1534 Oak Street Breaks Ground
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On Monday, Insetta Family Properties' broke ground on their latest project in Riverside. Their groundbreaking eliminates the last remaining vacant lot on Margaret Street between Five Points and the St. John's River
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http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-jun-1534-oak-street-breaks-ground
Projects like these make me so jealous of Riverside. How can some areas have things so right and Downtown get things so wrong. I'm sure things in Riverside don't always go perfectly, but in comparison to Downtown... It's like night and day.
I love it. That corner of Riverside has become the poster child of how to redevelop a historic neighborhood. The only betterment would be to up the floor count by 3-5 to include a residential component, however, I fully understand why they didn't include it.
Glad to see the new building. Hate to see Chew leave Downtown.
Quote from: comncense on June 28, 2011, 07:37:33 AM
Projects like these make me so jealous of Riverside. How can some areas have things so right and Downtown get things so wrong. I'm sure things in Riverside don't always go perfectly, but in comparison to Downtown... It's like night and day.
Its unreal. This whole city is taking off......
Quote from: hillary supporter on June 28, 2011, 08:42:46 AM
Quote from: comncense on June 28, 2011, 07:37:33 AM
Projects like these make me so jealous of Riverside. How can some areas have things so right and Downtown get things so wrong. I'm sure things in Riverside don't always go perfectly, but in comparison to Downtown... It's like night and day.
Its unreal. This whole city is taking off......
I agree Hilary. Things have been slow going, but I feel the city as a whole is finally moving. Alot of these projects, including this one, The trio and many others, has been in the making for some years now.
I would have liked the project to be taller as well, but they were already running into trouble with their current size. Even though this is in the Urban Transition Area, it is adjacent to a historic district that isn't used to this kind of development. I think that the best thing that this project can do for the neighborhood is succeed. If this development is successful, it will prove to developers and the neighborhood that dense and walkable development can survive in Riverside. I'm sure we'll start to see more mid-density infill projects start to pop up in the development pipeline.
I hope the lounge on the roof doesn't run into the noise complaints that other Riverside night ventures have been plagued with, we need an open air venue for groovin.
^This was something discussed during LUZ hearings on this project. They are limited to 10PM and 12AM (Friday/Saturday) for live music. Given how Orsay's lounge is (nice place, but not a club open until 2AM), I wouldn't expect this to be a problem.
Thanks for info Steve!
do you guys have a link to the old renderings?
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,9434.0.html
This is from the article Joey put up a while ago. Metrojax did a cover story on it, but I'm not sure the title.
I love it. Good work by all. Can't wait to see that baby go vertical.
Excited for this project to start building. Its a unique looking building, and will add another element to Riverside. I agree with the above postings that downtown could learn a lot from Riverside.
Very cool use of the space. I hope this succeeds.
As someone else said, it will be sad to see Chew vacating downtown, though.
I love the rendering of the building and the addition of Chew to the neighborhood... I'm a little confused how 11 parking spaces is going to be adequate though. I lived on the corner of Herschel & Margaret and dealt with the parking issue there first hand... adding a great restaurant like this could make things considerably worse.
Shwaz,
Because of its location its pretty muchin walking distance. I think that was the whole purpose was to make it "walkable". That could be why there is so little parking.
I love it bravo. Yeah most of the places we go to there we park at 5 pts and walk.
A large public garage at Post and Oak would be a solution I'd consider.
Until the streetcar is operational, the bus routes are a viable option, or we implement complete streets on a large scale, garages will be the band aids to alleviate our parking pains.
For the cost of a decent sized parking garage, you could probably get a mile or more of streetcar. Thus, if funding is a concern for both, you're better off biting the bullet and going streetcar from the start.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on June 28, 2011, 10:17:37 AM
Shwaz,
Because of its location its pretty muchin walking distance. I think that was the whole purpose was to make it "walkable". That could be why there is so little parking.
Walkable isn't a universal solution... and trust me as I lived on that block for 3 years, there's already an issue with available parking. The entire block of Herschel is congested 7 days a week.
Quote from: Shwaz on June 28, 2011, 11:52:19 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on June 28, 2011, 10:17:37 AM
Shwaz,
Because of its location its pretty muchin walking distance. I think that was the whole purpose was to make it "walkable". That could be why there is so little parking.
Walkable isn't a universal solution... and trust me as I lived on that block for 3 years, there's already an issue with available parking. The entire block of Herschel is congested 7 days a week.
I can agree. Even driving through is sometimes difficult because there are so many cars parked. I didnt say it wa a universal solution, but parking will not be such as a huge issue as its being perceived. Thats all. If you really want to go somewhere, you park and walk.
This is a terrific project, but to me it best serves to represent a shining by-product of a bigger issue. For downtown and adjacent areas to thrive, it must do so on the shoulders of artists, musicians, small business, entrepreneurs, etc.
This proven form of organic growth is widely known and discussed on MJ, but to me it always bears repeating.
Insetta is one of many beaming examples of what drives cultural and economic prosperity in urban America. Redundancy aside, the best examples of sustainable growth areas are predominately sparked by the artisitc-minded whose knack for creativity, risk-taking, and passion yield the some of the most dynamic output of ideas, products, services, places, and people.
Five Points/Riverside has embraced and protected creativity and as such will continue to impress. Jacksonville needs to do everything in its power to buttress the Jon Insetta's of the world. But, there are countless more that remain unknown and unsupported.
I think Jacksonville's leadership gets this and I'm excited to see how they further their support for the creative contingent. There is an endless list of evidence that supports the benefits of supporting these ideals and my hope is that Jacksonville continues to expand their embrace.
I lack such creativity - but, I am a huge fan of the fruitful tilt it puts on our society and economy and am grateful to those pushing the envelope.
Quote from: Shwaz on June 28, 2011, 11:52:19 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on June 28, 2011, 10:17:37 AM
Shwaz,
Because of its location its pretty muchin walking distance. I think that was the whole purpose was to make it "walkable". That could be why there is so little parking.
Walkable isn't a universal solution... and trust me as I lived on that block for 3 years, there's already an issue with available parking. The entire block of Herschel is congested 7 days a week.
I agree with Shwaz. Riverside is a walkable island in a suburban city. As long as this is the case, we will have problems with parking. That being said, Lake's solution makes a lot of sense. We need to push the streetcar through the necessary channels soon. The benefits will be enormous.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on June 28, 2011, 12:00:18 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on June 28, 2011, 11:52:19 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on June 28, 2011, 10:17:37 AM
Shwaz,
Because of its location its pretty muchin walking distance. I think that was the whole purpose was to make it "walkable". That could be why there is so little parking.
Walkable isn't a universal solution... and trust me as I lived on that block for 3 years, there's already an issue with available parking. The entire block of Herschel is congested 7 days a week.
I can agree. Even driving through is sometimes difficult because there are so many cars parked. I didnt say it wa a universal solution, but parking will not be such as a huge issue as its being perceived. Thats all. If you really want to go somewhere, you park and walk.
To a certain extent... or you get fed up with the situation and go somewhere that's a little more parking friendly. It also makes life difficult for those that live in the immediate area. It's extremely frustrating to come home to blocked driveway or even wait 10 minutes to exit your block.
Personally I loved that apartment and would've been thrilled to have Chew right across the street... I'm just saying a solution needs to be created for the additional traffic this new venue will bring. 11 parking spaces isn't going to cut it. The street car is definitely a good start.
Walkability and the streetcar line will (hopefully) reduce parking needs for people living within walking and streetcar distance, but there are still needs for people coming from outside the neighborhood. As Shwaz says, the parking is already trouble now; it's only going to get worse as Riverside continues to grow as a commercial/entertainment destination. And we'd be years off before the streetcar would be connected enough to other neighborhoods to have much effect on extra-neighborhood commutes.
Quote from: Shwaz on June 28, 2011, 12:17:30 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on June 28, 2011, 12:00:18 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on June 28, 2011, 11:52:19 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on June 28, 2011, 10:17:37 AM
Shwaz,
Because of its location its pretty muchin walking distance. I think that was the whole purpose was to make it "walkable". That could be why there is so little parking.
Walkable isn't a universal solution... and trust me as I lived on that block for 3 years, there's already an issue with available parking. The entire block of Herschel is congested 7 days a week.
I can agree. Even driving through is sometimes difficult because there are so many cars parked. I didnt say it wa a universal solution, but parking will not be such as a huge issue as its being perceived. Thats all. If you really want to go somewhere, you park and walk.
To a certain extent... or you get fed up with the situation and go somewhere that's a little more parking friendly. It also makes life difficult for those that live in the immediate area. It's extremely frustrating to come home to blocked driveway or even wait 10 minutes to exit your block.
Personally I loved that apartment and would've been thrilled to have Chew right across the street... I'm just saying a solution needs to be created for the additional traffic this new venue will bring. 11 parking spaces isn't going to cut it. The street car is definitely a good start.
True dat 8)
is there any hope that they can keep both locations open? or is that completely inconceivable?
^In speaking to Insetta in the past, I would say this is HIGHLY unlikely at best.
My understanding is that Chew has been planning to leave downtown for some time now.
exciting!
Dis building is going to look really neat once their finish
As for the roof lounge. I love the idea, but you think they would put some kind of an awning up to protect people from the sun.
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on June 28, 2011, 09:50:29 PM
As for the roof lounge. I love the idea, but you think they would put some kind of an awning up to protect people from the sun.
Don't think this is going to be a 1:30 in the afternoon type place. I'm thinking more of a 10PM type of venue.
Anyone know if they have tenants lined up for the office space?
It looks as if they are going to spare the beautiful old oak tree right at the corner of Oak and Margaret. Thank you for help saving our tree canopy. This tree is a very important part of our neighborhood's unique look and appeal.
EXCI-I-I-I-TING!! Building looks good. This is bold for Jacksonville. Dare I say new territory?
It is strange with all the interest in the area how the fomer dime store/Fuel has sat empty for years.
The old Fuel space would make a great Apple Store.
This morning they were painting Mossfire. They had also taken down all the awnings. Based on the new color, I imagine they will be changing the awnings to a taupe, orange, or gray color.
There was also a crowd of about 20 on the Chew lot surveying the site and talking about various things
Apparently, Mike Langton owner of the WA Knight building that Chew will be vacating has another restaurant lined up according to the TU.
hey I saw that today that is great!
Quote from: John P on June 29, 2011, 08:00:36 AM
It is strange with all the interest in the area how the fomer dime store/Fuel has sat empty for years.
The place is a complete wreck inside. Rain got in an ruined the floors upstairs. All of the HVAC, electric and plumbing and all of the interior walls will have to be replaced. For safety code reasons, the upstairs can only be used for storage without putting in an elevator, larger stairs and a sprinkler system.
Somebody is going to have to put in $400k-$500k to do anything with it. The owner, who lives in Richmond, has been reluctant to sell it, too, but is probably willing to do so now. It
is a fantastic location and a neat looking building.
It was built as a Woolworth's by the grandparents of the current owner and later became a Peterson's 5 & 10. There are a couple of neat, historic pictures in the window of both incarnations.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on June 29, 2011, 09:10:30 AM
This morning they were painting Mossfire. They had also taken down all the awnings. Based on the new color, I imagine they will be changing the awnings to a taupe, orange, or gray color.
Yeah, its supposed to be a beige/taupe color.
Hopefully JEA puts all the powerlines underground down the whole block.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on June 29, 2011, 09:10:30 AM
There was also a crowd of about 20 on the Chew lot surveying the site and talking about various things
CZ - we were with JEA talking about the power poles and lines that are coming down on Margaret and the new streetscape lighting on Oak Street.
Quote from: acme54321 on June 29, 2011, 10:08:41 AM
Hopefully JEA puts all the powerlines underground down the whole block.
We got as far as the dental office.
How did you get JEA to agree to underground? Are you guys paying for it?
Quote from: ubben on June 28, 2011, 11:22:20 PM
It looks as if they are going to spare the beautiful old oak tree right at the corner of Oak and Margaret. Thank you for help saving our tree canopy. This tree is a very important part of our neighborhood's unique look and appeal.
Sorry, it's gone. Went by a short while ago and there was nothing left but the remains stacked up ready to be hauled away.
It's incredibly disheartening to see today that these people cut down the century old oak tree that stood at the corner of Margaret and Oak. This Live Oak was on the very far edge of the property in the public right of way and while yes the lot is small, this tree could have, and should have, been saved. The people of Riverside Avondale actually really like having their tree canopy and this oak in particular was a majestic old-timer--one of the last remaining in Five Points. Our tree canopy is what makes our neighborhood charming and different than so much of Florida's ugly strip mall development. It's hard to believe that the architects and owners could be so out of touch. It's one big F.U. to those of us who appreciate our neighborhood. This was a very, very poor start to this project. Shame on the developers.
Quote from: ubben on July 02, 2011, 05:17:52 PM
It's incredibly disheartening to see today that these people cut down the century old oak tree that stood at the corner of Margaret and Oak. This Live Oak was on the very far edge of the property in the public right of way and while yes the lot is small, this tree could have, and should have, been saved. This was a very, very poor start to this project. Shame on the developers.
Particularly in Jacksonville developers and trees do not seem to coexist.
Just changed our dinner plans for next weekend from Chew to Bistro Aix. Everyone I know is really upset to see Chew's developers cut down that graceful old oak tree.
As bad as that is, what JEA's out of control contractor does to our canopy in the historic district is much worse. We've got two years to keep it from happening again.
I personally don't have a problem with the tree being removed. I don't say that lightly.
And the Insettas aren't exactly you're typical Jacksonville strip mall developers. They've done some very good work in the neighborhood.
QuoteThe place is a complete wreck inside. Rain got in an ruined the floors upstairs. All of the HVAC, electric and plumbing and all of the interior walls will have to be replaced. For safety code reasons, the upstairs can only be used for storage without putting in an elevator, larger stairs and a sprinkler system.
Somebody is going to have to put in $400k-$500k to do anything with it. The owner, who lives in Richmond, has been reluctant to sell it, too, but is probably willing to do so now. It is a fantastic location and a neat looking building.
There was a thread awhile back about this building. I don't think many people who posted in there understood what kind of shape the building is in. On top of a steep rent tag, anyone would also have to pay for their own rehab of the building(the owner does not want to build to suit). That's on top of the cost to buy inventory, fixtures, POS, legal fees, etc. It would take a grip of money to open a business there, and on top of that you don't even own the building. Best case scenario is the current owner bends and sells the building for cheap... however unlikely that appears.
It's ashame the owner let that old girl rot. It was once a very majestic building. Every Christmas we get to hear the story of my uncle going down to the Five and Dime and buying everyone's Christmas present with 20 cents, right before we open presents.
The owner, who is a very nice lady BTW, is not in a financial position to rehab the building or do a custom build out. She is attached to the building as her grandparents built it for Woolworth's. I think she has reconciled herself to selling the building since she cannot save it.
She is litigation right now with the insurance company of the roofer who left the roof open to the rain. Perhaps when that is settled, she will put the building on the market. I hope she is realistic about the price she can get for it given the current market and the condition of the building.
Have there been any more updates on the construction? Haven't been by there in a while.
Quote from: ubben on July 03, 2011, 09:58:38 AM
Just changed our dinner plans for next weekend from Chew to Bistro Aix. Everyone I know is really upset to see Chew's developers cut down that graceful old oak tree.
I agree. I will not be supporting either Chew or Orsay any longer. That they would destroy that tree is completely antithetical to what this neighborhood is all about. I'm pretty disgusted about it especially considering that it was the only tree species worth saving on the lot (all the others were laurel oaks) AND it was located at the very point of the lot so that it would not have hindered their plan and IMO would have enhanced the overall aesthetic of the building. Also the fact that they took out all of the trees except for the live oak and then came back 3 days later to take it out seemed like a big FU to the n'hood.
There are plenty of other restaurants whose owners respect this neighborhood and whom I will continue to support.
Quote from: Dog Walker on July 03, 2011, 10:22:28 AM
As bad as that is, what JEA's out of control contractor does to our canopy in the historic district is much worse. We've got two years to keep it from happening again.
We don't have two years, that damned JEA was just out again butchering the hell out of a 100 year-old live oak on Park street about 1000 yards east of the A&P gas station. It looks like Charlie Brown's christmas tree now, a bunch of glaring sunlight on the road, etc., where there was a nice canopy before.
At this rate, if we wait two years to do something about JEA's actions, there won't be any trees left.
Did JEA 'trim' that Live Oak on Park or was it the property owner? I'd like to know. I've never seen anything so horribly executed--until Chew Restaurant destroyed one of the last Century Oaks in Five Points last week. At least the tree on Park has a chance to regrow some branches in the next few decades.
I'm sorry that RAP and our local city council member is not out raising holy hell about the systematic ruin of our tree canopy. I'd be curious to know what RAP did to try and save the live oak that Insenetta/Chew Restaurant chopped down. I got my RAP renewal letter in the mail last week. I'm considering tossing it in the trash.
Quote from: ubben on July 07, 2011, 11:38:14 PM
Did JEA 'trim' that Live Oak on Park or was it the property owner? I'd like to know. I've never seen anything so horribly executed--until Chew Restaurant destroyed one of the last Century Oaks in Five Points last week. At least the tree on Park has a chance to regrow some branches in the next few decades.
I'm sorry that RAP and our local city council member is not out raising holy hell about the systematic ruin of our tree canopy. I'd be curious to know what RAP did to try and save the live oak that Insenetta/Chew Restaurant chopped down. I got my RAP renewal letter in the mail last week. I'm considering tossing it in the trash.
It was JEA on the Oak on Park street. If you think that is bad, look at really any of the trees JEA 'trims.'
The oak tree at the new Chew might have had to go in order to create the required number of parking spaces. Not sure, just speculating.
JEA's contract with Lewis Tree Service is a scandal waiting to happen. The crews are unsupervised by Lewis or JEA, untrained in proper trimming techniques for the various different species of tree, and in many cases, probably undocumented. They grossly over trim.
When I yelled at one crew about what they had done to my tree, the pretended not to speak English until I started calling them foul names in Spanish. Then, in English, one of the crew threatened to beat me up.
RAP is overtly hostile and critical of what is being done to our tree canopy and is seeking ways to change it. I thought Wayne Wood was going to break into tears at one of the meetings talking about it. He said," I wish we had started addressing this thirty years ago so we wouldn't have to be dealing with this now. The tree canopy is an integral part of the fabric of our historic neighborhood as much as the houses."
JEA has the tree trimming done about every two - three years, "to keep the power flowing". When asked how many tree related power interruptions there had been in the past few years, the JEA spokesman was unable to answer the question, but said that there had been twelve power interruptions in the district in the past twelve months. The average time before power was restored was less than one hour. That doesn't sound like lines taken out by falling branches to me.
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread, but my blood boils every time I drive down Riverside Ave. or Edgewood.
well, they have done the same thing to us in Springfield. It is terrible.
Quote from: floridaforester on July 07, 2011, 08:02:49 PM
Quote from: ubben on July 03, 2011, 09:58:38 AM
Just changed our dinner plans for next weekend from Chew to Bistro Aix. Everyone I know is really upset to see Chew's developers cut down that graceful old oak tree.
I agree. I will not be supporting either Chew or Orsay any longer. There are plenty of other restaurants whose owners respect this neighborhood and whom I will continue to support.
If you really want to make a difference you should probably go ahead and boycott JEA and have your power disconnected. What they've done to the tree canopy is much, much worse and widespread than this incident.
Quote from: Dog Walker on July 08, 2011, 08:25:28 AM
The oak tree at the new Chew might have had to go in order to create the required number of parking spaces. Not sure, just speculating.
DW - that is absolutely correct. In addition to those city requirements, the entire neighborhoods primary concern was parking. Trees were rarely, if ever, mentioned...until they were gone. We do look forward to adding 11 new canopy trees around the area which will mostly be protected from JEA since we will also be guilty of removing the power lines.
The more power lines that go underground around here the better! IMHO, the parking issue is overblown. If a restaurant is good, people will come even if they have to walk a block. If you want "car convenience" go to the drive-thru at Wendy's.
Seems to be that everyone wants to ignore the fact that there's a mostly unused parking garage attached to the condos. Parking isn't a problem, it's just not advertised. Resident parking is on the top floors and is protected by a lift arm. The bottom floors are for public use.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on July 13, 2011, 08:39:34 AM
Seems to be that everyone wants to ignore the fact that there's a mostly unused parking garage attached to the condos. Parking isn't a problem, it's just not advertised. Resident parking is on the top floors and is protected by a lift arm. The bottom floors are for public use.
Yes there are plenty of spaces in the garage for the public to use. I think the problem is people don't know that they are allowed to park there. Perhaps better signage would alleviate that problem.
that is exactly the problem! i saw some co-workers driving around the other day at lunch looking for a space to park. They had no clue you could park in the garage until I told them.
Ironically, the wallpaper in Chew Restaurant is of TREES. Apparently, Chew likes pencil drawings of trees on their walls, but not actual living breathing ones outside providing shade and beauty to our neighborhood.
It's a stunning underachievement that the designers and architects could not have come up with a creative solution to save one of the last large old live oak trees in Five Points.
Quote from: ubben on July 13, 2011, 09:39:43 AM
Ironically, the wallpaper in Chew Restaurant is of TREES. Apparently, Chew likes pencil drawings of trees on their walls, but not actual living breathing ones outside providing shade and beauty to our neighborhood.
Actually, Allen mentioned in a previous post that they are putting in 11 new trees, so to say that they do not like living trees would be inaccurate. The tree had to be removed for parking purposes (which was a major concern of area residents).
Quote from: Allan D on July 12, 2011, 06:13:13 PM
We do look forward to adding 11 new canopy trees around the area which will mostly be protected from JEA since we will also be guilty of removing the power lines.
You Animals!!!! Who cares if you're adding 11 trees, you took down 1!!!! Also, I loved those overhead lines, how dare you take them down. [/sarcasm]
What I love is that people don't realize that just about anyone who developed that property would have had to demolish that tree. The site is just too small and weirdly shaped to keep the tree. I think Insetta and the designers should be applauded for improving the neighborhood and listening to all stakeholders and trying to do what is best for the neighborhood.
I'm supposing, Ubben, that you don't shop at the Publix, or visit any retailer in 5 points or live in the condos.... because I'm pretty sure that every development in the area probably took down a tree or 7, but I guess you can't see the forest for all the trees. (weak pun intended) and had a special place in your heart for that one tree as mis-shaped and lopsided it was.
If it makes you feel any better about an 11 for 1 swap, maybe you should drive around the neighborhood and see what JEAs modis operandi does to the rest of the oaks, magnolias, gum, pine, etc...
Less Shade + 13 hours of sun in the summer..= $$$ in JEA's pockets... ???
Rumor has it that the developers have heard your complaints about trees and heat and rain and shade and are going to provide one of these from early March to late September...
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This is a as a win-win. We get a new, useful building that requires destroying a single century oak tree and no historic structures. How many trees get cut down every time we develop a greenfield area? And how many historic structures could we lose if they hadn't picked an unoccupied lot? Plus, if they're really planting more trees to make up for this one, then so much the better.
From the photos I can't tell where the oak mentioned above is located. Sure looks like they cut down a lot more than one oak however. Since they really didn't add any parking (just changed from parallel to nose-in) you would think they could have saved that tree.
Quote from: tayana42 on July 25, 2011, 04:22:50 PM
From the photos I can't tell where the oak mentioned above is located. Sure looks like they cut down a lot more than one oak however. Since they really didn't add any parking (just changed from parallel to nose-in) you would think they could have saved that tree.
The building does take up the entire site, and the parking addition on Oak did add 11 spaces. where the tree was will be part of the building.
for those of you keeping score, I think they took down more telephone poles than trees so that maybe 40 years from now the new trees that they plant won't have the same fate via developer or JEA......
QuoteTuesday, August 2, 2011What a difference a day makes
The first significant improvements to the corner of Margaret and Oak can now be seen. At our urging, and in record time, JEA was on site Friday to remove the power poles and associated lines past Mossfire grill. Black Sheep Restaurant Group and DW Meyers spent the first part of the week prepping the area for this momentous occasion - a true public-private partnership. The results will allow the new tree canopy designed by D Coop to flourish when completed. The last concrete pole will be removed in the coming days.
Before:
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After:
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Quote from: cline on July 13, 2011, 09:08:54 AM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on July 13, 2011, 08:39:34 AM
Seems to be that everyone wants to ignore the fact that there's a mostly unused parking garage attached to the condos. Parking isn't a problem, it's just not advertised. Resident parking is on the top floors and is protected by a lift arm. The bottom floors are for public use.
Yes there are plenty of spaces in the garage for the public to use. I think the problem is people don't know that they are allowed to park there. Perhaps better signage would alleviate that problem.
Seriously? Is it free? I've been going to Zoe's and Al's for years now and never knew that I could have parked in the garage. I wonder if they are intentionally not advertising it?
^ I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case (not advertised), but to answer your first two questions Yes we're serious and yes it's free. ;D
Where did you quote this from?
And what's up with this 1075 Hendricks?
http://dcoop.com/tag/restaurant/
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 02, 2011, 06:23:41 PM
for those of you keeping score, I think they took down more telephone poles than trees so that maybe 40 years from now the new trees that they plant won't have the same fate via developer or JEA......
QuoteTuesday, August 2, 2011What a difference a day makes
The first significant improvements to the corner of Margaret and Oak can now be seen. At our urging, and in record time, JEA was on site Friday to remove the power poles and associated lines past Mossfire grill. Black Sheep Restaurant Group and DW Meyers spent the first part of the week prepping the area for this momentous occasion - a true public-private partnership. The results will allow the new tree canopy designed by D Coop to flourish when completed. The last concrete pole will be removed in the coming days.
Before:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-d_T2mfvmdoA/TjheGjBWAyI/AAAAAAAAAI8/A5H0NsIVY6Y/s400/Margaret%2Bpower%2Bpoles%2B07122011.JPG)
After:
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If you pull into the garage there are at least 10 signs that say "Zoe's Parking" so they aren't trying to hide it- although I don't think there are signs outside the garage but I imagine that because of aesthetic reasons.
Seeing that space without those poles is like taking a breath of fresh air...those poles just mess up the scenery everywhere...
Quote from: acme54321 on August 02, 2011, 08:56:45 PM
Where did you quote this from?
And what's up with this 1075 Hendricks?
http://dcoop.com/tag/restaurant/
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 02, 2011, 06:23:41 PM
for those of you keeping score, I think they took down more telephone poles than trees so that maybe 40 years from now the new trees that they plant won't have the same fate via developer or JEA......
QuoteTuesday, August 2, 2011What a difference a day makes
The first significant improvements to the corner of Margaret and Oak can now be seen. At our urging, and in record time, JEA was on site Friday to remove the power poles and associated lines past Mossfire grill. Black Sheep Restaurant Group and DW Meyers spent the first part of the week prepping the area for this momentous occasion - a true public-private partnership. The results will allow the new tree canopy designed by D Coop to flourish when completed. The last concrete pole will be removed in the coming days.
Before:
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After:
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http://1534oakstreet.blogspot.com/2011/08/what-difference-day-makes.html?spref=fb
and on the other hand, I will no longer be able to walk to Chew
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 30, 2011, 03:59:59 PM
and on the other hand, I will no longer be able to walk to Chew
That's okay, though. You'll always have that Winn-Dixie...
Tufsu1, look on the bright side. Chew won't be within walking distance but you'll soon be within a good buggy's push of downtown's new "department store"......Family Dollar. While its a couple of notches below Macy's and TJ Maxx, it shouldn't take them long to plop their metal shed on the corner of State & Liberty. Even though construction hasn't started, it will probably be open before Chew flips on their lights in Five Points.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 30, 2011, 05:43:10 PM
Tufsu1, look on the bright side. Chew won't be within walking distance but you'll soon be within a good buggy's push of downtown's new "department store"......Family Dollar. While its a couple of notches below Macy's and TJ Maxx, it shouldn't take them long to plop their metal shed on the corner of State & Liberty. Even though construction hasn't started, it will probably be open before Chew flips on their lights in Five Points.
thanks Lake, that makes me feel much better.
and Chris, while I do like Chew, a Winn Dixie sub for dinner also hits the spot!
hey those wings at the Winn Dixie are pretty good too! just saying.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 30, 2011, 05:43:10 PM
Tufsu1, look on the bright side. Chew won't be within walking distance but you'll soon be within a good buggy's push of downtown's new "department store"......Family Dollar. While its a couple of notches below Macy's and TJ Maxx, it shouldn't take them long to plop their metal shed on the corner of State & Liberty. Even though construction hasn't started, it will probably be open before Chew flips on their lights in Five Points.
This reminds me of an Onion article about TJ Maxx stores giving the impression that they are going out of business, not because of any real 'Going out of business' sales but because they are so shabby. I have never been to a Macy's outside of New York City, so I have been spared the sight of a skanky Macy's store.
Has anyone else heard that Langton already has someone that is going to backfill the space that Chew was in?
^No. And based on Mike Langton's previous public statements, I'll believe it when I can have dinner there.
Quote from: downtownjag on August 31, 2011, 09:36:18 AM
Has anyone else heard that Langton already has someone that is going to backfill the space that Chew was in?
Yes, someone else posted the same thing a few weeks ago.
Quote from: downtownjag on August 31, 2011, 09:36:18 AM
Has anyone else heard that Langton already has someone that is going to backfill the space that Chew was in?
When Elvis died, a reporter tracked Colonel Tom Parker down at a diner while he was having coffee to break the news.
Parker being the consummate self-promoter, and whose penchant for denying the obvious had by this time long since become legend, responded at first being informed of the death; "
Nothing has changed. This won't change anything."
Mike Langton; Go have another cup of coffee, your space is worth a million bucks. Obviously. Don't sweat the small stuff.
I'm with Lake on this one, when I can sit down and eat dinner there I'll believe it.
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on August 31, 2011, 12:04:55 PM
I'm with Lake on this one, when I can sit down and eat dinner there I'll believe it.
umm..that was Steve
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 31, 2011, 01:52:25 PM
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on August 31, 2011, 12:04:55 PM
I'm with Lake on this one, when I can sit down and eat dinner there I'll believe it.
umm..that was Steve
You're right, my bad! I'd imagine both of them knew it was a typo, I know em both personally.
I met the King of Prussia once.... ::)
and I've been to King of Prussia Mall ::)
Quote from: Steve on August 31, 2011, 11:55:32 AM
^No. And based on Mike Langton's previous public statements, I'll believe it when I can have dinner there.
Only if it was that easy to backfill vacant downtown spaces.
In the past two days this has gone vertical in a major way. About 30 I beams were placed consuming about 30 feet of height and about a third of the land area of the site. I'm guessing this will be the structural core of the building and the housing for the elevator shaft. I'm guessing they will be placing more beams through the end of the week.
Quote from: acme54321 on August 31, 2011, 12:02:21 PM
Quote from: downtownjag on August 31, 2011, 09:36:18 AM
Has anyone else heard that Langton already has someone that is going to backfill the space that Chew was in?
Yes, someone else posted the same thing a few weeks ago.
The restaurant that is going in there, as I am told by someone other than Langton, has already been discussed on MJ :) However, maybe the person that named the restaurant to me was told by Langton...
QuoteOne of Us: Before the chef, a restaurant needs a designer
Submitted by Charlie Patton on December 6, 2011 - 4:28am
Charlie Patton's Blog
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BOB SELF/The Times-Union
Milan Malinovic of Design/Cooperative stands at the construction site of the new Five Points restaurant that he designed.Milan Malinovic says he likes challenging projects.
He’s got one in the 1534 Oak St. project.
He and his partners at D Coop (short for Design Cooperative) have designed and are involved in the construction of a mixed-use building that will house a ground-floor restaurant, two floors of offices and a rooftop bar on a small, triangular lot near Five Points.
The space is tight and the neighborhood is even tighter, a mixture of residential, retail, bustling restaurants and a crowded neighborhood grocery.
“It’s a very big inconvenience to build a building,†the affable Malinovic said, noting that a big part of his job on a project like 1534 Oak is “crisis management.â€
Malinovic is used to adjusting.
He spent the first 33 years of his life in what was then Yugoslavia and is now Bosnia, mostly in Sarajevo. At the University of Sarajevo he got a degree in fine art and then another in architecture and went to work as an architect at the largest firm in the city. But in 1992, with violence escalating as various sections of Yugoslavia broke away into separate countries (six countries would eventually emerge from the breakup), Malinovic left.
He moved to Malta, an island nation in the Mediterranean. He could continue to practice architecture there and he met his wife, marrying her in 1993.
But Malta, he said, “is a really tiny country, while the United States was one of the biggest countries.â€
So he came to Jacksonville because a partner of his knew William Morgan, one of Jacksonville finest architects.
Milanovic liked the climate in Jacksonville and Morgan, who was designing a federal courthouse in Tallahassee, had work for him.
Technically, Milanovic is no longer an architect since his European license isn’t recognized here. He said he plans to do the necessary course work to obtain his license here soon.
But working without a license hasn’t been a problem since he moved here since he’s always worked for other architects who are licensed. He’s worked with Morgan, worked for Reynolds, Smith and Hills and was with Rink, Reynolds, Diamond, Fisher, later renamed Rink Design, from 2002 until it closed in 2010.
Meanwhile, he and some other associates from Rink Design started D Coop, an architecture and interior design firm, in 2008.
“We’re all very different but somehow we jell together,†he said.
Any great project needs three elements, he said: a great client, a great contractor and a good designer.
The client on 1534 Oak is Black Sheep Restaurant Group, the team behind Chew and Orsay. They’ve placed a high priority on trying to minimize inconvenience from the construction, Milanovic said.
“We knocked on every door in the neighborhood and gave phone numbers for people to call,†he said. “They’ve been very sensitive, which is a very good thing. We want to be a good neighbor.â€
The contractor is D.W. Myers, which is dealing with the challenge of not having much storage space on site, he said. As a result, the project is taking time. Ground broke last June. Construction probably won’t end until next June.
When it’s finished, Milanovic said, he hopes it’s a building which everyone looks at and says, those guys are good.
“We really want to make the best we can.â€
charlie.patton@jacksonville, (904) 359-4413
zgrada dobro izgleda!
From the blog, it appears that finishes are headed our way...
QuoteMonday, March 5, 2012Busy week and the anatomy of a wall
This week there will be a lot going on at the site. Thursday and Friday will have the light weight concrete (they make a "light" version) pour on the roof in preparation of the paver system that will bring the finished floor up 15". That said - there will be a lot of activity on property and a water hose crossing Margaret Street at the end of the week to help mix the concrete.
More significant to us is what will be happening on the Northeast corner of the building involving the skin of the building - the Arriscraft Stone. Originally, the building was designed to have architectural precast panels on the outside. Smooth, clean, modern and quick - these panels would be put up as huge moduals by enormous cranes - all in the same week. After some local and regional research, all the groups involved with the project couldn't find precast panels that made everyone happy. During those discussions a year ago, the building redesign dictated by the Overlay was in process and a win-win solution was found - the Arriscraft Stone.
Installed like brick, the 1 foot by 2 foot stone will take about 2 months to finish as the weight limits it to 2-3 courses per day maximum. The finished product will be better long term for the building at the same time fit the neighborhood a bit better. Each one weighs about 60 pounds.
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Below is the beginning of the wall with the Prosoco R-Guard waterproofing system that includes several layers of liquid, fiberglass and copper membranes finished with a stainless steel edge.
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Can't wait to get nekkid on the roof.
Quote from: Kaiser Soze on March 06, 2012, 12:57:07 PM
Can't wait to get nekkid on the roof.
Be sure to let it hang on the Oak St. side and not the Margaret St. side - fewer potential targets to call the 5-0.
Black Sheep expected to open later this week
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/blog/retail_radar/2012/09/black-sheep-expected-to-open-later.html?s=image_gallery
Can't wait!! Long time coming
Went to one of the soft opening dinners on Friday. They were serving their lunch menu and serving lunch style not full service. Makes it faster by far and great idea for the lunch crowd that is time pinched.
Really, really good food, but needed more fennel in the tomato-fennel soup. Interesting presentation and service. Slick, warm interior. Can't wait to see it after dark. We had to eat early to get a table.
Usual soft opening glitches which is why you do them and invite a known friendly crowd. Minor stuff like the bar printer not working. Poor Allen was running around trying to fix stuff and smile at the same time.
This one is going to be a special spot!
We were there Friday, too. Decor is fabulous, food very tasty. We sampled fried green tomatoes with blue cheese, shrimp and grits, the kobe beef burger, and beet salad. Nice beer and wine selection.
Definitely will be back.
The price points were fair too
Cannot wait to hear the Riverside/5 points residents bitch about parking once it opens up. LOL!!!!!
I remember all the opposition to the building's architectural style. It's actually turned out to be quite attractive.
Quote from: mtraininjax on September 26, 2012, 11:21:53 PM
Cannot wait to hear the Riverside/5 points residents bitch about parking once it opens up. LOL!!!!!
Jack are you under a lot of stress :o? Parking in Riverside and 5 Points has always had a problem with parking but since we are younger then you we know how to relax. 8)
There is ample, consistently empty parking behind the buildings along Oak St (Al's to Five Guys). None of these businesses pull in a lot of cars at any given time (Al's is the only one with potential to bring cars en mass). The owner is, however, militant about non-users parking in the lot. Black Sheep could be fairly well served with an agreement with that building's owner. That may have already happened, I don't know (I'm lazy and didn't feel like searching through old plans/discussion).
Blacksheep also has nose-in parking spaces on Oak and Margaret. They are fenced off right now for the construction. Lunch time is going to be the parking crunch, not night time. Take the trolley/bus.
Richard's and Gina's just down the street will be closed at night and their parking will be available.
Anyone know what their hours are and whether or not they're officially open? I know they had a soft opening...just wonder where they're at as of today
I believe tomorrow is their "official" opening. I'm not sure what the hours will be though.
edit: I just found these hours listed on their Facebook page.
Mon-Thu: 10:00 am-10:00 pm
Fri: 10:00 am-12:00 am
Sat: 9:00 am-12:00 am
Sun: 9:00 am-10:00 pm
Thanks
We are hoping to open very soon to the public, but still operating under a tight partial CO until the construction on the exterior of the building is substantially complete. Will report back when we have more.