman that had car trouble. She got out of her car to go to a gas station for help. She was struck by a car, and since she wasn't in her car, she was treated as one of those good for nothing pedestrians and the driver was of course not charged, simply because she was on foot.
Why won't the city crack down on bad driving? I've said it many times here, it would serve as a great source of revenue. I guess they just don't want to upset their precious drivers. It's BS
Quote from: urbaknight on February 21, 2012, 01:04:30 PM
The city doesn't care about you unless you've spent hundreds on having a car. You also have to be in your car driving it in order to benefit from the city's carelessness.
For example, I heard about a woman that had car trouble. She got out of her car to go to a gas station for help. She was struck by a car, and since she wasn't in her car, she was treated as one of those good for nothing pedestrians and the driver was of course not charged, simply because she was on foot.
Why won't the city crack down on bad driving? I've said it many times here, it would serve as a great source of revenue. I guess they just don't want to upset their precious drivers. It's BS
We need more pedestrain crosswalk on the hart and arlington expressway. But of course JTA and everyone one else complains about money. I guess scraficing the money and is not worth sparing peoples lifes.
QuoteI guess this has to keep happening before the city does something about it. First Arlington expressway, now the hart expressway. This city is a hazard to anyone that is not in a car.
How many pedestrian crosswalks are needed on each road and how far apart? I see people cross Beach daily, not at crosswalks mind you, between St. Johns Bluff and Southside Blvd. The people don't look like they really care to put the drivers at risk for their version of Frogger on the road.
I've seen people cross I-95 just north of Emerson because they were too lazy to walk down to either Emerson or the San Diego road. Forget the fact that people who cross a road without a cross walk are just plain ignorant and have a death wish, but I do agree that they are a minor issue compared to the idiots playing words with friends while they are driving.
Quote from: mtraininjax on February 21, 2012, 03:54:25 PM
QuoteI guess this has to keep happening before the city does something about it. First Arlington expressway, now the hart expressway. This city is a hazard to anyone that is not in a car.
Forget the fact that people who cross a road without a cross walk are just plain ignorant and have a death wish.
Or maybe they just long for the good old days back before their neighborhood was bisected by a six-lane interstate roadway. Back when they could walk to their neighbors house a block away without dodging multiple lanes of SUVs.
QuoteOr maybe they just long for the good old days back before their neighborhood was bisected by a six-lane interstate roadway. Back when they could walk to their neighbors house a block away without dodging multiple lanes of SUVs.
There are some nice spots in South Georgia for that.
By the way, 301 on the Westside is about to start their expansion project.
Quote from: mtraininjax on February 21, 2012, 03:54:25 PM
...but I do agree that they are a minor issue compared to the idiots playing words with friends while they are driving.
I don't play. How many points would you get for 'manslaughter'?
Quote from: mtraininjax on February 21, 2012, 03:54:25 PM
QuoteI guess this has to keep happening before the city does something about it. First Arlington expressway, now the hart expressway. This city is a hazard to anyone that is not in a car.
How many pedestrian crosswalks are needed on each road and how far apart? I see people cross Beach daily, not at crosswalks mind you, between St. Johns Bluff and Southside Blvd. The people don't look like they really care to put the drivers at risk for their version of Frogger on the road.
I've seen people cross I-95 just north of Emerson because they were too lazy to walk down to either Emerson or the San Diego road. Forget the fact that people who cross a road without a cross walk are just plain ignorant and have a death wish, but I do agree that they are a minor issue compared to the idiots playing words with friends while they are driving.
Just this past weekend, I saw an older man walking across Atlantic Boulevard by Bishop Kenny High School. Instead of taking the overhead walkway, the man was jaywalking across a road where traffic is exiting the expressway at high speeds.
Let me give you my own personal experience...
I always cross (or "jaywalk") across Beach Blvd. near the Parental Homes Rd. intersection to Winn-Dixie to get my grocery because I can't drive due to DMV taking my license away due to my legally blindness condition. Don't suggest me JTA Connexion or JTA city buses for grocery runs. I can throw you hundreds of reasons all day, and you don't want to hear it.
What do you think it is safer... cross the intersection of Parental Homes Rd. / Beach Blvd. OR jaywalk across Beach Blvd. over the median guard rails?
I say jaywalk across Beach Blvd.
For the record since I moved to the area back in late 2007, when I have crossed THAT intersection roughly 12 times, I nearly got hit by a car FOUR times EVEN during the time I am "ALLOWED" to cross. These drivers doesn't give a flying fuck about pedestrians.
To this day since, I have jaywalked to and back from the grocery store more than 500 times and have NEVER been nearly hit by a car (-knocks on a wood-) Why? It is simpler than you think.
As a natural flow of traffic and congestion at certain times, the red lights goes through cycles where cars has to stop for other red lights to open up the traffic in order to maintain the consistency. This creates a "break" in the traffic cycle where I can cross safely with no cars for at least 400 feet before next car comes closer.
With the "break" from the traffic in support, I also only need to look ONE DIRECTION which makes it easier for my vision.
All I can say to you Jacksonville drivers who don't give a damn about pedestrians, here is my answer to y'all: _|_(@_@)_|_
-Josh
@Josh - It is good that you do what works for you. The pedestrians who scare me are the ones who saunter across the road as if they have superpowers that render them invincible from tons of steel headed their way...
I say jaywalk AND look before you cross. It's crazy I know, but it works. I've walked across the Fuller Warren bridge before because, well. going across the Acosta is 0.8 miles longer and that's 15 extra minutes if you're on foot.
FYI, (like I really need to clarify this) don't attempt to cross the Fuller Warren on foot. JSO busted me last time I tried and let me off with a warning. It would be nice if we had a pedestrian pathway on that bridge though. And maybe a few "catwalk" like overpasses as seen between University and Emerson.
I heard the Republicans did it.
I vote for pedestrian overpasses at both Alderman and Townsend Roads.
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: urbaknight on February 21, 2012, 01:04:30 PM
The city doesn't care about you unless you've spent hundreds on having a car. You also have to be in your car driving it in order to benefit from the city's carelessness.
For example, I heard about a woman that had car trouble. She got out of her car to go to a gas station for help. She was struck by a car, and since she wasn't in her car, she was treated as one of those good for nothing pedestrians and the driver was of course not charged, simply because she was on foot.
Why won't the city crack down on bad driving? I've said it many times here, it would serve as a great source of revenue. I guess they just don't want to upset their precious drivers. It's BS
Because its not about safety, and cops only write tickets to fill quotas. Rarely is it because someone is actually a danger on the road. And the accidents, people getting injured, dying, cars getting smashed, etc are actually a major stream of revenue & industry creators. Sick I know.
Quote from: David on February 21, 2012, 05:32:56 PM
I say jaywalk AND look before you cross. It's crazy I know, but it works. I've walked across the Fuller Warren bridge before because, well. going across the Acosta is 0.8 miles longer and that's 15 extra minutes if you're on foot.
FYI, (like I really need to clarify this) don't attempt to cross the Fuller Warren on foot. JSO busted me last time I tried and let me off with a warning. It would be nice if we had a pedestrian pathway on that bridge though. And maybe a few "catwalk" like overpasses as seen between University and Emerson.
So you are saying that we should let the city off the hook for not looking out for our best interest of the citizens? I guess we should continue to blame the citizens for the lack of planning on city (or JTA's) part? If you think that have pedestrain cross walks are not necessary, you definately have issues. And for anyone to defend that is a complete idiot. That is all.
FYI- I wonder if you tone would be different if that was your sister or mother killed.
Quote from: Jaxson on February 21, 2012, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: mtraininjax on February 21, 2012, 03:54:25 PM
QuoteI guess this has to keep happening before the city does something about it. First Arlington expressway, now the hart expressway. This city is a hazard to anyone that is not in a car.
How many pedestrian crosswalks are needed on each road and how far apart? I see people cross Beach daily, not at crosswalks mind you, between St. Johns Bluff and Southside Blvd. The people don't look like they really care to put the drivers at risk for their version of Frogger on the road.
I've seen people cross I-95 just north of Emerson because they were too lazy to walk down to either Emerson or the San Diego road. Forget the fact that people who cross a road without a cross walk are just plain ignorant and have a death wish, but I do agree that they are a minor issue compared to the idiots playing words with friends while they are driving.
Just this past weekend, I saw an older man walking across Atlantic Boulevard by Bishop Kenny High School. Instead of taking the overhead walkway, the man was jaywalking across a road where traffic is exiting the expressway at high speeds.
I will say, regardless what you do, some people will still do silly things. Maybe he thought he was on the crosswalk. Hey the guy was old LOL!
Quote from: duvaldude08 on February 21, 2012, 11:21:30 PM
Quote from: David on February 21, 2012, 05:32:56 PM
I say jaywalk AND look before you cross. It's crazy I know, but it works. I've walked across the Fuller Warren bridge before because, well. going across the Acosta is 0.8 miles longer and that's 15 extra minutes if you're on foot.
FYI, (like I really need to clarify this) don't attempt to cross the Fuller Warren on foot. JSO busted me last time I tried and let me off with a warning. It would be nice if we had a pedestrian pathway on that bridge though. And maybe a few "catwalk" like overpasses as seen between University and Emerson.
So you are saying that we should let the city off the hook for not looking out for our best interest of the citizens? I guess we should continue to blame the citizens for the lack of planning on city (or JTA's) part? If you think that have pedestrain cross walks are not necessary, you definately have issues. And for anyone to defend that is a complete idiot. That is all.
FYI- I wonder if you tone would be different if that was your sister or mother killed.
If the city doesn't do its part, then why should pedestrians? Honest question.
And I sorta look at this like I do the biking situation here in Jax. Most places here don't give you a bike lane, or even a shoulder. But yet they make it illegal to ride on the sidewalk. So what's the option then? So I ride on the sidewalk when its necessary (and a lot of times, it is). If I get a ticket, then so be it. It won't be paid. That's the city's fault, not mine.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on February 21, 2012, 11:21:30 PM
Quote from: David on February 21, 2012, 05:32:56 PM
I say jaywalk AND look before you cross. It's crazy I know, but it works. I've walked across the Fuller Warren bridge before because, well. going across the Acosta is 0.8 miles longer and that's 15 extra minutes if you're on foot.
FYI, (like I really need to clarify this) don't attempt to cross the Fuller Warren on foot. JSO busted me last time I tried and let me off with a warning. It would be nice if we had a pedestrian pathway on that bridge though. And maybe a few "catwalk" like overpasses as seen between University and Emerson.
So you are saying that we should let the city off the hook for not looking out for our best interest of the citizens? I guess we should continue to blame the citizens for the lack of planning on city (or JTA's) part? If you think that have pedestrain cross walks are not necessary, you definately have issues. And for anyone to defend that is a complete idiot. That is all.
FYI- I wonder if you tone would be different if that was your sister or mother killed.
?? No idea how you pulled that out of my response. That's like a times union comment..."Well, because of Obama and Bush, and gas prices and terrorist, that's why I can't drive my SUV!"
Maybe expressways aren't the best place for pedestrians. There's definitely a reason why JSO escorted me off the Fuller Warren bridge when I tried crossing it on foot: pedestrians can get hit and killed on there. And i'm pro crosswalks. Build a catwalk, sorry "pedestrian overpass"
If this were Sim City i'd plop them down all over the place.
We know from articles here that Jacksonville is a very dangerous place for pedestrians. We also know that the City Council somehow sleeps just fine knowing the deaths will continue and even increase because of their Mobility Fee Moratorium that encourages the same old development style. With the added bonus of costing their constituents more in taxes.
QuoteI say jaywalk across Beach Blvd.
Wow, and legally blind going across
8 lanes of traffic with no regard for the dragstrip known as Beach Blvd?
You sir are a brave person. You must have 9 lives.
How about any insight as to WHY this person was WALKING across the Hart Bridge EXPRESSWAY?
If you're brave/stupid enough to try to cross an EXPRESSWAY, then good luck. I am sorry for her family's loss, for certain. But really? We're in an uproar about someone trying to cross a highway?
Where was she going? If she was 'heading north', then certainly she was going downtown for something?
Couldn't she take a bus (never mind.. 'JTA'.. duh..) or ask a friend or find some alternate mode of transportation to get where she was going?
I'm also pro-"catwalk," but just because they're built doesn't mean they'll get used - just look at the anecdotes in this thread about people not using them and jaywalking anyway. Don't know how we can just outright blame the city for this one...
Quote from: Doctor_K on February 22, 2012, 03:29:21 PM
How about any insight as to WHY this person was WALKING across the Hart Bridge EXPRESSWAY?
If you're brave/stupid enough to try to cross an EXPRESSWAY, then good luck. I am sorry for her family's loss, for certain. But really? We're in an uproar about someone trying to cross a highway?
Where was she going? If she was 'heading north', then certainly she was going downtown for something?
Couldn't she take a bus (never mind.. 'JTA'.. duh..) or ask a friend or find some alternate mode of transportation to get where she was going?
I'm also pro-"catwalk," but just because they're built doesn't mean they'll get used - just look at the anecdotes in this thread about people not using them and jaywalking anyway. Don't know how we can just outright blame the city for this one...
But we can blame them for poor planning from the beginning though. Our entire city is logstically screwed up honestly.
QuoteBut we can blame them for poor planning from the beginning though. Our entire city is logstically screwed up honestly.
I blame the Garbage Truck driver for going too fast and not paying attention to the road.
Quote from: mtraininjax on February 22, 2012, 04:45:25 PM
QuoteBut we can blame them for poor planning from the beginning though. Our entire city is logstically screwed up honestly.
I blame the Garbage Truck driver for going too fast and not paying attention to the road.
Still the truck driver's fault....
Quotehttp://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-02-27/story/traffic-death-hart-expressway-apparent-suicide
Traffic death on Hart Expressway apparent suicide
Posted: February 27, 2012 - 10:30am | Updated: February 27, 2012 - 12:31pmPhoto By Dan Scanlan jacksonville.com Copyright 2012 The Florida Times-Union. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
February 27, 2012 - 10:30am
A 27-year-old Southside woman hit and killed Tuesday morning on the Hart Expressway was an apparent suicide, according to the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office.
Police said the woman was crossing the highway about 10 a.m. when a garbage truck hit her in the northbound lanes. Officers investigating the accident heard someone screaming from the Peppertree apartment complex just south of the expressway at 2800 University Blvd. S.
A detective went to the complex to find a 56-year-old woman who lived there holding a suicide note she had found in her car written by her daughter. The note, in part, referred to the expressway, according to the incident report. Then the victim was identified as the older woman’s daughter, police said.
The police investigation into the death is continuing, according to the Sheriff’s Office.
Actually,
I blame and pity those who voted...
-Josh
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on February 27, 2012, 01:58:47 PM
Quote from: wsansewjs on February 27, 2012, 01:53:59 PM
Actually,
I blame and pity those who voted...
-Josh
???
Let me clarify... I blame and pity those who voted... for our politicians in the offices. It all started with us, the citizens who put these politicians in the office that some may or may not do anything to make the difference in this city for all of our problems especially public transportation, roads & highways, pedestrian-friendly obstructions, poor planning of economic development, and much more.
-Josh
Quote from: wsansewjs on February 27, 2012, 02:11:00 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on February 27, 2012, 01:58:47 PM
Quote from: wsansewjs on February 27, 2012, 01:53:59 PM
Actually,
I blame and pity those who voted...
-Josh
???
Let me clarify... I blame and pity those who voted... for our politicians in the offices. It all started with us, the citizens who put these politicians in the office that some may or may not do anything to make the difference in this city for all of our problems especially public transportation, roads & highways, pedestrian-friendly obstructions, poor planning of economic development, and much more.
-Josh
Eh. The girl 'apparently' commited suicide. You can't legislate that. The only one's in this case you should pity are her friends and family who will probably feel like maybe there was more they could have done to prevent it, and the guy/girl driving the truck that will always wonder if he/she could have done something else to avoid the accident.
Quote from: Kaiser Soze on February 27, 2012, 02:35:51 PM
Quote from: wsansewjs on February 27, 2012, 02:11:00 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on February 27, 2012, 01:58:47 PM
Quote from: wsansewjs on February 27, 2012, 01:53:59 PM
Actually,
I blame and pity those who voted...
-Josh
???
Let me clarify... I blame and pity those who voted... for our politicians in the offices. It all started with us, the citizens who put these politicians in the office that some may or may not do anything to make the difference in this city for all of our problems especially public transportation, roads & highways, pedestrian-friendly obstructions, poor planning of economic development, and much more.
-Josh
Its Obama's fault this girl killed herself.
(http://stuffandthingsblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/picard-facepalm.jpg)
-Josh
QuoteI blame and pity those who voted... for our politicians in the offices.
Wait, I'm With Alvin.....