Metro Jacksonville

Urban Thinking => Analysis => Topic started by: Shine on November 09, 2011, 07:46:01 AM

Poll
Question: What do you think we should be known as . . .
Option 1: Jacksonville, where Florida begins votes: 6
Option 2: Bold new city of the South votes: 12
Option 3: The River City votes: 16
Option 4: Other - note in comments votes: 11
Title: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Shine on November 09, 2011, 07:46:01 AM
With a new administration, we may be going down this road again soon.  Personally, I like the idea of "River City" - what's yours?
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: fsujax on November 09, 2011, 07:56:47 AM
City of Bridges.
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Post by: Tacachale on November 09, 2011, 08:51:30 AM
I'd be more concerned with changing those awful colors and the flag.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: BridgeTroll on November 09, 2011, 09:25:20 AM
Demolition Capitol of Florida?  8)
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Post by: billy on November 09, 2011, 09:27:58 AM
"What's black and white and redneck all over?"
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Post by: fsujax on November 09, 2011, 09:32:12 AM
"City of Biege"....haha
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Post by: buckethead on November 09, 2011, 09:34:18 AM
Jacksonville: Nice Roads!

or...

Keep on Driving!
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: peestandingup on November 09, 2011, 09:45:27 AM
Jacksonville: You like sprawl? Let's talk.

Jacksonville: What history?

Jacksonville: Where your dreams go to die. (<that's a personal fav)

Jacksonville: The biggest small town ever.

Thank you. I'll be here all day folks. 8)
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Bativac on November 09, 2011, 10:11:05 AM
Jacksonville: Gas up on your way to Orlando!

Jacksonville: Where Georgia Ends!
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Post by: duvaldude08 on November 09, 2011, 10:19:42 AM
Jacksonville: Are we still in Georgia?         ;D
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Post by: If_I_Loved_you on November 09, 2011, 10:45:08 AM
 :D Welcome but don't stay to long. :-X
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Non-RedNeck Westsider on November 09, 2011, 10:52:34 AM
Jacksonville - Oops!
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Dashing Dan on November 09, 2011, 11:25:27 AM
Quote from: Bativac on November 09, 2011, 10:11:05 AM
Jacksonville: Where Georgia Ends!
Brilliant !

But once again a slight to Nassau County, our Florida neighbor to the north.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: CG7 on November 09, 2011, 11:28:49 AM
The city that only Craig seems to Love!
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: duvaldude08 on November 09, 2011, 12:34:42 PM
Here it is guys:

" Jacksonville: Duuuvvvaaalllllllll !!!  "
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Debbie Thompson on November 09, 2011, 12:41:24 PM
Hey, let's extend the game to street names!  In Springfield, we could have:  Ionia Street could be Bulldozer Boulevard, and we could have Demolition Drive, Code Compliance Court, Rolling Fines Road, Special Master Street, Hijack History Highway, and Kiss it Goodbye Court.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: copperfiend on November 09, 2011, 01:25:52 PM
The current poll results are giving me the finger.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Dashing Dan on November 09, 2011, 01:36:06 PM
How about "Where Gators Eat (or Get Eaten By) Bulldogs"
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: drhandbook on November 09, 2011, 01:39:39 PM
(http://www.jaxhistory.com/tanzler-1968-a.JPG)

She has my vote.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Shine on November 09, 2011, 01:47:06 PM
When I was in the process of moving here in 1987, the Atlanta Constitution printed a feature article titled “Jacksonville, The City That Smells Like Rotten Eggs.”  This town has come a long way for the better. 

Like me, plenty of people came here and never went home.  That says something.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: KenFSU on November 09, 2011, 04:16:29 PM
Jacksonville: Where a 5th Grade Education makes you a Gator
Jacksonville: City of Parking Lots
Jacksonville: The Bold New Chain Restaurant Capital of the South
Jacksonville: A Murder a Day, or your Stay is on Us
Jacksonville: We Know We Suck
Jacksonville: Highest BMI to GPA Ratio in America!
Jacksonville: Highest Fireworks to Library Closing Ratio in the World!
Jacksonville: City of Rivers and Creeks (Just don't let the water touch you - you will die)
Jacksonville: Limp Bizkit is lying, They are from Orlando
Jacksonville: You know who else likes sidewalk dining Downtown? Satan.
Jacksonville: Feces on the Sidewalks, but not a Carriage in Sight
Jacksonville: I don't get it? Why are there so many books at the homeless shelter?
Jacksonville: Come Ride our Bum Mover!
Jacksonville: If the undertow at the Beach doesn't kill you, the police will!
Jacksonville: Home of the $350 Million Dollar Paper Mâché Courthouse
Jacksonville: The only city formerly run by Howdy Doody
Jacksonville: Speed Limit of 15 mph in the rain
Jacksonville: Where the local newspaper gives us the reading skills necessary to tackle Highlights Magazine
Jacksonville: Where Business Casual means a Tim Tebow visor and a t-shirt with a Trout on it
Jacksonville: Highest Chicken Wing to Median Salary Ratio in the South
Jacksonville: Home of the 45 mile round trip Errand
Jacksonville: If the bus is more than two hours late, your fare is on us
Jacksonville: Highest Supercuts to Organic Market ratio in America
Jacksonville: We don't want Macy's Anyway...
Jacksonville: I'd like to earn a higher salary, but I find the deep fryer intimidating
Jacksonville: Proudly supporting local businesses. As long as they're free. And it's not raining
Jacksonville: Where a Tim Tebow and Sarah Palin biography is considered a Home Library
Jacksonville: Proudly Endeavoring to Destroy more Historic Structures than the 1901 Fire
Jacksonville: Sh*t your pants on the banks of Hogans Creek, and no one will even notice the smell
Jacksonville: Two Barnes and Nobles simply aren't sustainable in a city with *only* one million people
Jacksonville: Where Barnes and Noble is that place where you thumb through Paula Dean magazine while you wait for your Fried Macaroni and quarter pound of Cheesecake next door
Jacksonville: Stop in and see our 18-25 population up close (note: they are both off on Sundays)

Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: I-10east on November 09, 2011, 04:22:09 PM
Why so many negative slogans? Typical Jacksonvillians. LOL. I never liked the very vague slogans the"River City" or "City of Bridges". Louisville, Cincinnati, New York City, and countless other U.S. cities can be a "River City"or "City of Bridges"; Not very defining, and original.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: KenFSU on November 09, 2011, 04:39:37 PM
Quote from: I-10east on November 09, 2011, 04:22:09 PM
Why so many negative slogans? Typical Jacksonvillians. LOL. I never liked the very vague slogans the"River City" or "City of Bridges". Louisville, Cincinnati, New York City, and countless other U.S. cities can be a "River City"or "City of Bridges"; Not very defining, and original.

It's tongue in cheek.

In all seriousness though, I think "City of Bridges" is probably the best choice, maybe the only one, at least for now. "The City with Everything" might be a decent name too. We have some great beaches, the river, a lot of parks, plenty of shopping, plenty of professional and semi-pro sports, a handful of great golf courses, etc.

I agree when you say the name *should* be defining and original, but sadly, that's the problem. I love the city, but there is nothing particularly defining or original about it, besides the bridges, and the things that nature can take credit for. The same argument comes up when people try to figure out what Jacksonville's signature food is. If it exists, it should be easy to come up with and it should have developed organically. Yes, the city does have some traces of local flavor here and there, but nowhere close to what it should have, considering the population size and massive natural resources around us. Not being negative, but it's the truth. We should be on par with a city like Seattle considering our location, history, and natural resources. Not looking up to Charleston or Charlotte. That's where the frustration comes from. In many ways, just thinking out louds, our Jags have been a bit of a microcosm of the city. All the pieces are in place, but botched execution, poor leadership, and apathy have constantly prevented that potential from being met.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: second_pancake on November 09, 2011, 04:45:39 PM
Wow, that
Quote from: drhandbook on November 09, 2011, 01:39:39 PM
(http://www.jaxhistory.com/tanzler-1968-a.JPG)

She has my vote.

Talk about getting an earful, lol.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: pwhitford on November 09, 2011, 05:03:57 PM
Jacksonville: I don't get it? Why are there so many books at the homeless shelter?

I laughed, then I cried.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: duvaldude08 on November 09, 2011, 05:06:17 PM
Quote from: I-10east on November 09, 2011, 04:22:09 PM
Why so many negative slogans? Typical Jacksonvillians. LOL. I never liked the very vague slogans the"River City" or "City of Bridges". Louisville, Cincinnati, New York City, and countless other U.S. cities can be a "River City"or "City of Bridges"; Not very defining, and original.

Its all in good fun. We all know they are good things about Jacksonville, but hey as residents is fun to joke about the negative. Now if an out of towner starts to crack funnies, I get in defense mode QUICK, LOL
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: north miami on November 09, 2011, 07:44:44 PM

Me thinks the very best places to reside are not so concerned with Official Slogan and in fact such place would guard against such.

Now that is the next direction.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: I-10east on November 10, 2011, 03:58:58 AM
Quote from: KenFSU on November 09, 2011, 04:39:37 PM
It's tongue in cheek.

Don't get me wrong, I thought that you were funny as hell! The ones that I especially liked were...

Jacksonville: Where a 5th Grade Education makes you a Gator.
Jacksonville: The Bold New Chain Restaurant Capital of the South.
Jacksonville: Where the local newspaper gives us the reading skills necessary to tackle Highlights Magazine.
Jacksonville: Home of the 45 mile round trip Errand.

LMAO
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: hightowerlover on November 10, 2011, 10:06:20 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-06-27-jacksonville-slogan_x.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-06-27-jacksonville-slogan_x.htm)

"Like Mayberry, Only Bigger"

"Giant Cockroach Capital of the South"

"Jacksonville, City of Lighted Bridges"

"City of Nature"

"Big City, USA"

"River City"

"Florida's Crown Jewel"

"Florida's North Star"

"Biggest Small Town in the USA"

"Redneck Heaven"

"Sun Gate City"

"The Bridge to the South"

"America's River City"

"America's Dream City"

"Jewel of the South"

"A Swell Place to Live"

"The City That Can"

"The Friendly City"

"Jacksonville Jumpin'"

"Spectacular by Nature"

"Magnificent by Nature"

"Where Opportunity Flows"

"Our Nature Will Astound You"

"Renaissance City"

"The City of New Life"

"It's Not That Bad"
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: KenFSU on November 10, 2011, 10:47:59 AM
I really dislike the names like "The Bridge to the South" or "Where Florida Begins."

Seems to imply that the city is nothing more than a transitory stop on the way to other places.

"Florida's North Star" is kind of catchy.

"Where Opportunity Flows," is kind of nice too, perhaps in a self-fulfilling prophecy type of way.

Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Debbie Thompson on November 10, 2011, 01:21:14 PM
Tim Deegan calls us "The River City by the Sea."  I kind of like that one.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: I-10east on November 10, 2011, 06:27:16 PM
Quote from: KenFSU on November 10, 2011, 10:47:59 AM
I really dislike the names like "The Bridge to the South" or "Where Florida Begins."

Seems to imply that the city is nothing more than a transitory stop on the way to other places.

"Florida's North Star" is kind of catchy.

"Where Opportunity Flows," is kind of nice too, perhaps in a self-fulfilling prophecy type of way.



I don't understand why some people are saying the whole "Bridge to the South" thing; That sounds like we are on the Mason-Dixon line, or in Northern Kentucky somewhere. Last time I checked we are many, many, many miles into the South.

I'm not overly wild about "Where FL begins", but I don't necessarily think that it means "a whistle stop to Orlando", or any other FL city, but where we are located at, IMO it's a positive sounding slogan. I still like 'Where FL begins'. hella better than the vague, and boring references to bridges, and the river. BTW, I picked Bold City on the poll.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: coredumped on November 10, 2011, 08:10:45 PM
As of right now, The River City is "winning." I don't like this one, it's not really recognizable, so many towns are by rivers. People could mistake us for Pittsburgh!
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Dashing Dan on November 10, 2011, 08:19:29 PM
How about

"The Top City in Florida"
"Not Just for Kids" or
"No Annoying Mice"
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Dashing Dan on November 10, 2011, 08:27:42 PM
Quote from: coredumped on November 10, 2011, 08:10:45 PM
As of right now, The River City is "winning." I don't like this one, it's not really recognizable, so many towns are by rivers. People could mistake us for Pittsburgh!
Besides being known as a river city, Pittsburgh is also known for its bridges.  So how about

"Pittsburgh with Better Weather"?



Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Mr. Charleston on November 10, 2011, 08:34:49 PM
I'm kind of partial to "Baja Georgia"
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Dashing Dan on November 10, 2011, 09:45:49 PM
Quote from: Mr. Charleston on November 10, 2011, 08:34:49 PM
I'm kind of partial to "Baja Georgia"
My favorite so far.  I wish I'd thought of it
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Fallen Buckeye on November 10, 2011, 10:19:24 PM
When someone said "City of Bridges" my mind went straight to Pittsburgh. I think "River City" by itself makes me think of a city on a more well known river like the Mississippi or Ohio or Missouri. I like "River City by the Sea" highlights our natural highlights and our urban amenities (or aspirations thereof). "Florida's North Star" is kinda catchy, too.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: I-10east on November 10, 2011, 10:37:53 PM
I totally agree with Buckeye, and Core, there are SO many river/bridges cities, Memphis, New Orleans, Pittsburgh etc etc etc; I always though that was an extremely vague slogan; Why don't we just call ourselves 'The Beach City'(sarcasm)? I'm not digging the 'Reno wannabe' slogan 'The biggest little city', or whatever. I hope that was just a joke, and not foreal, because I heard a coupla peeps say it. Baja Georgia was hilarious. LOL
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: JeffreyS on November 11, 2011, 11:30:45 AM
I have always loved "Bold New City of the South".  I fear it may be more appropriate to say "Jacksonville: Pedestrians worth 80 points".
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Ralph W on November 11, 2011, 12:04:39 PM
You can't have a new slogan. Bold New City of the South must stay. The Sheriff's office doesn't have the budget to mint new badges for all its employees.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: RiversideLoki on November 11, 2011, 12:11:30 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on November 11, 2011, 11:30:45 AM
I have always loved "Bold New City of the South".  I fear it may be more appropriate to say "Jacksonville: Pedestrians worth 80 points".

There's a points system...

Typical Able-Bodied Pedestrian ............... 3
Little Old Lady (with raised cane) ........... 2
Little Old Couple ............................ 3
Pregnant Woman ............................... 2
Baby Carriage (empty) ........................ 1
Baby Carriage (with baby in it) .............. 3
Bicyclists ................................... 6
Tourists ..................................... 1
Harvard Jock ................................ 10
Absent-Minded MIT Professor .................. 2
Policeman .................................... 8
Mayor ....................................... 10
Governor .................................... 15
Anyone carrying three or more packages ....... 2
(for each additional package, add 1/2)
Gas Station Attendant ........................ 5
Groups of three or more people ............... 6
(for each additional person, add 1
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: KenFSU on November 11, 2011, 12:40:56 PM
"Bold City" sounds a little odd to me.

Like a spicy flavor of Chex Mix or something.

Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: billy on November 11, 2011, 01:53:29 PM
Anyone have an audio clip of "Jacksonville, Jacksonville, oh what a wonderful town",
or a lyric sheet? I think this was a chanmer commercial from the 60's (sung by a woman from Miami).
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: billy on November 11, 2011, 01:56:10 PM
excuse me, Chamber of Commerce...(correction)
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Dashing Dan on November 11, 2011, 02:13:50 PM
In the not really serious category, how about "The Muffin Hanging Over the Bible Belt" ? 

That gets to our values and our lack of walkability at the same time.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Shine on November 21, 2011, 08:03:53 AM
A lot of good discussion here.  I think it ultimately comes down to what it does for you.  I think the idea of a “River City” could help pro environmental policy for the river â€" one of my biases.  “Bold, new city” shows respect and allusion to important history regarding the consolidation effort.  Like most people, I am not from here and Jacksonville has made a lot of positive moves in the past 25 years, but when it comes to identity â€" its not only missed the mark â€" but has diminished some of the things that made it unique.  Being able to drink a cup of Starbucks and eat a Big Mac at a shopping mall will not make you a special place in the eyes of the public.  A lot of growth to become the city of “Generica” â€" less the city of Jacksonville.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Garden guy on November 21, 2011, 08:07:46 AM
How about "Jacksonville...good food..great river..and a right wing nut church on every corner..come one come all"...or...."Jacksoonville...the greatest city with and empty river"...
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: north miami on November 21, 2011, 08:33:59 AM
Quote from: coredumped on November 10, 2011, 08:10:45 PM
As of right now, The River City is "winning." I don't like this one, it's not really recognizable, so many towns are by rivers. People could mistake us for Pittsburgh!

Reference to McCoy Creek as "Emerald Necklace" simply mimics the title given to many waterway restoration efforts scattered throughout the nation.

River City by the Sea resonates.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: CG7 on November 26, 2011, 05:34:12 PM
                                     "Naturally Cosmopolitan"
Symphony, hiking, museums, kayaking, beautiful historic neighborhoods
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: I-10east on November 26, 2011, 06:19:15 PM
Here's some U.S. cities that either goes officially by the slogan 'The River City' or has a very STRONG affiliation with the term (The cities with an asterisk are the ones the goes by 'The River City') I'm most likely leaving some out, and no PIT isn't one.

Chattanooga *
Huntington, WV *
Richmond *
Memphis*
Sacramento*
St Louis
Wichita
Portland, OR
Montgomery

VERY Original. 'River City by the Sea' sounds a lil' better, but I notice that only Tim Deegan says that; It must not be catching on, and people will eventually revert back to the ultra-boring 'The River City' I'm all for the 'River City' having a strong influence in  Jax, just like it is in St Louie;  The official slogan??? NO, it's too vague.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: JeffreyS on December 20, 2011, 12:36:33 PM
Can we add

"Jacksonville where the City Council really love Wendy's burgers".
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: duvaldude08 on December 20, 2011, 01:08:13 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on December 20, 2011, 12:36:33 PM
Can we add

"Jacksonville where the City Council really love Wendy's burgers".


Okay Jeffrey explain this one  :D
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: JeffreyS on December 20, 2011, 02:33:38 PM
That's what they(actually a developer lobbyist) said we could build if we passed the Mobility Fee Moratorium.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: duvaldude08 on December 20, 2011, 02:51:54 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on December 20, 2011, 02:33:38 PM
That's what they(actually a developer lobbyist) said we could build if we passed the Mobility Fee Moratorium.

Ha!  ;D
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: PeeJayEss on December 20, 2011, 03:36:56 PM
"Rednecks figured out how to build skyscrapers"

I heard on the radio something like this: "Jacksonville: The Friendliness of a Small Town with the Murder Rate of a Large City." Messed up, but funny.

City of Bridges is, in my estimation, ridiculous. There really aren't that many bridges, and the ones we have aren't particularly impressive. Most cities are on a river, and most of them have more (and far more impressive) bridges than Jacksonville.

River City by the Sea ain't bad. River City by itself...boring. There's just one river, and its not particularly impressive recreationally or commercially (downtown). Maybe someday, but not today.

There really is a lot of great food in this town (and a fairly high level of obesity relative to the recreational potential given the city's natural features and climate). How about "Food Town"?

I think Bold New City of the South is a great one and should be the slogan...all that needs to happen is for Jax to start actually being bold and new again.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: dougskiles on December 20, 2011, 07:55:51 PM
I vote for no slogan.  I'm a little tired of buzz words and cute phrases.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: danem on December 20, 2011, 08:21:34 PM
Jacksonville: The City That Hates Itself

I'd like to see "Reborn City of the South" be a slogan that's a reality.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: ubben on December 20, 2011, 10:03:02 PM
'Jacksonville. City of whiners who don't know how good they have it.'
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: mtraininjax on December 20, 2011, 10:03:31 PM
Last Gas stop before the hell known as I-4.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Ocklawaha on December 21, 2011, 09:03:21 AM
Quote from: PeeJayEss on December 20, 2011, 03:36:56 PM
River City by the Sea ain't bad. River City by itself...boring. There's just one river, and its not particularly impressive recreationally or commercially (downtown). Maybe someday, but not today.

Just one river? WTF? Hells bells, we have 'creeks' the size of the rivers in most cities, not to mention 7+ rivers of our own. Not recreationally impressive? Some of the nations largest kayak, canoe, sailing, boating or yachting clubs. We also lay claim to one of the worlds oldest premium yacht builders.

Actually I was thinking, "Jacksonville TRANSIT FREI Logistik zentrum."

OCKLAWAHA
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: PeeJayEss on December 21, 2011, 11:11:33 AM
Quote from: Ocklawaha on December 21, 2011, 09:03:21 AM
Just one river? WTF? Hells bells, we have 'creeks' the size of the rivers in most cities, not to mention 7+ rivers of our own. Not recreationally impressive? Some of the nations largest kayak, canoe, sailing, boating or yachting clubs. We also lay claim to one of the worlds oldest premium yacht builders.

Actually I was thinking, "Jacksonville TRANSIT FREI Logistik zentrum."

OCKLAWAHA

"Creek City" then. You don't see a whole lot of kayaking OR sailing downtown. A true "River City" would have a place where I can put my kayak in the water among its tallest buildings. Sure, some people use it, but compare it to other cities with water. Jacksonvillains are not on average an aquatic people.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Tacachale on December 21, 2011, 11:17:18 AM
^I think two of our major economic drivers, the port and the Navy, get pretty good use out of the St. Johns.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: I-10east on December 21, 2011, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: PeeJayEss on December 21, 2011, 11:11:33 AM
Jacksonvillains are not on average an aquatic people.

I don't think that any major metro has a very high ratio of 'aquatic people'. Not every Joe Blow owns a boat or kayak. IMO Jax has a pretty decent number of boat owners; Heckscher Drive, and the Intercoastal are some places that comes to mind.

I guess that you are not a fan of the Dames Point Bridge; IMO it's a stretch to say 'most' river cities has 'far more impressive' bridges than it, I would agree with you if you said 'some river cities'.

On a side note, IMO cable stayed bridges with just one row of support towers in the center of the span are ugly, like that thing in Boston built not that long ago; IMO two rows of cables on each side like the DPB looks more classic like a traditional suspension bridge.

Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: urbaknight on December 21, 2011, 12:57:37 PM
JACKSONVILLE:  America's largest suburb.

JACKSONVILLE: Not for pedestrians.

JACKSONVILLE: Pedestrians NOT welcome!

JACKSONVILLE: You have the right to remain silent!

JACKSONVILLE: If we can't fix it, then it must not really be broken.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: north miami on December 21, 2011, 07:05:52 PM

First step is to drop "Jacksonville".......change it.

This is not me talking here........this is something my wife has complained of.The name is "ugly".
My wife is a Jacksonville native with deep love for the town,area-her Daddy was centrally involved in Duval government,key Consolidation matters so no need to marginalize.......her insightful lament has long been,simply.........the name of our town is "ugly".

What do you think??
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: I-10east on December 21, 2011, 07:12:13 PM
^^^ I vote nay. The name Jacksonville is here to stay.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: acme54321 on December 21, 2011, 07:19:25 PM
Quote from: north miami on December 21, 2011, 07:05:52 PM
What do you think??

I think you're ugly!!

Seriously though... aweful idea.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: danem on December 21, 2011, 07:29:41 PM
Quote from: north miami on December 21, 2011, 07:05:52 PM

First step is to drop "Jacksonville".......change it.

This is not me talking here........this is something my wife has complained of.The name is "ugly".
My wife is a Jacksonville native with deep love for the town,area-her Daddy was centrally involved in Duval government,key Consolidation matters so no need to marginalize.......her insightful lament has long been,simply.........the name of our town is "ugly".

What do you think??

I think if we tried that, Andrew Jackson would come back from the dead and shoot us all.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Demosthenes on December 21, 2011, 07:49:36 PM
I dont think Andrew Jackson would give a rats ass. He wasnt even from Florida, and never visited the area, even when he was the military Governor of Florida.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Ocklawaha on December 21, 2011, 08:43:40 PM
Quote from: I-10east on December 21, 2011, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: PeeJayEss on December 21, 2011, 11:11:33 AM
Jacksonvillains are not on average an aquatic people.

I don't think that any major metro has a very high ratio of 'aquatic people'. Not every Joe Blow owns a boat or kayak. IMO Jax has a pretty decent number of boat owners; Heckscher Drive, and the Intercoastal are some places that comes to mind.

I agree, we can dissect PeeJayEss's statements and it is perfectly logical why downtown is void of kayaks, canoes, and sail boats.

SAILBOATS - REALLY? If you've ever sailed you would understand that by nature of 3 bridges in a very restriced space, tacking INTO an east wind and coming about, maybe toss in some swift currents... You wouldn't want to try that downtown as you'll need some big water as you zigzag down the river. As a result, cross the Buckman or Shand's Bridge and you'll see sailboats everywhere. Several other local rivers are not sailboat friendly due to the deeper draft of sailing vessels.

CANOES - These are simply not 'open water boats.' While some are specifically made for large lakes (Boundary Waters Canoe Wilderness) unless you own a pretty specialized (tripper)boat you don't want to tangle with a 3 mile wide river with white caps, and thus your not likely to pass through downtown.

KAYAKS - Paddled, sailed, or powered, many of these boats ARE made for large open spaces, sea kayaks, and touring boats with their knife entries and 'V' hull,  give them great secondary stability (tipping). Slight keel shapes help them easily track in a straight line, longer boats for open water, and very short squat boats for play in the rough stuff but the small boats surrender speed for maneuvering. Hogans Creek is becoming a popular put in for the Kayak crowd.

None of these craft belong in a shipping channel such as that which exists downstream from the Main Street Bridge to Mayport.  A quick crossing, or a paddle near one or the other shores is safer. Playing in a shipping channel can be deadly, I have a good friend that had such a near death experience in a heavy fog just off Duluth Harbor. He said early morning fishing out at a channel marker was excellent, so he paddled out and tied off, drifting into the channel and fishing in low visibility. Anyone who has ever been on the water knows how it plays tricks on sounds. Well it seems Denny was almost lulled to sleep by a distant muffled thump, thump, thump... All at once he looked up at the bow wave coming off of a 600' long Great Lakes Ore Boat. To this day  he'll take an oath that he paddled so fast he breezed by every power boat in the harbor.

Charlotte and Atlanta can only wish they had our water sports scene.

OCKLAWAHA

 



Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Ocklawaha on December 21, 2011, 08:54:34 PM
Quote from: Demosthenes on December 21, 2011, 07:49:36 PM
I dont think Andrew Jackson would give a rats ass. He wasnt even from Florida, and never visited the area, even when he was the military Governor of Florida.

We really don't know that he was never here, this was a major crossing and ferry point in the early day's of the river. His march took him roughly from Tallahassee to St. Augustine so we know he crossed at least twice. Never in Florida? I dunno, in 1821 Baton Rouge was in FLORIDA. Andy led the boys to New Orleans for the famous showdown in 1814, shocking the world by completely routing the British Army. He either floated down the Big Muddy or he was indeed in Florida. He WAS in St. Augustine and well, since that name is taken, maybe Perre Gustave Toutant Beauregard could lend us his name... 'Beauregard, Florida,' has a ring to it! Oh and YES he was here.

OCKLAWAHA
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: JeffreyS on December 21, 2011, 10:13:44 PM
Port Caroline is the best name the area has ever had.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: PeeJayEss on December 27, 2011, 02:27:03 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on December 21, 2011, 11:17:18 AM
^I think two of our major economic drivers, the port and the Navy, get pretty good use out of the St. Johns.

And neither is located downtown, or a focal point for visitors to the city. I didn't say there was no activity on the St. Johns river, just little (relative to other cities) in Downtown Jacksonville, which should be the subject of any re-branding efforts.

Quote from: I-10east on December 21, 2011, 12:18:45 PM
I guess that you are not a fan of the Dames Point Bridge; IMO it's a stretch to say 'most' river cities has 'far more impressive' bridges than it, I would agree with you if you said 'some river cities'.

On a side note, IMO cable stayed bridges with just one row of support towers in the center of the span are ugly, like that thing in Boston built not that long ago; IMO two rows of cables on each side like the DPB looks more classic like a traditional suspension bridge.

I think the Dames Point is a beautiful and impressive bridge. I don't think it is near downtown. I think, relative to other cities located on rivers, the bridges of Jacksonville are not particularly impressive in either quantity or quality. 6 bridges in the vicinity of downtown, 4 with incredibly short spans, 2 with no architectural value, 1 that is basically a pier (rail). And 8 or 9 in the entire county is not a lot. There are other bridges in Duval, no doubt, but they aren't major (crossing inlets/creeks/intracoastal/other roads/etc).

The Zakim Bridge (Boston) is much more impressive in engineering terms, and suspension and cable-stayed bridges are made to serve different purposes, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Both were designed by the same company, and the Zakim has won some awards, but both are pretty incredible (and The Dames Point was built pretty early in the history of cable-stayed).

Quote from: Ocklawaha on December 21, 2011, 08:43:40 PM
I agree, we can dissect PeeJayEss's statements and it is perfectly logical why downtown is void of kayaks, canoes, and sail boats.

Charlotte and Atlanta can only wish they had our water sports scene.

OCKLAWAHA


Your words in bold above make the exact point I was trying to. I understand the reasons for those activities not occurring downtown. I was simply stating, as you seem to agree, that they do not occur downtown in high volume. So I don't think "River City" is good enough.

I'm not saying anything bad about Jacksonville here, just that some of these slogan options are ill-fitting. I think if you can think of a single city that is more fitting of the name you are trying to assign, then the name is not good enough. River City and Bridge City are just too easy to come up with more appropriate cities for. Being better than 2 cities at something (Charlotte and Atlanta in the example above) is not sufficient, in my mind, to use it as your claim to fame.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: danem on December 27, 2011, 07:33:11 PM
Quote from: Ocklawaha on December 21, 2011, 08:54:34 PM
Quote from: Demosthenes on December 21, 2011, 07:49:36 PM
I dont think Andrew Jackson would give a rats ass. He wasnt even from Florida, and never visited the area, even when he was the military Governor of Florida.

We really don't know that he was never here, this was a major crossing and ferry point in the early day's of the river. His march took him roughly from Tallahassee to St. Augustine so we know he crossed at least twice. Never in Florida? I dunno, in 1821 Baton Rouge was in FLORIDA. Andy led the boys to New Orleans for the famous showdown in 1814, shocking the world by completely routing the British Army. He either floated down the Big Muddy or he was indeed in Florida. He WAS in St. Augustine and well, since that name is taken, maybe Perre Gustave Toutant Beauregard could lend us his name... 'Beauregard, Florida,' has a ring to it! Oh and YES he was here.

OCKLAWAHA

I'm amused someone responded to my joke. I mostly said it because at the same time someone suggested changing the name, I was reading this: http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_the-5-most-badass-presidents-all-time.html (http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_the-5-most-badass-presidents-all-time.html) Imagine, a city named after the president who beat an would-be assassin with his cane!  ;D
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: BrooklynSouth on December 28, 2011, 11:51:29 AM
Quote from: danem on December 27, 2011, 07:33:11 PM
Quote from: Ocklawaha on December 21, 2011, 08:54:34 PM
Quote from: Demosthenes on December 21, 2011, 07:49:36 PM
I dont think Andrew Jackson would give a rats ass. He wasnt even from Florida, and never visited the area, even when he was the military Governor of Florida.

We really don't know that he was never here, this was a major crossing and ferry point in the early day's of the river. His march took him roughly from Tallahassee to St. Augustine so we know he crossed at least twice. Never in Florida? I dunno, in 1821 Baton Rouge was in FLORIDA. Andy led the boys to New Orleans for the famous showdown in 1814, shocking the world by completely routing the British Army. He either floated down the Big Muddy or he was indeed in Florida. He WAS in St. Augustine and well, since that name is taken, maybe Perre Gustave Toutant Beauregard could lend us his name... 'Beauregard, Florida,' has a ring to it! Oh and YES he was here.

OCKLAWAHA

I'm amused someone responded to my joke. I mostly said it because at the same time someone suggested changing the name, I was reading this: http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_the-5-most-badass-presidents-all-time.html (http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_the-5-most-badass-presidents-all-time.html) Imagine, a city named after the president who beat an would-be assassin with his cane!  ;D

I like "River City", but it doesn't totally capture how wild and natural the St John's river is with all the marshes and creeks and the ocean. "Where Georgia Ends" is actually historically appropriate. The railroad, the Victorian symbol of civilization, just ended here for a long time. People coming south from Georgia once had to get off of the train and get onto a steamboat down the St. Johns. Jacksonville and its river, for good and bad, have always been wild and natural. Before the bulkheads were put in, the tides were so violent that it was difficult to even get a boat from the ocean into the St. Johns river. Not like the Hudson and East rivers in New York City, that formed a gentle, natural harbor. And no thanks to all the river water, mosquito-borne Yellow Fever almost wiped our city off the map in 1888!

As a non-native, I see that the people born in greater Jacksonville are proud of the wildness of Jacksonville in the way Australians or Texans are of their home cities. When I read about the people that established the banks, built the mansions of The Row in Riverside, and built the first skyscrapers downtown, I see that they were all born in New York or Chicago or Boston. People who moved here from a northern city (like me) want coffee shops, streetcars, and sidewalks. I don't know how to fish or hunt and I don't own a boat or a pickup truck. The people who were born here are descended from the tough cracker cowboys, longshoremen, and lumbermen that gave this city a reason to exist. I think there will always be northerner city-dwellers moving to Jacksonville to support the urban movement, but I don't think it will ever be easy or popular.

Andrew Jackson was called "Old Hickory" because he was so tough. How about we call our city "Hickville" in his honor? ;) Am I wrong to think that native Jacksonvillians have little interest in urbanism?

Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: JaxNative68 on December 28, 2011, 01:34:48 PM
i am puzzled as to how looking for a city slogan has turned into a renaming of the city campaign.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: patrickharrisart on April 04, 2012, 10:31:27 AM
I found all the negatives extremely funny!! But on a serious note I have two:

Floridas Next Hot City

or Bridge City to the New Florida

I am from Miami and lived in St. Petersburg for 10 years, been here 6 years and was extremely confused as to why folks can't get this going? I boat the river have grown to love the city and only wish code enforcement existed at least a little... times are changin and like the mayor said time waits for no one

patrickharrisart.com (http://patrickharrisart.com)

to see my poster for the city digital. :)
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: JaxJerry on April 04, 2012, 02:06:18 PM
or, Home of the Homeless (see Hemming park thread), Home of the chain restaurant (see Mellow Mushroom thread), or, wait for it....The Home Of Tim Tebow!
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: aclchampion on April 04, 2012, 02:18:26 PM
Patrick I think you will discover rather quickly that there are folks on this list who wish Code Enforcement didn't exist AT ALL.  ;) But welcome aboard..
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Timkin on April 04, 2012, 05:23:04 PM
Quote from: aclchampion on April 04, 2012, 02:18:26 PM
Patrick I think you will discover rather quickly that there are folks on this list who wish Code Enforcement didn't exist AT ALL.  ;) But welcome aboard..

*raises hand   ;)
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: movedsouth on April 04, 2012, 08:58:40 PM
"embrace sprawl"
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Know Growth on April 04, 2012, 11:47:01 PM
Quote from: Shine on November 09, 2011, 01:47:06 PM
When I was in the process of moving here in 1987, the Atlanta Constitution printed a feature article titled “Jacksonville, The City That Smells Like Rotten Eggs.”  This town has come a long way for the better. 

Like me, plenty of people came here and never went home.  That says something.

You will run for Public Office Shine.
Title: Re: Jacksonville’s Official Slogan?
Post by: Know Growth on April 04, 2012, 11:53:53 PM


Jacksonville!.......where Miami Begins!!


Try that on some billboards.........get your azz kicked.
so quaint,'dem billboards.