Does anybody have any photos of Downtown during the 1980's? Specifically I'm looking for pictures of when the CSX building had the Seaboard Coast Line and Seaboard Systems logo on the building.
1981 aerial
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If you are able to get hold of a copy of Old Hickory's Town, An Illustrated History of Jacksonville by James Robertson Ward (1982/1983), there are some pictures of the CSX building with its early 80s logos on it. Not close up, but as part of skyline panoramics. I think the Seaboard Coast Line and the Family Lines logos appear in the book.
I have the book and can scan you the pictures if you aren't able to locate it. I've seen it at Chamblin's downtown before.
There's also a CSX history book that came out in the late 80s that features several shots of downtown in the 80s and I know that there are some pictures of the older logos on the building. I don't recall the name of the book, but I've seen it repeatedly at model train shows, and I think I saw it at Chamblin's once also.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on September 26, 2011, 06:41:02 PM
If you are able to get hold of a copy of Old Hickory's Town, An Illustrated History of Jacksonville by James Robertson Ward (1982/1983), there are some pictures of the CSX building with its early 80s logos on it. Not close up, but as part of skyline panoramics. I think the Seaboard Coast Line and the Family Lines logos appear in the book.
I have the book and can scan you the pictures if you aren't able to locate it. I've seen it at Chamblin's downtown before.
There's also a CSX history book that came out in the late 80s that features several shots of downtown in the 80s and I know that there are some pictures of the older logos on the building. I don't recall the name of the book, but I've seen it repeatedly at model train shows, and I think I saw it at Chamblin's once also.
That is exactly the type of thing I'm looking for. I'll check at Chamblins, thanks!
Amazon also has a couple of copies listed for under $20 on Old Hickory's Town. Didn't spot the CSX book on there at first glance, though. There's another CSX book on there, but more recent. As I recall, the logo could be seen more clearly in the pictures in the CSX book.
http://www.flarr.com/csxt.htm
Seaboard System logo on the building in a photo on this page.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on September 26, 2011, 07:09:10 PM
http://www.flarr.com/csxt.htm
Seaboard System logo on the building in a photo on this page.
I would love to have a good quality photo of the building with that logo. I believe the Seaboard Coast Line was up there in two different styles as well.
Didn't it have "Atlantic Coast Line" on it before "Seaboard"?
Quote from: Charles Hunter on September 26, 2011, 11:18:03 PM
Didn't it have "Atlantic Coast Line" on it before "Seaboard"?
ACL (Atlantic Coast Line) built the building, I believe in 1960. It was the prominent building downtown for years. In 1967 Seaboard Air Line Railroad merged with Atlantic Coast Line to form Seaboard Coast Line, and the signage was updated. In 1982 Seaboard Coast Line merged with Lousiville and Nashville Railroad to form Seaboard System and the signage was updated then. In 1986 Chessie and Seaboard Systems merged to create CSX and the building has had some form of "CSX" logo since then.
Unfortunately for my purposes, the 1970s and 80's were a terrible time for downtown Jax and there are not many photos. Tons of photos from 1960-prior, and tons of photos from 1990s to today.
That's too bad because we could still learn lessons from the bad old days of downtown...
1960's.
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-4830-atlantic-coast-railroad-1960.jpg)
(http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-4852-atlantic-coast-railroad-night.jpg)
Nice pics, Lunican!
i saw CSX do that flag display one time, it was really cool. Wish they would do it every 4th of July!
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on September 26, 2011, 06:41:02 PM
There's also a CSX history book that came out in the late 80s that features several shots of downtown in the 80s and I know that there are some pictures of the older logos on the building. I don't recall the name of the book, but I've seen it repeatedly at model train shows, and I think I saw it at Chamblin's once also.
You might be refering to the book "Rails 'Neath the Palms," Darwin Publications, Burbank Ca. The downtown library has a copy on the 4Th floor, Florida Collection. The book has several shots of the Atlantic Coast Line/SCL/FL/SS/CSX building and the railroads many facilities. Don't know why I know this, I just do...LOL. OCKLAWAHA ;)
Yes, Ock, I think that is the one. Somehow I thought you might know that :)
Quote from: nbenton on September 26, 2011, 07:22:17 PM
I would love to have a good quality photo of the building with that logo. I believe the Seaboard Coast Line was up there in two different styles as well.
I am almost certain you're right but have not yet found a photo with a different SCL logo from the one Lake posted.
Quote from: nbenton on September 27, 2011, 01:59:55 AM
Unfortunately for my purposes, the 1970s and 80's were a terrible time for downtown Jax and there are not many photos. Tons of photos from 1960-prior, and tons of photos from 1990s to today.
You'll find Old Hickory's Town valuable for that reason. There are a number of 80s street scenes and panoramics included in the very front and back. This includes several clear shots of the BB&T building with its Atlantic Bank logo; a couple of street scenes around Hemming Plaza and looking down Laura from that general area; one of an early model of the Landing; one of the Florida National/First Union/Wachovia building on Water under construction; and several where you can see the Southern Bell/AT&T building and 550 Water under construction. There's one panoramic where you can see the old Heard building after partial demolition and at least once shot where the Sears store is still up. And there's at least two pictures where you can make out the Holiday Inn signage on the Robert Meyer hotel.
Oh, and the BARNETT sign and operating digital clock are still up on the old Barnett building.
I should add, I think there were two editions of the book, one that ran in 1982 and an update in 1985 that added some text and photos at the end. If you get the 1982 print you won't see the Landing model or the Florida National building construction shot.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on September 27, 2011, 11:48:15 AM
Several where you can see the Southern Bell/AT&T building and 550 Water under construction.
Oh, and the BARNETT sign and operating digital clock are still up on the old Barnett building.
http://207.156.20.146/photographiccollection/displayphoto.php?item_id=233621
http://www.floridamemory.com/items/show/15965
http://www.floridamemory.com/items/show/15970
http://www.floridamemory.com/items/show/15973
Those are great, KenFSU! I love that you can see the Holiday Inn logo on the Robert Meyer in the first shot and the McCrory's in the second.
I wish the CSX building would "do" the American flag again. What are they, anti-American or something? :)
I pulled both "Old Hickory's Town" and "Rail beneath the Palms" and while there are tons of great pictures, there only a very very few of the HQ building. These are the only ones legible. Again, none with the Seaboard Systems logo. I was happy though to get a great quality copy of the Seaboard Coast Line logo.
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(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk100/j0765/seaboard1.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk100/j0765/seaboard2.jpg)
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