Just heard it on the radio...
what? really?
About time. This had to be done for the Jags to rise above mediocrity.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7293624/jacksonville-jaguars-fire-longtime-coach-jack-del-rio-sources-say
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7293624/jacksonville-jaguars-fire-longtime-coach-jack-del-rio-sources-say
QuoteSources: Jags fire Jack Del RioEmailPrintComments1By Chris Mortensen
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Archive Jack Del Rio has been fired as the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, according to team sources.
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The Jaguars, who are 3-8 heading into a Monday night game with the San Diego Chargers, plan to announce the move at noon Tuesday.
Del Rio was the second head coach in the team's short history, replacing Tom Coughlin in 2003.
Defensive coordinator Mel Tucker is the leading candidate to take over the team on an interim basis.
Chris Mortensen is ESPN's senior NFL analyst.
Good for Mel. Though I'm happy for him, I hope he doesn't do TOO good. I'd like a proven head coach to step into the position full-time.
Glad to see Tucket get a shot. If the team has any success under him, he will be a serious candidate this offseason.
None of our local media sites are reporting this. MetroJacksonville beats them again!
Nothing on Jags website yet...
Quote from: stephendare on November 29, 2011, 08:30:00 AM
Interestingly, The Times Union is running the opposite story:
Wayne Weaver showed again Monday that he is one of the most patient owners in the NFL.
The Jaguars are 3-8 and eliminated from the AFC South race, but Weaver didn’t make a head-coaching change Monday.
There was much speculation that Weaver might make a move after the 20-13 loss to Houston. Two of the Jaguars’ next three games will be on national TV, against San Diego on Monday night and Dec. 15 at Atlanta. Del Rio’s status will likely be the subject of much speculation during those national telecasts.
Weaver declined to say Monday why he seems reluctant to make a change during the season.
Weaver’s only comment, through a team spokesman, was repeating the statement that he made after the loss on Sunday: “That’s for another day.â€
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2011-11-29/story/despite-speculation-jaguars-dont-make-any-coaching-change?cid=hp-justin#ixzz1f6JNSnbs
Did you see who wrote the article? It shouldn't surprise you that it was ass-backward. Now for Gene Frennette to backpedal and say that we should have kept JDR at least until the end of the season.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on November 29, 2011, 08:33:08 AM
Nothing on Jags website yet...
They won't post any changes until after a press conference or the 4:00 league deadline for making moves. It happens all the time with signings and releases.
Coughlin might be available... ;)
The Jags website won't have it until there isa press conference. Weird time to make the move, but it had to be done.
Quote from: Dapperdan on November 29, 2011, 08:45:01 AM
The Jags website won't have it until there isa press conference. Weird time to make the move, but it had to be done.
Maybe we can bring in Josh McDaniels and he can trade a few draft picks to Denver so we can have Tebow, too!! #sarcasm
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on November 29, 2011, 08:50:23 AM
Quote from: Dapperdan on November 29, 2011, 08:45:01 AM
The Jags website won't have it until there isa press conference. Weird time to make the move, but it had to be done.
Maybe we can bring in Josh McDaniels and he can trade a few draft picks to Denver so we can have Tebow, too!! #sarcasm
Not a bad idea.
Quote from: Dapperdan on November 29, 2011, 08:51:07 AM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on November 29, 2011, 08:50:23 AM
Quote from: Dapperdan on November 29, 2011, 08:45:01 AM
The Jags website won't have it until there isa press conference. Weird time to make the move, but it had to be done.
Maybe we can bring in Josh McDaniels and he can trade a few draft picks to Denver so we can have Tebow, too!! #sarcasm
Not a bad idea.
;D
Just CUT the Tebow crap right now. Please don't mention it ever again. Leave it in another thread. This thread is about Jack Del Rio and his pretty pink slip.
-Josh
Start your Head Coach wish list. I know everyone probably has Bill Cowher at the top of their lists. I wonder who's the hot offensive mind in the NFL these days though. I saw someone throw out the Saints' Offensive Coordinator's name this morning.
Quote from: wsansewjs on November 29, 2011, 08:57:10 AM
Just CUT the Tebow crap right now. Please don't mention it ever again. Leave it in another thread. This thread is about Jack Del Rio and his pretty pink slip.
-Josh
Sir yes sir. Even thpough both of us were being sarcastic, will do just as you ordered.
YAY!
FAN-tastic. This made my morning. Thanks, guys!
I still don't understand why you don't just wait until the end of the season. Before this year or the bye week at the latest.
Quote from: Dapperdan on November 29, 2011, 09:03:30 AM
I still don't understand why you don't just wait until the end of the season. Before this year or the bye week at the latest.
It maximizes the amount of time for the new coach to get acquainted with the team during the offseason.
-Josh
What a way to start my day! This season is done anyways, so the timing really does not matter. I was really upset and embarassed after Sundays game. This is such a relief.
But it can also create controversy. What if Mel Tucker has a winning record the rest of this season. Do you stay with him or go witha proven coach? To me you would have the same amount of time with a new coach either way.
Somewhere David Garrard is laughing his head off.
Quote from: Dapperdan on November 29, 2011, 09:09:02 AM
Somewhere David Garrard is laughing his head off.
Pretty sure he is rehabbing his back. Garrard should have been cut in the off season...
Quote from: Dapperdan on November 29, 2011, 09:03:30 AM
I still don't understand why you don't just wait until the end of the season. Before this year or the bye week at the latest.
I agree with you. Unless you are considering promoting a coordinator, I don't see the point in getting rid of the head coach either, especially when none of your coordinators, assitant coaches, training staff, scouts or GM have a contract through the end of this year.
That being said, I'm glad that Tucker is getting the interim, but I'm not sure how I feel about him becoming the head coach - he doesn't have any head-coaching experience and he's been on the defensive side of the ball his entire career. This is not a defensive game any longer, it's all about scoring points - so in that regard we need to bring in an offensive minded head coach.
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Mel Tucker
Defensive Coordinator
Now in his 15th year of coaching and his seventh in the NFL, Mel Tucker joined the Jaguars coaching staff on January 24, 2009. He is in his third season as defensive coordinator for the Jaguars.
Last year Tucker oversaw a defense that utilized eight different starting combinations in the first nine weeks. Just five players started all 16 games on defense, and nine different players made starts in the secondary over the course of the season. Despite the turnover, the defense improved in sack production, from 14 the year before to 26.
In 2009 Tucker’s defense saw 21 different players make starts including four rookies. Among those rookies were two 16-game starters who were drafted in the third round in cornerback Derek Cox and defensive tackle Terrance Knighton. The defensive unit had the same starting lineup in consecutive games only once in 2009.
Tucker coached for four seasons with the Cleveland Browns (2005-08), serving as defensive backs coach for three seasons before being promoted to defensive coordinator in 2008. Under Tucker’s guidance the Browns ranked fifth in the NFL from 2005-08 with 73 interceptions and allowed the fourth-fewest completions of 25-plus yards (78).
The 2008 Browns defense ranked 14th in NFL pass defense (204.6) and tied for third with 23 interceptions. The defense finished with 31 takeaways, tied for the third-most in the NFL. Tucker was responsible for the development of two young safeties in 2007 in Sean Jones and Brodney Pool, and two rookie cornerbacks who made an immediate impact. 2007 second-round pick Eric Wright tied for sixth in the NFL in 2008 with five interceptions while Jones had four interceptions.
In 2006 the Browns secondary was depleted by injuries, yet ranked 15th in the NFL in pass defense. The unit lost starters Daylon McCutcheon in training camp and Gary Baxter in week seven, and Leigh Bodden missed seven games. Jones and Daven Holly tied for the team lead with five interceptions apiece. In his first season with the Browns, Tucker’s secondary unit ranked fourth in the NFL in pass defense.
Prior to joining the Browns, Tucker spent eight seasons coaching on the collegiate level. He spent four seasons on Jim Tressel’s staff at Ohio State, coaching defensive backs and serving as co-defensive coordinator during the 2004 season. Two of Tucker’s Ohio State players, strong safeties Michael Doss and Will Allen, earned first-team All-America honors, while cornerback Chris Gamble was a second-team All-America selection.
Tucker, 39, began his coaching career at Michigan State as a graduate assistant under Nick Saban from 1997-98. He spent the 1999 season as defensive backs coach at Miami (Ohio) before serving in the same capacity at Louisiana State in 2000 under Saban.
Tucker was a standout basketball and football player at Cleveland Heights High School. He was a four-year letterman as a defensive back at the University of Wisconsin (1992-95), graduating in 1995 with a degree in agricultural business management. Tucker and his wife, Jo-Ellyn, have two sons, Joseph and Christian.
COACHING BACKGROUND
Michigan State 1997-98, Miami (Ohio) 1999, Louisiana State 2000, Ohio State 2001-04, Cleveland Browns 2005-08, Jacksonville Jaguars 2009-11.
Let's see..........he sold his house before the season. ........ he gets around $10million buy out on his contract....... I think Jack DelRio wasn't surprised and is laughing all the way to the bank.. ......
I guess that's why they want us all to buy a ticket. ........ to support the team, er...corporation.
How come "occupy" doesn't move to the stadium?
Yeah I hope the Jaguars go out and grab an offensive minded Head Coach. I'd hope that we could retain Mel, but I know it would suck to get promoted and then bounced back to being a coordinator. I think our defense will be fine next season. Our offense on the other hand is atrocious. Not only do we need more talent on that side of the ball, we need a better coaching staff for the offense.
Well Good Luck Jack.
Overstreet,
The Jags only want to upgrade the stadium every few years and they also want to have all the naming rights money instead of share with the city, which was the original agreement. That is only fair right, for this 'corporation'? Now as far as police men and firefighters, they need to give up their hard earned money so that we can have money available for HD screens and sound at the stadium.
I don't think it's fair of us to assume that because Tucker was a defensive coach his whole life, that he will have a conservative, defense-first philosphy. Obviously Del Rio did, but that's not dispositive.
Some former defensive coordinators have coached offensively prolific teams (Belichick in NE, Dungy in Indianapolis). Some former offensive coordinators with reputations for innovation have coached conservative, defense-oriented teams (Billick in Baltimore).
We do need a good mentor for Blaine, but not necessarily the head coach.
Quote from: comncense on November 29, 2011, 08:58:10 AM
Start your Head Coach wish list. I know everyone probably has Bill Cowher at the top of their lists.
Not me.
Cowher benefited from having the best defensive coordinator in NFL history at his side, and a very strong front office that has historically drafted well and excels at finding players who fit Pittsburgh's systems. How much of the Steelers' success can we really attribute to him?
I also fear signing the "proven winner!" expensive coaches who are not necessarily motivated or able to replicate their successes with their former teams after a few years out of the game. E.g., Ditka with the Saints.
Cowher also gave Kordell Stewart 85 second chances, had a very conservative offensive approach most years, and lost at least four AFC championship games at home. Despite the winning regular seasons, I've no doubt Jacksonville would have run out of patience with him quickly.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on November 29, 2011, 09:21:25 AM
I don't think it's fair of us to assume that because Tucker was a defensive coach his whole life, that he will have a conservative, defense-first philosphy. Obviously Del Rio did, but that's not dispositive.
Some former defensive coordinators have coached offensively prolific teams (Belichick in NE, Dungy in Indianapolis). Some former offensive coordinators with reputations for innovation have coached conservative, defense-oriented teams (Billick in Baltimore).
We do need a good mentor for Blaine, but not necessarily the head coach.
Belichick and Dungy also had the priviledge of being coordinators under two HOF head coaches in Parcells and Noll respectively. I think that has to account for a lot when it comes to learning the nuances of running a team.
No offense, but Tucker has had JDR & Romeo Crennel as his HC mentors.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on November 29, 2011, 09:26:19 AM
Quote from: comncense on November 29, 2011, 08:58:10 AM
Start your Head Coach wish list. I know everyone probably has Bill Cowher at the top of their lists.
Not me.
Cowher benefited from having the best defensive coordinator in NFL history at his side, and a very strong front office that has historically drafted well and excels at finding players who fit Pittsburgh's systems. How much of the Steelers' success can we really attribute to him?
I also fear signing the "proven winner!" expensive coaches who are not necessarily motivated or able to replicate their successes with their former teams after a few years out of the game. E.g., Ditka with the Saints.
Cowher also gave Kordell Stewart 85 second chances, had a very conservative offensive approach most years, and lost at least four AFC championship games at home. Despite the winning regular seasons, I've no doubt Jacksonville would have run out of patience with him quickly.
I don't think Cowher is coaching again. But if he does, the salary demands will higher than WW will pay.
And I do agree with what you're saying about him. He was known as a playoff choker until his last season in Pittsburgh. They had home field advantage every other year it seemed like and rarely took advantage of it.
Yeah I think a good coach surrounds himself with a great coaching staff, but I see your point about Cowher.
The problem with Cowher is that he'll want full control of personel. I want GS to stay where he's at for another 3-4 years. There's lots of potential in his picks and he's hitting a whole lot more than missing.
I really don't care for Gene. It's not even about his small school picks. One, I don't think you can put your focus on finding a person with a squeaky clean history above drafting talent. I get tired of hearing about 'character guys'. We have a bunch of character guys who aren't doing squat on this team as of yet. I just get nervous every NFL Draft as to how we are gonna f' up our draft pick. Additionally, Gene was one of the main people spouting the "We have trust in our WR core". Well we can see how that worked out for us.
^I think Gene's defensive picks show there's more to him than that.
Quote from: comncense on November 29, 2011, 09:51:20 AM
I really don't care for Gene. It's not even about his small school picks. One, I don't think you can put your focus on finding a person with a squeaky clean history above drafting talent. I get tired of hearing about 'character guys'. We have a bunch of character guys who aren't doing squat on this team as of yet. I just get nervous every NFL Draft as to how we are gonna f' up our draft pick. Additionally, Gene was one of the main people spouting the "We have trust in our WR core". Well we can see how that worked out for us.
His character guys are not totally defined by not getting into trouble - it's more about how they handled themselves on and off the field. Most of his picks were the captains of their team. Most have demonstrated a strong work ethic. Most have been the guys with something to prove. [Vic-mode] It's a crystal-ball business. There are no guarantees [/vic-mode] He's picking high-character guys based on performance, interviews and metrics, and I see that as a good thing. They're not necessarily 'choir boys', but they're definitely not going to quit on the team. Look how the team is still fighting at 3-8.... That says something to me, and with a little more focus on the offense, I think that winning is right around the corner.
I'm just saying I'd feel comfortable if the GM was making picks based on talent first. Of course you don't want to draft someone that has been in and out of jail, drug problems or something of that nature. I compare the Jaguars drafting with how the Orlando Magic draft. You can almost count on the Magic making some off the radar pick every year. We (The Jaguars) just seem to miss the target majority of the time in the draft.
Quote from: comncense on November 29, 2011, 09:51:20 AM
I really don't care for Gene. It's not even about his small school picks. One, I don't think you can put your focus on finding a person with a squeaky clean history above drafting talent. I get tired of hearing about 'character guys'. We have a bunch of character guys who aren't doing squat on this team as of yet. I just get nervous every NFL Draft as to how we are gonna f' up our draft pick. Additionally, Gene was one of the main people spouting the "We have trust in our WR core". Well we can see how that worked out for us.
He completely rebuilt the roster. He took the defense from one of the worst in the league to one of the best. His future is tied to the play of Gabbert. I have no doubt that WR will be the primary focus off this offseason. I just hope we somehow have a shot at Blackmon.
Quote from: comncense on November 29, 2011, 10:03:19 AM
I'm just saying I'd feel comfortable if the GM was making picks based on talent first. Of course you don't want to draft someone that has been in and out of jail, drug problems or something of that nature. I compare the Jaguars drafting with how the Orlando Magic draft. You can almost count on the Magic making some off the radar pick every year. We (The Jaguars) just seem to miss the target majority of the time in the draft.
I'll play. Go back and look at the '09 draft and give us your opinion on who we really missed on.
Quote from: comncense on November 29, 2011, 10:03:19 AM
I'm just saying I'd feel comfortable if the GM was making picks based on talent first. Of course you don't want to draft someone that has been in and out of jail, drug problems or something of that nature. I compare the Jaguars drafting with how the Orlando Magic draft. You can almost count on the Magic making some off the radar pick every year. We (The Jaguars) just seem to miss the target majority of the time in the draft.
Mel Kiper blasted Smith for taking Monroe over Crabtree but it sure looks like a good move now.
He got blasted for taking Alualu in the top 10 but he has been a damn good player since day one.
Is that USC job they were courting Del Rio with still open? I have a feeling Del Rio might be more successful in college than he has been here.
Quote from: Tacachale on November 29, 2011, 10:09:12 AM
Is that USC job they were courting Del Rio with still open? I have a feeling Del Rio might be more successful in college than he has been here.
Kiffin is doing a great job there. He isn't going anywhere.
Quote from: copperfiend on November 29, 2011, 10:10:30 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on November 29, 2011, 10:09:12 AM
Is that USC job they were courting Del Rio with still open? I have a feeling Del Rio might be more successful in college than he has been here.
Kiffin is doing a great job there. He isn't going anywhere.
How's Barkley's backup?
I know the name makes Jaguar fans cringe, but what about Jeff Fisher?
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on November 29, 2011, 10:06:53 AM
Quote from: comncense on November 29, 2011, 10:03:19 AM
I'm just saying I'd feel comfortable if the GM was making picks based on talent first. Of course you don't want to draft someone that has been in and out of jail, drug problems or something of that nature. I compare the Jaguars drafting with how the Orlando Magic draft. You can almost count on the Magic making some off the radar pick every year. We (The Jaguars) just seem to miss the target majority of the time in the draft.
I'll play. Go back and look at the '09 draft and give us your opinion on who we really missed on.
Umm B.J. Raji > Monroe (edit)
Quote from: Elwood on November 29, 2011, 10:21:50 AM
I know the name makes Jaguar fans cringe, but what about Jeff Fisher?
You just had to say it, didn't you... ;)
Quote from: comncense on November 29, 2011, 10:22:25 AM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on November 29, 2011, 10:06:53 AM
Quote from: comncense on November 29, 2011, 10:03:19 AM
I'm just saying I'd feel comfortable if the GM was making picks based on talent first. Of course you don't want to draft someone that has been in and out of jail, drug problems or something of that nature. I compare the Jaguars drafting with how the Orlando Magic draft. You can almost count on the Magic making some off the radar pick every year. We (The Jaguars) just seem to miss the target majority of the time in the draft.
I'll play. Go back and look at the '09 draft and give us your opinion on who we really missed on.
Umm B.J. Raji > Alualu
Alualu was 2010...
Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.
Yeah I meant Monroe. NRW asked about 09. B.J. Raji, Orakpo, Clay Matthews, Aaron Maybin, Josh Freeman, Brian Cushing... I would take all of them over Monroe. Not that he's garbage
I could see what you mean about Raji or Matthews or Orakpo, but Maybin over Monroe? Maybin's barely done anything in the league.
Also, we got Knighton in the 3rd in '09 and he has been Raji's equal.
Monroe was rated as high as 2nd on the boards and has played reasonably well, so even though some of those players taken after him have done a little better, I have a hard time seeing that as a terrible misfire. The real misfires in the first round of '09 were the two tackles who went ahead of Monroe, Jason Smith and Andre Smith. And Heyward-Bey, of course.
Also, at draft time those who complained about the Monroe pick were generally those mad that we didn't take Crabtree or, to a lesser extent, Harvin. Matthews and Orakpo exceeded most people's expectations.
How did this turn into a draft thread? LOL
Right off the bat, you picked out defensive players that all play in a 3-4 scheme except Cushing (until this year)
You can't really swap them out because they have different roles. Cushing had known drug issues coming out of college and has already sat a year for PEDs - another pop - he's done. Maybin had his first sacks of his career this past weekend. No one expected Matthews to be as good as he was, kinda why he was the 5th LB selected in the draft.
BAP v/s Needs Drafting. It all goes hand in hand. In '09 we were coming off of a defensive draft from '08 and it was about building our offense (need) so we drafted the BAP for that need - Eugene Monroe. He is performing as well as the better known names in his class - Andre Smith & Michael Oher. So if you rate him among the peers he was selected with, it was a hit. He's not a Jake Long or Tony Boselli, but those guys only come along once in a blue moon - and you have to be at the top of the draft to get them.
So now someone is saying that the team is being sold but will stay in Jax according to ESPN.
Quote from: comncense on November 29, 2011, 10:28:30 AM
Yeah I meant Monroe. NRW asked about 09. B.J. Raji, Orakpo, Clay Matthews, Aaron Maybin, Josh Freeman, Brian Cushing... I would take all of them over Monroe. Not that he's garbage
Monroe has been pretty good this year. Any struggles on the line have not been from his side. '
And he's a much better player than the two OT's taken ahead of him.
Aaron Maybin sucks. And Cushing has not been the same player since he got busted for PEDs.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on November 29, 2011, 10:39:08 AM
How did this turn into a draft thread? LOL
It happens. BTW, DD, you are always asking for national coverage.... Here ya' go!
Coach Fired. QB not up to par with peers. MNFootball with a team on the skids. You'll see so much Jags shit out there on ESPN and NFLN and USAToday than you can stand.
ESPN is also reporting that the Jaguars have been sold, but with a commitment to keep the team in Jacksonville. (This according to the TU on Facebook.)
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on November 29, 2011, 10:42:59 AM
He is performing as well as the better known names in his class - Andre Smith & Michael Oher. So if you rate him among the peers he was selected with, it was a hit. He's not a Jake Long or Tony Boselli, but those guys only come along once in a blue moon - and you have to be at the top of the draft to get them.
I'd say Monroe is performing better than those two...they are both playing RT, which is less demanding, and while I haven't seen much of Andre this year, Oher has been mistake-prone.
Quote from: Jimmy on November 29, 2011, 10:56:21 AM
ESPN is also reporting that the Jaguars have been sold, but with a commitment to keep the team in Jacksonville. (This according to the TU on Facebook.)
I was just on the TU, didnt see that. (yet anyways)
"Filed to ESPN: Jaguars employees were informed today that the team is being sold." https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter/status/141542982426955776
"So to recap: Jags fired their HC, extended their GM and are selling the team. Other than that, pretty quiet." https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter/status/141544906199007233
Quote from: duvaldude08 on November 29, 2011, 11:00:37 AM
I was just on the TU, didnt see that. (yet anyways)
Sorry, it wasn't the TU. It was a local broadcaster repeating the news from Adam Schefter at ESPN.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on November 29, 2011, 10:58:47 AM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on November 29, 2011, 10:42:59 AM
He is performing as well as the better known names in his class - Andre Smith & Michael Oher. So if you rate him among the peers he was selected with, it was a hit. He's not a Jake Long or Tony Boselli, but those guys only come along once in a blue moon - and you have to be at the top of the draft to get them.
I'd say Monroe is performing better than those two...they are both playing RT, which is less demanding, and while I haven't seen much of Andre this year, Oher has been mistake-prone.
I was just picking names that most people know. Andre has a weight and work ethic issue, and is one of the main reasons behind Dalton getting hit as much as he does while Oher was moved to the other side this year because he wasn't performing. I didn't feel it was relevant.
Words can't describe how delighted I am concerning Jack's departure; He has driven this franchise down the ground with his ineptness, not taking responsibility, highly questionable decision making etc. Weaver has finally had enough of it.
I don't understand the whole 'Afraid that Mel Tucker will do to good coaching the rest of the season' mentality; If Mel does a good job with the rest of our season, he should be the full time coach for next year, simple as that. People get WAY too caught up with 'the sexy name guy' Cowher, Fisher etc.
Via the TU: Shahid Khan will be buying the Jaguars. More details as they become available
Quote from: Jimmy on November 29, 2011, 11:06:08 AM
Via the TU: Shahid Khan will be buying the Jaguars. More details as they become available
UAE Jaguars?
UAE, lol...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahid_Khan
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LOL
wow. very interesting.
So will the team move to Dubai? :) Alot of things happening right now, kinda scary.
God I hope not. That will finish downtown off if the Jags leave :(
I don't think they are going anywhere ;)