3 people are wanted. 1 woman injured but ok. Sounds like she wasn't the target:
http://www.news4jax.com/news/Woman-shot-in-Regency-Square-Mall-3-men-sought/-/475880/8627248/-/poh6qfz/-/index.html
TU has got it too with a bit more details:
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-02-10/story/shooting-closes-regency-square-mall
QuotePolice said three men were leaving the building at 12:47 p.m. when at least one of the men fired multiple shots inside the mall. An employee who appeared to be in her mid-30s was hit but not seriously injured, said Lt. Brian Richardson of the sheriff's office.
Not good news. I hope the person that did this is caught. Not good publicity at all for a Mall that is practically on its last leg now.
Too bad this happen. Regency already takes enough heat. When kidnapping and robberies happen at the Avenues and Town Center, people over look it. As soon as something happens at Regency, everybody pounces on them. My philospy is, no where is safe these days. No where. Im glad no one was seriously injuried though.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on February 10, 2012, 04:45:36 PM
Too bad this happen. Regency already takes enough heat. When kidnapping and robberies happen at the Avenues and Town Center, people over look it. As soon as something happens at Regency, everybody pounces on them.
You're right. Reading the comments on the TU is (as usual) depressing. I wonder what they think the town center will be like in 20 years?
I blame the regency owners a bit though. They've done nothing to adapt to the current consumer. For whatever reason, consumers like town centers now, regency needs to adapt. They've done nothing but let it slowly die. I wish someone would buy it with a vision.
Still, Arlington is one of Jacksonville most densely populated areas, there's a lot of people who drive past regency to go to the SJTC. Lot's of potential customers, if only they'd give it a face lift.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on February 10, 2012, 04:45:36 PM
Too bad this happen. Regency already takes enough heat. When kidnapping and robberies happen at the Avenues and Town Center, people over look it. As soon as something happens at Regency, everybody pounces on them. My philospy is, no where is safe these days. No where. Im glad no one was seriously injuried though.
Michael Moore explained the way the news media treats stories like this in Bowling for Columbine. It's the fear of the angry black man.
Quote from: coredumped on February 10, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on February 10, 2012, 04:45:36 PM
Too bad this happen. Regency already takes enough heat. When kidnapping and robberies happen at the Avenues and Town Center, people over look it. As soon as something happens at Regency, everybody pounces on them.
You're right. Reading the comments on the TU is (as usual) depressing. I wonder what they think the town center will be like in 20 years?
I blame the regency owners a bit though. They've done nothing to adapt to the current consumer. For whatever reason, consumers like town centers now, regency needs to adapt. They've done nothing but let it slowly die. I wish someone would buy it with a vision.
Still, Arlington is one of Jacksonville most densely populated areas, there's a lot of people who drive past regency to go to the SJTC. Lot's of potential customers, if only they'd give it a face lift.
Regency is fine to me. I actually go there and I stay around the corner from the Avenues. LOL To be honest, Im more comfortable there. Regency has a very diverse shopping crowd. For reasons that I will not state, I feel COMPLETELY out of place the the Town Center. Regency will be okay. The Arlington Area is what has taken a toll on the mall, not the mall its self. Speaking of that, check out Amazing Consignments, they have some beautiful stuff in there. I just bought a dining room set out of there.
Quote from: copperfiend on February 10, 2012, 05:02:43 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on February 10, 2012, 04:45:36 PM
Too bad this happen. Regency already takes enough heat. When kidnapping and robberies happen at the Avenues and Town Center, people over look it. As soon as something happens at Regency, everybody pounces on them. My philospy is, no where is safe these days. No where. Im glad no one was seriously injuried though.
Michael Moore explained the way the news media treats stories like this in Bowling for Columbine. It's the fear of the angry black man.
LOL you dont have to tell me. Im a black man so I know all to well. Regency gets exposed, and when things happen at the Avenues and Town Center they get brushed under the rug. Nobody talks about the Kidnapping and robbery that happen at the Town Center last year, or the attempted robbery at the Avenues in December and the chick had to sprint for her life with high heels on to get away. And that is only two incidents. There is more. But hey it is what it is. 8)
This isn't a topic of race, to me. I just find it alarming that who ever ( I don't care about gender or race) randomly fires into a group of people at a mall ..Regency or wherever, hitting an innocent by-stander who could easily have been killed. Thank god the injury was not more serious. WTF ?!?!?!? That is just not good. If this happened at Town Center or the Avenues there would be just as much backlash.
With a good portion of that Mall empty and events like this and others that have occurred there in the last year , its really bad publicity for an already suffering place.
In the big picture, the evolution of our regional shopping centers is tied to the race issue. Remember Gateway Mall when it first opened? Look at Gateway today. Retail follows what is usually called 'white flight.'
Quote from: Jaxson on February 10, 2012, 11:55:35 PM
In the big picture, the evolution of our regional shopping centers is tied to the race issue. Remember Gateway Mall when it first opened? Look at Gateway today. Retail follows what is usually called 'white flight.'
+1
Gateway is almost empty now, is it not?
Quote from: Timkin on February 10, 2012, 11:50:02 PM
This isn't a topic of race, to me. I just find it alarming that who ever ( I don't care about gender or race) randomly fires into a group of people at a mall ..Regency or wherever, hitting an innocent by-stander who could easily have been killed. Thank god the injury was not more serious. WTF ?!?!?!? That is just not good. If this happened at Town Center or the Avenues there would be just as much backlash.
With a good portion of that Mall empty and events like this and others that have occurred there in the last year , its really bad publicity for an already suffering place.
From the footage showed on the news it looks like some young kids just being ignorant. It is what it is. Any adult what have been at work during that time of day. That is why I find out is so shocking.
Quote from: Jaxson on February 10, 2012, 11:55:35 PM
In the big picture, the evolution of our regional shopping centers is tied to the race issue. Remember Gateway Mall when it first opened? Look at Gateway today. Retail follows what is usually called 'white flight.'
I dont think it can be compared to gateway. Gateway rose and fell into the depths of hell rather quickly.I grew up not to far away from gateway and it was always the "ghetto" from my memory. ( I am 30 years old). Only my mom and dad could tell me about the decade when it was nice. The they say by the late 80's and everyone was getting robbed and getting shopping bags snatched on a regular basis. Regency has been around 50 years and is still not anywhere near that condition and was much more sucessful IMO. I think Regency has held on greatly. The demographics of the Gateway and Arlington are completely different. The Arlington area is extremely diverse, where as the Gateway area is majority minority.
Quote from: copperfiend on February 10, 2012, 05:02:43 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on February 10, 2012, 04:45:36 PM
Too bad this happen. Regency already takes enough heat. When kidnapping and robberies happen at the Avenues and Town Center, people over look it. As soon as something happens at Regency, everybody pounces on them. My philospy is, no where is safe these days. No where. Im glad no one was seriously injuried though.
Michael Moore explained the way the news media treats stories like this in Bowling for Columbine. It's the fear of the angry black man.
What is the world supposed to think when such a high percent of violence and theft are caused by mad black boys?...Are we to ignore this fact?
Quote from: coredumped on February 10, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on February 10, 2012, 04:45:36 PM
Too bad this happen. Regency already takes enough heat. When kidnapping and robberies happen at the Avenues and Town Center, people over look it. As soon as something happens at Regency, everybody pounces on them.
You're right. Reading the comments on the TU is (as usual) depressing. I wonder what they think the town center will be like in 20 years?
I blame the regency owners a bit though. They've done nothing to adapt to the current consumer. For whatever reason, consumers like town centers now, regency needs to adapt. They've done nothing but let it slowly die. I wish someone would buy it with a vision.
Still, Arlington is one of Jacksonville most densely populated areas, there's a lot of people who drive past regency to go to the SJTC. Lot's of potential customers, if only they'd give it a face lift.
Really? You blame Regency Mall for some black thugs nearly killing someone for no other apparent reason than their own enjoyment? Amazing. One problem with this country is that we have a lot more of these animals among us than political correctness will allow us to acknowledge.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on February 11, 2012, 12:28:43 AM
Quote from: Jaxson on February 10, 2012, 11:55:35 PM
In the big picture, the evolution of our regional shopping centers is tied to the race issue. Remember Gateway Mall when it first opened? Look at Gateway today. Retail follows what is usually called 'white flight.'
I dont think it can be compared to gateway. Gateway rose and fell into the depths of hell rather quickly.I grew up not to far away from gateway and it was always the "ghetto" from my memory. ( I am 30 years old). Only my mom and dad could tell me about the decade when it was nice. The they say by the late 80's and everyone was getting robbed and getting shopping bags snatched on a regular basis. Regency has been around 50 years and is still not anywhere near that condition and was much more sucessful IMO. I think Regency has held on greatly. The demographics of the Gateway and Arlington are completely different. The Arlington area is extremely diverse, where as the Gateway area is majority minority.
It actually compares with Gateway quite well. Gateway is one of the sites highlighted in the book Metro Jacksonville is publishing soon. It dates back to 1959 and was the largest shopping center in Jacksonville until Regency's expansion in the early 1980s. It's fall was abrupt because just about all of it's anchors closed within a 2-3 year stretch of each other, primarily through department store mergers and bankruptcies. It was the first suburban location for many retailers that had previously been located in downtown Jacksonville.
The saddest, funniest image has popped into my head. I see an unhappy, bilious man crouching in a den lit only by the glow of his ancient desktop moniter, nearly giving himself an aneurism while willfully withholding from his natural pattern of typing in all caps and inserting extraneous punctuation.
IF JUST STOP TYPING IN CAPS!!!!! THEN THEY WILL PAY ATTENTION TO MY CRYPTO-RACIST HOGWASH!!!!
Whats even scarier is that theyre opening a massive, national poker room right across the street from Regency. It will be hosting televised poker tournaments and will be the largest poker room in Florida. Kind of a bad idea in my opinion....
Do large poker rooms across the country have high crime rates? It would be interesting to see some statistical documentation on this.
Massive, national poker room = jobs.
Quote from: Garden guy on February 11, 2012, 05:53:11 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on February 10, 2012, 05:02:43 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on February 10, 2012, 04:45:36 PM
Too bad this happen. Regency already takes enough heat. When kidnapping and robberies happen at the Avenues and Town Center, people over look it. As soon as something happens at Regency, everybody pounces on them. My philospy is, no where is safe these days. No where. Im glad no one was seriously injuried though.
Michael Moore explained the way the news media treats stories like this in Bowling for Columbine. It's the fear of the angry black man.
What is the world supposed to think when such a high percent of violence and theft are caused by mad black boys?...Are we to ignore this fact?
What is "this fact" you speak of?
Quote from: copperfiend on February 11, 2012, 04:24:26 PM
Quote from: Garden guy on February 11, 2012, 05:53:11 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on February 10, 2012, 05:02:43 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on February 10, 2012, 04:45:36 PM
Too bad this happen. Regency already takes enough heat. When kidnapping and robberies happen at the Avenues and Town Center, people over look it. As soon as something happens at Regency, everybody pounces on them. My philospy is, no where is safe these days. No where. Im glad no one was seriously injuried though.
Michael Moore explained the way the news media treats stories like this in Bowling for Columbine. It's the fear of the angry black man.
What is the world supposed to think when such a high percent of violence and theft are caused by mad black boys?...Are we to ignore this fact?
What is "this fact" you speak of?
Nothing racist about statistics.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on February 11, 2012, 12:28:43 AM
Quote from: Jaxson on February 10, 2012, 11:55:35 PM
In the big picture, the evolution of our regional shopping centers is tied to the race issue. Remember Gateway Mall when it first opened? Look at Gateway today. Retail follows what is usually called 'white flight.'
I dont think it can be compared to gateway. Gateway rose and fell into the depths of hell rather quickly.I grew up not to far away from gateway and it was always the "ghetto" from my memory. ( I am 30 years old). Only my mom and dad could tell me about the decade when it was nice. The they say by the late 80's and everyone was getting robbed and getting shopping bags snatched on a regular basis. Regency has been around 50 years and is still not anywhere near that condition and was much more sucessful IMO. I think Regency has held on greatly. The demographics of the Gateway and Arlington are completely different. The Arlington area is extremely diverse, where as the Gateway area is majority minority.
Gateway Mall did not always serve an almost exclusively black clientele. As a matter of fact, many whites lived in areas that are now associated with the black 'Northside.' I even remember in the 1980s when Gateway still boasted over 100 stores. When you consider that it opened at a time when the relatively new expressway gave shoppers easy access to it, it was a premier shopping center much like the Roosevelt Mall was on the Westside as well as others that were in this first generation of shopping malls. Regency opened in 1967 and was the next big thing for local retail. As my previous comment points out, however, the evolution of retail tends to always be creating the next new sensation for local shoppers as they continue moving deeper into suburbia. With easy access to St. Johns Town Center via the I-295 Beltway and Southside Boulevard, it is natural that Arlington shoppers would also follow the shopper exodus to the new place.
Quote from: RMHoward on February 11, 2012, 09:03:30 AM
Really? You blame Regency Mall for some black thugs nearly killing someone for no other apparent reason than their own enjoyment? Amazing. One problem with this country is that we have a lot more of these animals among us than political correctness will allow us to acknowledge.
No, I blame Regency for allowing itself to slip in to decay.
They've done nothing to face lift the place or make it more inviting. It's time for a remodel, the 70s look is too dated. They could put some skylights or something in there. Perhaps back when real estate was booming they could have secured a loan.
Don't get me wrong, I live in the area and shop at Regency, but they have to adapt with the times.
As someone else said, Arlington is very diverse, we have million dollar homes to section 8 housing and everything in between. A mall the size of regency should not be struggling to find tenants or customers.
Quote from: coredumped on February 11, 2012, 06:12:55 PM
Quote from: RMHoward on February 11, 2012, 09:03:30 AM
Really? You blame Regency Mall for some black thugs nearly killing someone for no other apparent reason than their own enjoyment? Amazing. One problem with this country is that we have a lot more of these animals among us than political correctness will allow us to acknowledge.
No, I blame Regency for allowing itself to slip in to decay.
They've done nothing to face lift the place or make it more inviting. It's time for a remodel, the 70s look is too dated. They could put some skylights or something in there. Perhaps back when real estate was booming they could have secured a loan.
Don't get me wrong, I live in the area and shop at Regency, but they have to adapt with the times.
As someone else said, Arlington is very diverse, we have million dollar homes to section 8 housing and everything in between. A mall the size of regency should not be struggling to find tenants or customers.
Regency has been renovated in the past twenty years or so (in the 90's) so how does it have a 70's look? That I cant agree with. Now Gateway's Mall has a 70's look for sure. But Regency by far has a 70's look.
Actually, I think Gateway was refurbished at some point 15 + years ago. I remember going there as a kid.
Malls are going away.... "Town Center" developments are the trend.
When I lived in Winter Park , I saw the Winter Park Mall become a Gateway...and get redeveloped as a town center type layout known as Winter Park Village. I think eventually Gateway will come back if it goes through a similar change.. So too will Regency.
Gateway's last major renovation took place in 1985. I believe Regency's last major renovation took place in the 1990s. Typically a mall probably needs to make major renovations every decade to maintain its market share.
Quote from: Timkin on February 11, 2012, 09:38:25 PM
Malls are going away.... "Town Center" developments are the trend.
I think eventually Gateway will come back if it goes through a similar change.. So too will Regency.
I doubt if Reg and Gateway will change into 'SJTC style' lifestyle center type places, they are pretty much WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get). There are like enclaves situated in the middle of long existing road infastructure, residential housing, surrounding businesses etc. More times than often, Lifestyle Centers are built deep in the suburbs on virgin land, so they can build as they please without red tape. IMO an old school style indoor mall still has it's place, as long as it's updated; Contrary to popular belief, the existing ones aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Regarding the whole race issue, all I can say is 'wow' concerning some of these posts. Some of yall might as well have said, "See, I told you we shouldn't have lifted them perfectly fine Jim Crow laws back in the days!"
Are there major problems in the black community? Yes.
Do blacks take part in a large part of the crime rate, esp considering that we're minorities? Yes.
I'm I embarrassed sometimes with my race when scum like the 'Reg 3' shoot up the mall, and further give credibility to 'the typical stereotypes' Yes.
Did Bill Cosby 'tell it like it is' concerning problems with most of the black community? IMO Yes.
Are all of us violent senseless animals that shoot it out with each other with no regard for human life, and all we think about is weed, guns, revenge on rivals, potential jail sentences, multiple baby mamas, etc? HELL NO!!!
Some of us are actually productive US citizens; Please don't lump all of us with them a-holes at Regency.
Quote from: I-10east on February 12, 2012, 06:40:29 AM
Regarding the whole race issue, all I can say is 'wow' concerning some of these posts. Some of yall might as well have said, "See, I told you we shouldn't have lifted them perfectly fine Jim Crow laws back in the days!"
Are there major problems in the black community? Yes.
Do blacks take part in a large part of the crime rate, esp considering that we're minorities? Yes.
I'm I embarrassed sometimes with my race when scum like the 'Reg 3' shoot up the mall, and further give credibility to 'the typical stereotypes' Yes
Did Bill Cosby 'tell it like it is' concerning problems with most of the black community? IMO Yes.
Are all of us violent senseless animals that shoot it out with each other with no regard for human life, and all we think about is weed, guns, revenge on rivals, potential jail sentences, multiple baby mamas, etc? HELL NO!!!
Some of us are actually productive US citizens; Please don't lump all of us with them a-holes at Regency.
Thanks for being a productive US citizen I-10. There are many like you, i know. Forgive me for saying but i think one of the problems is that you and other productive black US citizens will aim your energyand displeasure at those of us pointing out the black problem (hence your above post) rather than aiming energy and displeasure at fixing the problems in your own community. Where are the black leaders coming to the podium of an audience and demanding that these actions stop? Instead, we get the brothers Sharpton and Jackson pointing the finger away from the real problem. The problems in the black community always seem to be someone else's fault. I feel nothing will change in the future. Thats the way i see it.
As a black and urban planner who grew up "across the tracks", I've always had a problem with this black leader thing and how race is discussed here in general. In fact, I find it kind of crazy that a random shooting at Regency has sparked this discussion. We've had several more crimes committed in this community this year by various people of different pigments and this didn't pop up.
We live in a society where cause and effect certainly rings true. Rip apart a segment of society's family structure for centuries and you'll probably find it may take just as long to repair it on a large scale. Force people to live near industrial facilities and don't be surprised when they aren't as healthy as those that don't live near them. Place somebody in a social environment where educational opportunities are harder to come through and don't be surprised when them, their kids, and grandkids don't rise up the economic ladder of success as quick as others. Place horny teenagers in an isolated room by themselves without protection and don't be surprised when babies eventually pop out. I could go on with various cause and effect examples that have more to do with economics and environment than race.
There is no Bill Cosby, Jessie Jackson, David Duke, etc. that's going to come in and save the day. White, black, red, etc. most of America's issues have less to do with race and more to do with environmental context, imo. So instead of focusing on a black, white, yellow, green leader, etc. (we aren't a tribe, there is no single leader or king), focus on some level needs to be at a much larger scale.
You want to stop crime, you're better off attempting to change the urban environment that crime you'd like to address is breeded in. For example, insead of closing schools, parks, and providing horrible public transportation, perhaps these things should be improved in distressed communities. I believe this method is more effective in all segments of society than separating and blaming individual races. Imo, nothing will change in the future until we can become more colorblind on race and focus on changing the causes that create negative effects.
Back to the comment that Regency couldn't transform into a SJTC-type lifestyle center - Roosevelt Mall did it a few years ago, and seems to be doing alright.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 12, 2012, 09:46:09 AM
As a black and urban planner who grew up "across the tracks", I've always had a problem with this black leader thing and how race is discussed here in general. In fact, I find it kind of crazy that a random shooting at Regency has sparked this discussion. We've had several more crimes committed in this community this year by various people of different pigments and this didn't pop up.
We live in a society where cause and effect certainly rings true. Rip apart a segment of society's family structure for centuries and you'll probably find it may take just as long to repair it on a large scale. Force people to live near industrial facilities and don't be surprised when they aren't as healthy as those that don't live near them. Place somebody in a social environment where educational opportunities are harder to come through and don't be surprised when them, their kids, and grandkids don't rise up the economic ladder of success as quick as others. Place horny teenagers in an isolated room by themselves without protection and don't be surprised when babies eventually pop out. I could go on with various cause and effect examples that have more to do with economics and environment than race.
There is no Bill Cosby, Jessie Jackson, David Duke, etc. that's going to come in and save the day. White, black, red, etc. most of America's issues have less to do with race and more to do with environmental context, imo. So instead of focusing on a black, white, yellow, green leader, etc. (we aren't a tribe, there is no single leader or king), focus on some level needs to be at a much larger scale.
You want to stop crime, you're better off attempting to change the urban environment that crime you'd like to address is breeded in. For example, insead of closing schools, parks, and providing horrible public transportation, perhaps these things should be improved in distressed communities. I believe this method is more effective in all segments of society than separating and blaming individual races. Imo, nothing will change in the future until we can become more colorblind on race and focus on changing the causes that create negative effects.
You said the following: "force people to live near industrial centers", "Rip apart a segment of society's family structure ", "Place somebody in a social environment where educational opportunities are harder to come through and don't be surprised when them, their kids, and grandkids don't rise up the economic ladder of success as quick as others".
Not wanting to put words in your mouth but who or what is the noun doing the action in the preceeding quotes? I think we all know who blame is being, once again, shifted to here. You can talk about all the parks, schools, etc., you want to, but until black society stops having 72% of children out of wedlock, black children will continue to grow up in one-parent (if lucky) households where they fend for themselves and grow up on the streets. This leads to dread-locked bangers with pants down to their knees infiltrating all sorts of society just daring anyone to give a negative look in their direcion. Stop shifting blame to the rest of society for black family breakdowns. I, for one, am sick of hearing about it.
"Too bad this happen. Regency already takes enough heat. When kidnapping and robberies happen at the Avenues and Town Center, people over look it. As soon as something happens at Regency, everybody pounces on them. My philospy is, no where is safe these days. No where. Im glad no one was seriously injuried though."
I totally agree. I also live in Arlington and shop at Regency. If anything happens in the Arlington/Regency area it is instantly reported. Usually followed by several followup stories (as with the story on jacksonvilles.com today by the husband of the victim of the shooting) Crime in other areas is usually underreported. One poster on news4jax states that there were shots fired in San Marco on friday evening during two attempted car thefts. If this is true, why no news coverage?
QuoteThis leads to dread-locked bangers with pants down to their knees infiltrating all sorts of society just daring anyone to give a negative look in their direcion. Stop shifting blame to the rest of society for black family breakdowns. I, for one, am sick of hearing about it.
Wow, that's a pretty poor view of a race. Pants down to their knees isn't exactly a black youth only problem so why equate it to blacks in particular? Having children out of wedlock also isn't a black only problem. If you put any effort into researching your positions, I believe you'll discover that many of the things you're equating with blacks as a whole are more educational and economic demographic driven than racial. With that said, you may have your own set of demons you may need to focus on exercising instead of looking down on others.
As for my quote, I'm not blaming any race or individual. However, I am saying that we (all of us) as a whole have to change our environment if we want to truly lift all segments of society. Plug any color into the environmental context described and the result will be the same. It's not a black community this or white community that. It's also not about trying to find who to blame and acting like some are better than others. It's not 1955 anymore. We've got to get past that gutter level of society style of thinking if we truly want progress.
I'm not gonna pretend I know WTF I'm talking about. All I know are the stats & my own experiences.
I grew up in literally the exact type of environment Lake mentioned above, except it was all white & not inner city. Coal country in southern Appalachia. Sure, there was crime & you had your drug abuse & the occasional pill head robbing someone's house, but nothing like what goes on in inner city ghettos that are predominantly black. Has anyone even heard of such a thing anywhere?? I have not. And I'm talking dirt poor, filthy polluted environment living, uneducated baby having people here. Just white. So if there was a "white ghetto", that'd be it (and then some).
And look, I'm not saying it is a race thing. Its very likely a mix of elements, including social, environment & class (with possibly some instinctual elements). All I'm saying is I'm not sure I can buy the whole "its the environment, stupid" argument.
Like I said, I'm not gonna pretend I know what it is, but I know its not just those things.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 11, 2012, 02:08:18 PM
Do large poker rooms across the country have high crime rates? It would be interesting to see some statistical documentation on this.
Im not sure, but what Im getting at is, it will be known that people will be leaving the poker room with large sums of money in their pocket (the poker room will be open 24 hours a day by the way). People with large sums of money in their pockets in Arlington....I think you get my point.
Its definitely not a race thing.....The majority of serial killings, serial rapes, home grown extremists, and sex crime are committed by white people. Is it a "white problem"?
Quote from: peestandingup on February 12, 2012, 12:05:38 PM
I'm not gonna pretend I know WTF I'm talking about. All I know are the stats & my own experiences.
I grew up in literally the exact type of environment Lake mentioned above, except it was all white & not inner city. Coal country in southern Appalachia. Sure, there was crime & you had your drug abuse & the occasional pill head robbing someone's house, but nothing like what goes on in inner city ghettos that are predominantly black. Has anyone even heard of such a thing anywhere?? I have not. And I'm talking dirt poor, filthy polluted environment living, uneducated baby having people here. Just white. So if there was a "white ghetto", that'd be it (and then some).
And look, I'm not saying it is a race thing. Its very likely a mix of elements, including social, environment & class (with possibly some instinctual elements). All I'm saying is I'm not sure I can buy the whole "its the environment, stupid" argument.
Like I said, I'm not gonna pretend I know what it is, but I know its not just those things.
One environmental factor that would be completely different between coal country in southern Appalachia and urban inner city communities would be population density. Larger population living in poverty within a more compact area will lead to a higher level of negative results. In fact, ill impacts of high density slums in urban cities is the main reason we have zoning ordinances today. If you compare an area like Jacksonville's Sin City, I believe it would provide a different statistical picture from a southern Appalachia community with the same ethnic makeup.
Like you, I don't know all the answers but I'm pretty good at smelling bullshit a mile away. Most of the racial related things discussed in Jax is full of flies, imo.
Define "heinous crimes", Stephen. Did you have people shooting each other on a regular basis in "whitetown"? I didn't. Crimes, yes absolutely. But what was the extent.
Yeah, I agree with that Lake. I was actually gonna edit my post about the compact living arrangement probably being a very big difference (I said environment, but should have elaborated). I'm sure if most of the poor white areas of the country weren't mostly rural, you'd see a lot higher crime rates & a difference of the types of crimes committed.
Quote from: stephendare on February 12, 2012, 11:52:36 AM
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr60/nvsr60_01.pdf#table15
this is the actual cdc report on unmarried women (an unrelated issue btw----just another bigoted way of attempting to conflate 'black' with 'immoral'.
If you check out the figures they can be read in a number of ways.
Check out the 'unmarried' children produced by 'white society'---to carry on the racist language of our house racist, RMHoward--- For teenage mothers, the rate of illegitimacy for white girls runs about 95%.
How can we convince 'White Society" to stop having so much birth out of wedlock?
Of course, thats not including the number of 'unwed' White women who simply abort their pregnancies quietly without ever having the baby.
For those rates, check here: http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0101.pdf
The only thing that I can ascertain from RMHOwards post is that he prefers more abortions if the result is that there are fewer black children with single mothers.
Which is pretty disgusting when you think about it.
Hey Steph! Maybe you could condense your 6 posts down to just one for us. If you concentrate, i am sure you coulf fit all your venom/namecalling into one, well-thought out post. Try, for us please. If you are a moderator/editor/whatever here on MetroJax, you really set a poor example. No one will accuse you of being fair and balanced, thats for sure. By the way, what is discusting to me is the sight of your avatar picture. Could you please change it for me? Reminds me of Carrot top. Is your hair really that putrid of a color. Just wonderin.
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No Club Aqua in Avondale.
Not yet.Why not,and why should it not be?
Quote from: Know Growth on February 13, 2012, 06:56:29 AM
No Club Aqua in Avondale.
Not yet.Why not,and why should it not be?
There appears to be only one Club Aqua in town. However, there are clubs and bars in Riverside/Avondale.
Quote from: stephendare on February 13, 2012, 11:26:01 AM
Jacksonville police this morning announced an arrest in Friday afternoon's shooting at Regency Square mall on Arlington Expressway.
Sunday police arrested Keith Anthony Brown of the 2300 block of McQuade Street on charges of attempted murder and possession of a firearm by a felon. They're still looking for the two others who were with him.
A woman working for the NYS Collection sunglasses kiosk near Belk was shot in the shoulder after at least one of three men leaving the building started shooting around lunchtime. Lt. Brian Richardson said an 18-year-old saw someone he had a dispute with and shot three times, hitting the woman instead.
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-02-13/story/jacksonville-police-make-arrest-regency-mall-shooting#ixzz1mHPaZTyn
Good! now they need to get those other two idiots.
Man, this idiot is only 18 and has quite the rap-sheet:
QuoteBrown has a juvenile felony record with 2009 arrests for armed trespassing and carrying a concealed weapon, plus one for burglary. He was also charged with possession of a weapon on school property in 2003 when he was 10, according to police.
Maybe this time he won't be allowed out of jail, I'm glad they're going for attempted murder, this coward deserves lethal injection.
Shame the cops didn't find marijuana on him.
They would have locked him up and thrown away the key.
I say, Eye for an Eye! (Too soon? ;D )
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on February 11, 2012, 02:39:37 PM
Massive, national poker room = jobs.
Really? I can't imagine any they provide would be especially high-quality jobs, but I suppose in our present situation anything is better than nothing.
As I understand it they make minimum wage and tips. No less than a server at a restaurant (which can be pretty good under the table).
These would also be considered skilled positions.
Quote from: thelakelander on February 13, 2012, 11:41:01 AM
Quote from: Know Growth on February 13, 2012, 06:56:29 AM
No Club Aqua in Avondale.
Not yet.Why not,and why should it not be?
There appears to be only one Club Aqua in town. However, there are clubs and bars in Riverside/Avondale.
Perfectly obtuse reply to perfectly placed obtuse wording.......
Quote from: finehoe on February 13, 2012, 05:52:48 PM
Really? I can't imagine any they provide would be especially high-quality jobs, but I suppose in our present situation anything is better than nothing.
Define 'high quality'?
If I love poker and am affoded the opportunity to deal hold-em for $12/hr + another (at a minimum based on observation at the Racetrack Rd poker room) $20-$30 / hr in tips..... a six hour shift doesn't sound too bad.
Quote from: Know Growth on February 13, 2012, 06:51:18 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on February 13, 2012, 11:41:01 AM
Quote from: Know Growth on February 13, 2012, 06:56:29 AM
No Club Aqua in Avondale.
Not yet.Why not,and why should it not be?
There appears to be only one Club Aqua in town. However, there are clubs and bars in Riverside/Avondale.
Perfectly obtuse reply to perfectly placed obtuse wording.......
LOL. I meant it that way. It was shorter and sweeter than a long drawn out answer regarding demographics, zoning, economics and their impact on the location of various types of businesses.
Of course.....MJ losing any perceived grasp,attention on many matters.
thanks north miami
Quote from: tufsu1 on February 13, 2012, 07:21:20 PM
thanks north miami
good boy Dude!!
Learn to sit tight....razor edge. good practice here.
Quote from: Timkin on February 11, 2012, 12:00:22 AM
Quote from: Jaxson on February 10, 2012, 11:55:35 PM
In the big picture, the evolution of our regional shopping centers is tied to the race issue. Remember Gateway Mall when it first opened? Look at Gateway today. Retail follows what is usually called 'white flight.'
+1
Gateway is almost empty now, is it not?
All the more reason to get behind the First Coast Beltway in order to accommodate inevitable,reasonable need.
Penney Farms Reinhold Memorial Mall
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on February 13, 2012, 07:00:58 PM
Define 'high quality'?
Something that doesn't depend on tips and provides benefits, for a start.
Who's to say that benefits won't be provided?
I don't find that working for tips to be a bad thing. Have you been to any of the poker rooms in town? Every big hand, the dealer usually gets tossed $5-$10, sometimes more, from the winner. So my assumption would be that those guys/gals are clocked in a $9-$10/hr, but are probably pulling $25-$30/hr in tips., say $20 after tipping out the bar, the hostesses, the cocktail waitresses, etc.. It's still decent money.
Yes working for tips can be decent money. I've done it. For some people at certain times in their lives, it is great. But an income that derives from tips is almost by definition one that is variable. Try getting a mortgage when your job is dependent on tip income. It's not easy.
Also, what kind of career path would a job like this have? For many people, that's not a concern. But I stand by my statement that the vast majority of jobs generated by such a facility would not be "high-quality". Any honest job is a good job, but you do not build a prosperous middle-class community when most of the jobs your city attracts are of this caliber.
So by your definition, "...an income that derives from tips is almost by definition one that is variable.", I would have to assume that anyone who's income is based on commisioned sales, realtors, brokers, insurance, etc, would fall into this same category - variable.
I know a lot of people who live fairly comfortably off of less than $25/hr, it shouldn't matter if the money is in thier check at the end of the week or if they pocket $150-$200/day in cash.
While this might not fit your definition of 'prosperous middle class' it may very well live up to the definition of high-quality by the people who are now back to work.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on February 15, 2012, 11:25:57 AM
it shouldn't matter if the money is in thier check at the end of the week or if they pocket $150-$200/day in cash.
Perhaps not, but most lenders have very strict standards on what sort of income they consider when writing a mortgage or other loans. And there's a reason for that: Because income derived from sources other than a salary is not considered as stable. Fair? Maybe not, but that's the way it is.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on February 15, 2012, 11:25:57 AM
So by your definition, "...an income that derives from tips is almost by definition one that is variable.", I would have to assume that anyone who's income is based on commisioned sales, realtors, brokers, insurance, etc, would fall into this same category - variable.
I know a lot of people who live fairly comfortably off of less than $25/hr, it shouldn't matter if the money is in thier check at the end of the week or if they pocket $150-$200/day in cash.
While this might not fit your definition of 'prosperous middle class' it may very well live up to the definition of high-quality by the people who are now back to work.
I agree. I make $17.34 and I love lovely actually.