This is great news.
Via the Daily Record
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/downtowntoday.php?dt_date=2011-08-02
now we just need the aquarium at the shipyards
Quote from: hightowerlover on August 02, 2011, 11:52:12 AM
now we just need the aquarium at the shipyards
An aquarium would be cool . I would definately take my niece and nephew. Thats a very family oriented attraction that would be great for DT
I really wonder how many people would come to Downtown for that. I guess it might be interesting for families with young children though. However isn't a Carrier one of those things that if you've seen it once, how much is it going to change the next time you consider going? An aquarium would be great though, just seems that would have a wider appeal.
Good hope it happens.
I hope they can pull this off. They are right about it being noticeable from I-95. We saw the one in Mobile and decided to get off the interstate and check it out.
I think the ship musem would draw alot of vistors. If I were visting Jacksonville, I would stop in and check it out just because. Tourist will check out anything. Thats part of being a tourist. You just go explore.
IF this project becomes a reality...I think the ship should be lit with lights at night like the main street bridge. It attracts the eyes.
Quote from: fsujax on August 02, 2011, 01:49:39 PM
I hope they can pull this off. They are right about it being noticeable from I-95. We saw the one in Mobile and decided to get off the interstate and check it out.
It's so small you probably would have a difficult time seeing it from I-95 with the Acosta Bridge blocking it. I wish these guys the best but I don't think the ship will be a huge draw alone. It's one of those things that really needs to be clustered with some other uses to send more people its way. Btw, I wonder how they are going to make money off this ship?
Charleston's Patriot's Point is a major attraction and it barely breaks even, mainly because they haven't done the maintenance that they should have been doing. Btw, they also have a golf course to generate revenue that they use for the Yorktown's annual costs.
I'm not opposed to the musuem as long as public money is not used. I have my doubts at this point. They haven't raised ANYWHERE near the money needed for this endeavour and three sentences inserted into the last legislation about the Adams that essentially opens the door for public money worries me.
But let's be honest
QuoteBean said the group estimated attendance at 120,000 visitors per year with an economic impact of more than $3 million.
120,000 visitors is a pretty inflated number no matter which way you slice it then double your slices. The convention center drew 147,889 visitors in 2009. All galleries and museums in aggregate in all of the core drew 243,607 in 2009. Metro Park drew 151,500 in 2009.
And this is a little disengenious
QuoteThe Adams is at the Philadelphia Navy Yard and the association wants to raise $9 million to bring the 437-foot warship to Jacksonville as a floating museum and tourist attraction.
So the number went from $50 million to $9 million in less than a week? I know gas prices went down last week but, what happened to that cost estimate?
We've been down this road with the Saratoga before. Let's be a little more cautious this time and learn from the mistakes of the past.
I don't think it will draw 120,000 visitors, but I really think this will be successful.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 02, 2011, 05:06:21 PM
It's so small you probably would have a difficult time seeing it from I-95 with the Acosta Bridge blocking it. I wish these guys the best but I don't think the ship will be a huge draw alone. It's one of those things that really needs to be clustered with some other uses to send more people its way. Btw, I wonder how they are going to make money off this ship?
Charleston's Patriot's Point is a major attraction and it barely breaks even, mainly because they haven't done the maintenance that they should have been doing. Btw, they also have a golf course to generate revenue that they use for the Yorktown's annual costs.
I agree. I was in Baltimore a few years back and they had a submarine on the harbor you could tour. It was right downtown next to the aquarium, the Hard Rock Cafe and down the steet from the baseball and football stadiums.
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Quote from: hightowerlover on August 02, 2011, 11:52:12 AM
now we just need the aquarium at the shipyards
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how can you kids not like the idea ov an aquarium? aquariums are awesome and we don't have one.
We want Jax Beach to be Miami Beach but not an aquarium that might actually give people a reason to come downtown.
I guess folks on this board know something about aquariums that Baltimore, Chicago, Atlanta, Tampa and Monterey Bay clearly don't know.
QuoteI guess folks on this board know something about aquariums that Baltimore, Chicago, Atlanta, Tampa and Monterey Bay clearly don't know.
We don't have Arthur Blank writing a huge check for an aquarium here. That's pretty much all I need to know.
I don't think anyone said they wanted Jax Beach to be Miami Beach. However, it wouldn't hurt to have Miami Beach's walkability in Jax Beach (or DT for that matter).
QUOTE: "At a pier yet to be contructed."
WTF???????
The Shipyards would not work for this??
Please, this is what I have been asking for for years. Add a submarine and a replica of the Sapce Shuttle and
.......................WHAM.................... We are bringing in folks from all over the SouthEast to downtown, Year round!!
I like the idea of a river front Jacksonville ship museum, but I'm a little pessimistic. I'm no expert, but both Navy museums on the Delaware River struggle: Independence Seaport Museum @ Penn's Landing in Philadelphia; and the USS New Jersey directly across the river in Camden. In fact, ADM Dewey's Spanish American War flagship, USS Olympia will be a reef soon if no one claims her. Parris Island, SC is currently raising money. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/historic-warship-in-philadelphia-gets-patch-to-shore-up-damaged-hull-while-it-waits-for-owner/2011/07/27/gIQA1PwncI_story.html)
The Jacksonville location will be much better (and scenic) than the Penn's Landing museum, but I find it hard to believe that it can do much better financially. Philadelphia and Jacksonville aren't really in the same league as far as tourism goes. However, if it's going to happen, why not take the USS Olympia too?! Charles F. Adams would have to be towed from Philadelphia anyways...might as well tow both at the same time. The Charles F. Adams is only slightly larger, so neither would dwarf the other.
P.S. I drive by the moth-balled ships in Philadelphia on my way to the airport frequently, and I would guess $9million is a pretty optimistic amount to turn it into a museum...especially since the article above suggests the Olympia requires $10million in repairs and it's already a museum.
Quote from: fieldafm on August 02, 2011, 05:57:47 PM
QuoteI guess folks on this board know something about aquariums that Baltimore, Chicago, Atlanta, Tampa and Monterey Bay clearly don't know.
We don't have Arthur Blank writing a huge check for an aquarium here. That's pretty much all I need to know.
exactly
Quote from: fieldafm on August 02, 2011, 05:17:09 PM
I'm not opposed to the musuem as long as public money is not used. I have my doubts at this point. They haven't raised ANYWHERE near the money needed for this endeavour and three sentences inserted into the last legislation about the Adams that essentially opens the door for public money worries me.
But let's be honest
QuoteBean said the group estimated attendance at 120,000 visitors per year with an economic impact of more than $3 million.
120,000 visitors is a pretty inflated number no matter which way you slice it then double your slices. The convention center drew 147,889 visitors in 2009. All galleries and museums in aggregate in all of the core drew 243,607 in 2009. Metro Park drew 151,500 in 2009.
And this is a little disengenious
QuoteThe Adams is at the Philadelphia Navy Yard and the association wants to raise $9 million to bring the 437-foot warship to Jacksonville as a floating museum and tourist attraction.
So the number went from $50 million to $9 million in less than a week? I know gas prices went down last week but, what happened to that cost estimate?
We've been down this road with the Saratoga before. Let's be a little more cautious this time and learn from the mistakes of the past.
+1
The initial resolution for support was in Waterways.
2010-675 is the legislation. Was not in Waterways.
Quote from: MusicMan on August 02, 2011, 07:47:39 PM
QUOTE: "At a pier yet to be contructed."
WTF???????
The Shipyards would not work for this??
Please, this is what I have been asking for for years. Add a submarine and a replica of the Sapce Shuttle and
.......................WHAM.................... We are bringing in folks from all over the SouthEast to downtown, Year round!!
Agreed, the only thing I don't like about this is the location. The Maritime Museum and the giftshop are both at the landing, I think the Pier that Noone always talks about would be the best location. You're not going to see it from the Fuller Warren bridge You've got the railroad truss and the Acosta in the way, you're barely going to see it from the Acosta. Plus, there's nothing else there to complement the ship museum.
Quote from: blandman on August 02, 2011, 08:21:17 PM
I like the idea of a river front Jacksonville ship museum, but I'm a little pessimistic. I'm no expert, but both Navy museums on the Delaware River struggle: Independence Seaport Museum @ Penn's Landing in Philadelphia; and the USS New Jersey directly across the river in Camden. In fact, ADM Dewey's Spanish American War flagship, USS Olympia will be a reef soon if no one claims her. Parris Island, SC is currently raising money. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/historic-warship-in-philadelphia-gets-patch-to-shore-up-damaged-hull-while-it-waits-for-owner/2011/07/27/gIQA1PwncI_story.html)
The Jacksonville location will be much better (and scenic) than the Penn's Landing museum, but I find it hard to believe that it can do much better financially. Philadelphia and Jacksonville aren't really in the same league as far as tourism goes. However, if it's going to happen, why not take the USS Olympia too?! Charles F. Adams would have to be towed from Philadelphia anyways...might as well tow both at the same time. The Charles F. Adams is only slightly larger, so neither would dwarf the other.
P.S. I drive by the moth-balled ships in Philadelphia on my way to the airport frequently, and I would guess $9million is a pretty optimistic amount to turn it into a museum...especially since the article above suggests the Olympia requires $10million in repairs and it's already a museum.
I just visited the USS New Jersey this past sunday, they get over 250,000 visitors per year, Penn's Landing does pertty well too. However, I'd love to take the USS Olympia! And I don't care if public money is used for this project. If the money can't be raised I say, let's do it. I'd rather see tax money be used for something historical and worthwile instead of wasting it all on road wideing without sidewalks, isolated subdivisions and stripmalls without speedbumps.