It seems they have begun the real demolition TODAY!
http://www.myspringfield.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=941&start=40
What are they going to build there?
Quote from: 02roadking on July 06, 2011, 05:37:18 PM
It seems they have begun the real demolition TODAY!
http://www.myspringfield.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=941&start=40
Fantastic
Quote from: iMarvin on July 06, 2011, 05:43:33 PM
What are they going to build there?
Drug store and other retail and the parking garage will stay.
Yeaaaaaaaa bring it down!!!!! :D
I ll probably need to seek counseling to get over my grief of losing this dump .... NOT ;)
I stayed in Arlington for three years, and coming DT everyday to go to work I had pass that dump! I am glad to see it going away!!!!
It is really too bad that it was left to deterioration and vandalism. But glad demolition is moving forward. It is long past time for the PVI to be HISTORY
To me it will always and forever be the "Heart of Jacksonville" Hotel and Lounge; had some fiery, steamy nights in that thing for 2 decades or more!
"HU"
Great news.
Some of the suggestions on myspringfield for retail on the site are ridiculous. Williams Sonoma, Apple Store, Ron Jon :o LOL
Oh Ron Jon... A surf shop in Downtown.. now that is original. but a bit of a drive from the beach .
While many are celebrating the demotion of this structure, I am sad. This really represents many lost opportunities, of forgotten projects that could have helped the commercial corridor here in Springfield. It represents the legacy of those in Springfield who continually sought demolition after demolition rather than preservation and restoration. I am glad though that this site will not become the empty debris filled parking lot so many seemed to have wanted. Part of it will remain and will grow to serve a positive purpose.
I'm excited for this building to finally come down, as it has only been hindering the area for years. I'm also excited about what is next and what can be achieved on this site. Development on this site will affect the downtown core and Springfield, so it will be interesting to see what happens.
The TU also wrote an article about the demolition:
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-07-06/story/downtown-park-view-inn-coming-down-redevelopment-next
Agree with the above post. It is a shame that a prior development idea for the place, never materialized. As does many vacant buildings, this one sat unused for far too long. Vandalism and deterioration took its toll. Had it been revitilized, I doubt anyone would want it to be torn down, but it is currently beyond the eyesore stage, and I am glad it is being dismantled. Hopefully something will replace it , and we wont have to look at a partial building until it is finally brought down as well. Hopefully something new will take its place.
As far as I'm concerned, this is only a partial demolition and the structure is being put to a new and better use. I think it's a decent example of utilizing an existing structure as opposed to completely clearing off a site and dreaming that something better materializes one day.
I don't champion demolition. Ever. The Park View Inn in its heyday was quite lovely. I love looking at the pictures and postcards. The rooftop pool and garden was beautiful. It's unfortunate it was not protected from the elements and restored into a hotel, condos, something. It is what it is. I went by to "grab something" (i.e. a block) but they were still working at 8:30 p.m.
Having observed a 2-story residential demoliton from beginning to end take place on Ionia, it is a long and slow process.
Personally, I won't attend any kind of celebratory party that has been mentioned on other blogs. Rather I will quitely say good-bye to a building abandoned and forgotten and terribly hated.
Quote“The garage was deemed stable,†according to Robert Vergnolle Jr., project manager of the Park View Inn project. “It served as the foundation for the rest of the hotel.â€
The parking that will be kept includes two stories above ground, plus an underground level.
“The building was built to support cars,†said Brenda Boydston, executive director of the Springfield Preservation and Revitalization Council. “It could support an entertainment venue and housing.â€
But according to Vergnolle, the most likely scenario is a combination of parking with retail stores along the Main Street facade.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-07-06/story/downtown-park-view-inn-coming-down-redevelopment-next
Quote from: iloveionia on July 06, 2011, 09:09:27 PM
I don't champion demolition. Ever. The Park View Inn in its heyday was quite lovely. I love looking at the pictures and postcards. The rooftop pool and garden was beautiful. It's unfortunate it was not protected from the elements and restored into a hotel, condos, something. It is what it is. I went by to "grab something" (i.e. a block) but they were still working at 8:30 p.m.
Having observed a 2-story residential demoliton from beginning to end take place on Ionia, it is a long and slow process.
Personally, I won't attend any kind of celebratory party that has been mentioned on other blogs. Rather I will quitely say good-bye to a building abandoned and forgotten and terribly hated.
The postcard pictures I have seen of it when it was the Heart of Jacksonville Hotel depict a really beautiful chapter for the building. It is unfortunate that it was not preserved over the years, and followed suit of most of the other Hotels in downtown.
Quote from: JeffreyS on July 06, 2011, 05:55:05 PM
Quote from: iMarvin on July 06, 2011, 05:43:33 PM
What are they going to build there?
Drug store and other retail and the parking garage will stay.
Thanks. Does anyone have renderings?
Here it is
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-dec-the-park-view-pavilion-coming-soon
i hope they follow through on their revelopment plans and not just leave it as an empty parking garage. The place has been a terrible eyesore for far too long.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on July 06, 2011, 11:16:07 PM
Here it is
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-dec-the-park-view-pavilion-coming-soon
Looks nice :)
Has there been any news of any retail or is it all awaiting the parking garage to be finished before any reatil makes commitments?
I was told in a thread a few weeks ago that it will include a CVS.
Quote from: heights unknown on July 06, 2011, 06:59:49 PM
To me it will always and forever be the "Heart of Jacksonville" Hotel and Lounge; had some fiery, steamy nights in that thing for 2 decades or more!
"HU"
Funny you call it that. My family owned and operated a Heart of Charleston Motel during the mid-late 60's thru the early 80's near Market St.
It was really cool as a kid, hanging out in g'mas penthouse, using the pool, sitting in the card room watching the old guys do thier old guy thing and generally running amock in a bit of history that I would really like to have for myself today. Knowing what I do today of my family's history, I can only imagine the Cosa Nostra types that were hanging around - very Goodfellas'ish. I believe that one was demo'd in the late 80's / early '90's
I found it so hard to believe that no one tried to refurbish the property for the Super Bowl. They could have made most of their money back on gouging people for rooms and parties that week.
They did. Around 2004, a client of mine, looked at demolishing the property and building a highrise apartment tower on the site, which would have included a Walgreens on the corner. He ended up walking after getting concerned about ground contamination.
Quote from: iloveionia on July 06, 2011, 09:09:27 PM
I don't champion demolition. Ever. The Park View Inn in its heyday was quite lovely. I love looking at the pictures and postcards. The rooftop pool and garden was beautiful. It's unfortunate it was not protected from the elements and restored into a hotel, condos, something. It is what it is. I went by to "grab something" (i.e. a block) but they were still working at 8:30 p.m.
Having observed a 2-story residential demoliton from beginning to end take place on Ionia, it is a long and slow process.
Personally, I won't attend any kind of celebratory party that has been mentioned on other blogs. Rather I will quitely say good-bye to a building abandoned and forgotten and terribly hated.
+quite a large number. thank you. i'll miss it, and i'm sad that i never managed to get into it (well, not since it closed, anyway).
Quote from: Dapperdan on July 07, 2011, 09:03:58 AM
Has there been any news of any retail or is it all awaiting the parking garage to be finished before any reatil makes commitments?
According the the FTU, the project manager just said "the most likely scenario is a combination of parking with retail stores along the Main Street facade." Doesn't sound like a firm commitment on retail to me.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-07-06/story/downtown-jacksonvilles-park-view-inn-coming-down-redevelopment-next#ixzz1RSFF01Yo
Quote from: heights unknown on July 06, 2011, 06:59:49 PM
To me it will always and forever be the "Heart of Jacksonville" Hotel and Lounge; had some fiery, steamy nights in that thing for 2 decades or more!
"HU"
thats........um nevermind
^^ I have friend who has had some experiences as well LOL He told me a few stories tonight LMAO But I think the park view closing also had a positive effect on confederate park. The park was known for prostitution (women and transsexuals). They would pick their men up at the park and take them back to the hotel. I Noticed since the park view has closed, the prostitution seems non existent. (or they just relocated) On my way to the pearl one night I actually seen a cop parked across the street from the park. its good to see this area get cleaned up.
Are they taking down the garage too? Maybe I'm confused as to what was considered the garage but from the looks of it, the whole thing is being taken down.
^^The garage is staying.
The garage is staying. You can see it pretty well in this image:
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Development/Urban-Construction-July11/i-93vtBv5/0/L/P1480150-L.jpg)
Ah, I thought it went over further than that and that part of it had already been taken down.
I have to hand it to the demolition company...they are getting it down pretty rapidly. Went by there Friday and was stunned. I also thought they had elected to demolish it. Too bad , as with many buildings it went into ruin. But it will be refreshing to see anything new replace it and have life.
The plan was never to demolish the entire building. The project has always involved taking out the hotel rooms and keeping the garage, which will be used to provide parking for the new development's retail. Imo, it's a pretty smart thing to do, considering the cost of building structured parking from scratch. However, i'm interested to see what they plan to do to make the parking garage look better than what it does today.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/1116671687_ApyAi-M.jpg)
Judging from the project's renderings it appears the plan is also to make the garage larger than what it is today.
The only thing is...via the daily records, the owners stated after the Demo, we will not see any action on the site for almost a year. with hopes to have everything complete about 2 years after that.....
Well... Demoing the hotel part is a good start and if the garage has to wait a while before the development , maybe a coat of paint would make it cosmetically appealing until the new development begins. Either way , the blighted hotel needed to go.
Quote from: Timkin on July 18, 2011, 12:34:09 AM
Well... Demoing the hotel part is a good start and if the garage has to wait a while before the development , maybe a coat of paint would make it cosmetically appealing until the new development begins. Either way , the blighted hotel needed to go.
Definately! Just tearing down the towers has made the site easy on the eyes.
According to Mr. Van Winkle, if I remember correctly from the community meeting, the facade is also being removed from the garage during demo. That alone should make it look better.
I hope a new garage facade will be added as a part of this phase 1. If not, what will be left won't look good.
We rode by the old Claude Nolan building through Confederate Park yesterday, there was water gushing down the NE corner of the annex built onto the back. There is a major leak coming out of that thing from somewhere up high, and no it wasn't rain water or anything like that. That building is in rough shape.
Its a shame.. I hope the CNC Building is spared and rehabbed for some future use .
Quote from: duvaldude08 on July 17, 2011, 07:08:29 PM
The only thing is...via the daily records, the owners stated after the Demo, we will not see any action on the site for almost a year. with hopes to have everything complete about 2 years after that.....
Just like the library, nothing will happen until some major, credit tenants are signed up. I hope it's soon though!!
I took some pictures on Tuesday, July 19:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2270308559932.2134120.1315165725&l=98b1b8b88a&type=1
Got those , Jaxson. good pics. they are getting it down really quick. Too bad there is nothing architecturally significant that could have been spared from the building.
Thanks, Timkin!
Quote from: Jaxson on July 20, 2011, 04:01:39 PM
I took some pictures on Tuesday, July 19:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2270308559932.2134120.1315165725&l=98b1b8b88a&type=1
Those pics are great! Even the park looks good. Have they started on the playground and restroom renovations yet? Its shame a how bad hogans creek looks. Even in black and white it looks sick.
Thanks, DuvalDude! I did not see any major renovations, but would like to know more...
Quote from: Ethylene on July 25, 2011, 03:54:06 PM
Would it be out of the realm of possibility to include a movie theater on the Park View Inn property? Can anyone else visualize that prospect?
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Quote from: Noone on July 26, 2011, 12:43:14 AM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on July 20, 2011, 08:58:58 AM
All of you are still thinking inside the box - literally
I say there needs to be an open-air, drive in theater on top of one of the several parking garages downtown. All you have to provide is a retractable screen, some concessions and a projector. Easy. No remodeling, no new building. And something both nostaglic yet innovative for the city.
Interesting idea.
There is still the talk of the creation and takeover of an Independent agency taking over parking revenue Downtown. There are city subsidized garages that are guaranteed a profit by MPS Metropolitan Parking Solutions. If a private entity wants to try then let them go for it.
There may be a demand or maybe not.
If they want to try then let them guarantee the 8% taxpayer return. Build the retractable screen. Will there be port o lets set up in the corner? Are there restrooms in these garages? Just asking. Where else is this done?
Wind, Rain, Heat,
If not a city owned garage a private one.
Thus I inquired, why not at the Park View property? Ample parking, existing garage, connectivity etc etc! No one addressed my question. ???
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There's no money in it. Putting a movie theater at the Park View Inn or any downtown site would be a money losing venture without heavy public subsidies. A private entity would get more ROI on their investment by turning it in to stacks of $1 bills and burning it with a wild night at Wackos.
Quote from: thelakelander on July 26, 2011, 03:13:43 PM
There's no money in it. Putting a movie theater at the Park View Inn or any downtown site would be a money losing venture without heavy public subsidies.
Maybe MPS should get into the movie business as well. ;)
Quote from: thelakelander on July 26, 2011, 03:13:43 PM
There's no money in it. Putting a movie theater at the Park View Inn or any downtown site would be a money losing venture without heavy public subsidies. A private entity would get more ROI on their investment by turning it in to stacks of $1 bills and burning it with a wild night at Wackos.
Ha, ha, nevermind, okay, b~a~d idea! Maybe when the world is perfect! :-*