Anyone know info on the sudden closing of Gibbs? I would go in about once a week and it wasn't bad. Went in one day and they were pretty busy, came back a couple days later and the place was empty. Seems they had a captive customer base with St Vincents etc.
I hate seeing my dining options diminish.
From my understanding, the rent was killing them.
Yes, I'm really sad about this. I really liked it there, and the husband & wife that ran the place were good people. I would have never known they were in trouble because up until the last time I ate there the food was still great - they weren't skimping on the ingredients like a lot of restaurants do as they wind down. And they treated my kids like gold every time we went there - that's a pretty quick and easy way to win me over. I hope I run into them again.
I really liked them too do they own the Gibbs in Orange Park?
The place was always packed, so if they couldn't make a go of it despite being busy all the time, then somebody miscalculated when negotiating the lease.
I have another theory. The owners insisted on playing Fox News nonstop on their dining room television station and turned a lot of folks in Riverside/Avondale off. I have two friends who asked them on separate occasions to change the station to anything else and they wouldn't. That's just not going to fly in the Urban Core. It was a ghost town most of the day. They'd probably do better out in Maclenny.
ubben, as much as an extreme left wing liberal as I am, I simply refuse to let that explanation fly and I call shenanigans. The place did very well with the st. vincents crowd. I highly doubt what was on the TV had anything to do with it.
Quote from: ubben on May 24, 2011, 10:35:31 PM
I have another theory. The owners insisted on playing Fox News nonstop on their dining room television station and turned a lot of folks in Riverside/Avondale off. I have two friends who asked them on separate occasions to change the station to anything else and they wouldn't. That's just not going to fly in the Urban Core. It was a ghost town most of the day. They'd probably do better out in Maclenny.
As annoying as that is, I never went in there that it wasn't busy. I'd be the first one to love that explanation, but from everything I saw the place was always busy right up to the end. I think the explanation of ill-conceived overhead levels is probably far more likely.
One of the Acosta-Rua brothers owns that building so the requirement to run Fox news on the TV might have been written into the lease. ;)
Given the bible quotes scattered around the walls, my theory on their closure is rapture preparation. All kidding aside, the food was good even if the politics were opposite mine. I hate to see local businesses fail.
I heard that they hadn't paid rent in many months...sucks to loose a good lunch spot but maybe something cooler will replace it...good locations are hard to turn down.
The food was much too good to gripe over a muted television + the opposite wall had ESPN going at all times so there was an alternative.
Not sure how much the rent was but the location is great and the building is solid... ever notice that inside the restaurant you never heard any of the street traffic. Riverside Ave is super busy on that stretch and even with all the cars & buses going by it was completely silent inside.
RIP Gibbs :(
The owners of Gibbs were heavily involved in the pyramid marketing known as Mona Vie.
-Josh
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 25, 2011, 10:18:24 AM
The owners of Gibbs were heavily involved in the pyramid marketing known as Mona Vie.
-Josh
What's that? I see those stickers all over a bunch of SUVs in town...I thought for sure it was like Salt Life or something.
Is it a product?
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on May 25, 2011, 10:41:22 AM
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 25, 2011, 10:18:24 AM
The owners of Gibbs were heavily involved in the pyramid marketing known as Mona Vie.
-Josh
What's that? I see those stickers all over a bunch of SUVs in town...I thought for sure it was like Salt Life or something.
Is it a product?
Its weight loss shakes/ meal replacements I think.
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on May 25, 2011, 10:41:22 AM
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 25, 2011, 10:18:24 AM
The owners of Gibbs were heavily involved in the pyramid marketing known as Mona Vie.
-Josh
What's that? I see those stickers all over a bunch of SUVs in town...I thought for sure it was like Salt Life or something.
Is it a product?
I think it might be a cult or a pyramid marketing scheme. I guess those are the same things though ;)
Quote from: iluvolives on May 25, 2011, 10:43:01 AM
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on May 25, 2011, 10:41:22 AM
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 25, 2011, 10:18:24 AM
The owners of Gibbs were heavily involved in the pyramid marketing known as Mona Vie.
-Josh
What's that? I see those stickers all over a bunch of SUVs in town...I thought for sure it was like Salt Life or something.
Is it a product?
Its weight loss shakes/ meal replacements I think.
It's a pyramid scheme centered around the selling of juice made from the acai berry.
It was a great concept until the people in the higher tier decided to change the rules and how the pyramid works, then they just take all the money at the last minute.
The actual product itself works well, but its reputation was merely destroyed by the very people who were greedy and hell-bent on making more money from it.
-Josh
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 25, 2011, 10:49:02 AM
It was a great concept until the people in the higher tier decided to change the rules and how the pyramid works, then they just take all the money at the last minute.
The actual product itself works well, but its reputation was merely destroyed by the very people who were greedy and hell-bent on making more money from it.
-Josh
None of the so called benefits were scientifically proven and the CEO was involved in a another miracle drink scam before Monavie.
There is nothing great about multi-level marketing schemes.
Quote from: Shwaz on May 25, 2011, 10:54:30 AM
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 25, 2011, 10:49:02 AM
It was a great concept until the people in the higher tier decided to change the rules and how the pyramid works, then they just take all the money at the last minute.
The actual product itself works well, but its reputation was merely destroyed by the very people who were greedy and hell-bent on making more money from it.
-Josh
None of the so called benefits were scientifically proven and the CEO was involved in a another miracle drink scam before Monavie.
There is nothing great about multi-level marketing schemes.
It may not be scientifically proven, but how do you explain someone I knew so much who suffered 5+ years of lupus and got on this stuff, and now she is practically walking around today. Another group I know who have autistic kids who got on this stuff, and boom those kids are active and pushing beyond their limitations.
-Josh
For those like me who had never heard of Mona Vie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonaVie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonaVie)
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 25, 2011, 10:59:01 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on May 25, 2011, 10:54:30 AM
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 25, 2011, 10:49:02 AM
It was a great concept until the people in the higher tier decided to change the rules and how the pyramid works, then they just take all the money at the last minute.
The actual product itself works well, but its reputation was merely destroyed by the very people who were greedy and hell-bent on making more money from it.
-Josh
None of the so called benefits were scientifically proven and the CEO was involved in a another miracle drink scam before Monavie.
There is nothing great about multi-level marketing schemes.
It may not be scientifically proven, but how do you explain someone I knew so much who suffered 5+ years of lupus and got on this stuff, and now she is practically walking around today. Another group I know who have autistic kids who got on this stuff, and boom those kids are active and pushing beyond their limitations.
-Josh
So you're saying you've seen first hand Monavie cure autism & lupus?! :o
Quote from: Shwaz on May 25, 2011, 11:03:15 AM
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 25, 2011, 10:59:01 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on May 25, 2011, 10:54:30 AM
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 25, 2011, 10:49:02 AM
It was a great concept until the people in the higher tier decided to change the rules and how the pyramid works, then they just take all the money at the last minute.
The actual product itself works well, but its reputation was merely destroyed by the very people who were greedy and hell-bent on making more money from it.
-Josh
None of the so called benefits were scientifically proven and the CEO was involved in a another miracle drink scam before Monavie.
There is nothing great about multi-level marketing schemes.
It may not be scientifically proven, but how do you explain someone I knew so much who suffered 5+ years of lupus and got on this stuff, and now she is practically walking around today. Another group I know who have autistic kids who got on this stuff, and boom those kids are active and pushing beyond their limitations.
-Josh
So you're saying you've seen first hand Monavie cure autism & lupus?! :o
Nope, I never said MonaVie cured them. I did explain that they ingested this stuff that gives them the energy, motivation, nutritions, or all of the above to allow them live beyond their limitations.
-Josh
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 25, 2011, 10:59:01 AM
It may not be scientifically proven, but how do you explain someone I knew so much who suffered 5+ years of lupus and got on this stuff, and now she is practically walking around today. Another group I know who have autistic kids who got on this stuff, and boom those kids are active and pushing beyond their limitations.
-Josh
Must be the same stuff that Paul McCartney was selling in the video for "Say, Say, Say".
Josh what you're talking about is scientifically nothing more than placebo effect. It's been proven that the antioxidants in Mona Vie that are ingested have miniscule effect on the body. It's has about as much chance of curing these diseases that have gotten the better of the medical community as a can of red bull.
Are you sure you didn't get these anecdotes during a Mona Vie sales pitch?
Quote from: Shwaz on May 25, 2011, 11:15:41 AM
Josh what you're talking about is scientifically nothing more than placebo effect. It's been proven that the antioxidants in Mona Vie that are ingested have miniscule effect on the body. It's has about as much chance of curing these diseases that have gotten the better of the medical community as a can of red bull.
Are you sure you didn't get these anecdotes during a Mona Vie sales pitch?
In fact, I do hate the whole MonaVie. I have been a victim of it.
One thing I cannot explain is my real friend was bed-ridden from having the lupus for few years. How the hell did she go from bed-ridden to walking around? She used to be very dynamic in her gymnastic in her younger days. How can you explain that? Oh some placebo effect?
-Josh
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 25, 2011, 11:17:48 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on May 25, 2011, 11:15:41 AM
Josh what you're talking about is scientifically nothing more than placebo effect. It's been proven that the antioxidants in Mona Vie that are ingested have miniscule effect on the body. It's has about as much chance of curing these diseases that have gotten the better of the medical community as a can of red bull.
Are you sure you didn't get these anecdotes during a Mona Vie sales pitch?
I am saying the only fact. My real friend was bed-ridden from having the lupus. How the hell did she go from bed-ridden to walking around? How can you explain that? Oh some placebo?
-Josh
I would believe this was a medical miracle or act of god before I put my faith a miracle drink buried in a pyramid scheme that was scientifically proven to have no substantial nutritional value.
What's next Amway cures AIDS?
Quote from: Shwaz on May 25, 2011, 11:21:08 AM
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 25, 2011, 11:17:48 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on May 25, 2011, 11:15:41 AM
Josh what you're talking about is scientifically nothing more than placebo effect. It's been proven that the antioxidants in Mona Vie that are ingested have miniscule effect on the body. It's has about as much chance of curing these diseases that have gotten the better of the medical community as a can of red bull.
Are you sure you didn't get these anecdotes during a Mona Vie sales pitch?
I am saying the only fact. My real friend was bed-ridden from having the lupus. How the hell did she go from bed-ridden to walking around? How can you explain that? Oh some placebo?
-Josh
I would believe this was a medical miracle or act of god before I put my faith a miracle drink buried in a pyramid scheme that was scientifically proven to have no substantial nutritional value.
What's next Amway cures AIDS?
Please read my updated post above.
-Josh
Regardless of your post update - my position remains. Explain how Mona Vie cured your friend?
Quote from: Shwaz on May 25, 2011, 11:25:38 AM
Regardless of your post update - my position remains. Explain how Mona Vie cured your friend?
Again, I honestly don't know. I cannot answer to that question. I just simply state few facts. I don't care about MonaVie. We should go back to the original topic of this thread which is explaining why Gibbs Sub closed down.
It is clearly that Mr. Gibbs didn't know how to run an effective business as a result of his business closing down or he must perfectly have a good reason. I used to work for a sign company that does his signages. Last time I heard, there was a dispute between Larry Giants Subs and Mr. Gibbs since he used to own a franchise with Larry Giants Sub, then he created his own, copying all the Larry's standards of practice.
-Josh
NRW's Cure all for All That Ails You:
(1) 16oz Glass filled with Cracked Ice
(1.5 oz) Meyers Rum
(1.5 oz) Bacardi Light Rum
(.75 oz) Banana Liquor
(.75 oz) Raspberry Liquor
(3 oz) OJ
(2 oz) Pineapple Juice
(2 oz) Mona Vie
(1 splash) 7-up
Shake Well. Garnish with Orange Slice, Pineapple Wedge & Marachino Cherry. Float with Bacardi 151
Repeat 3-4 times and you'll have the energy of a schoolgirl and won't even notice the lupus.
Still may not be able to walk. (at least not in a straight line)
Quote from: Shwaz on May 25, 2011, 11:25:38 AM
Regardless of your post update - my position remains. Explain how Mona Vie cured your friend?
Duly Noted, by the way. ;D
-Josh
Quote from: wsansewjs on May 25, 2011, 11:39:01 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on May 25, 2011, 11:25:38 AM
Regardless of your post update - my position remains. Explain how Mona Vie cured your friend?
Duly Noted, by the way. ;D
-Josh
Thought we were back on topic?
Quote from: JeffreyS on May 24, 2011, 06:54:40 PM
I really liked them too do they own the Gibbs in Orange Park?
The last few times I went to the Gibbs in OP (it's been a while) there were a couple of teenagers running the store, and they really acted like they didn't want to be bothered by any customers. If they were closing at, say 7 pm, they would open all the doors around 6:30 and start sweeping around you while you tried to eat. Little things like that to make it obvious they were ready for you to get the hell out.
When the Gibbs in Riverside opened I told the owner about that and he sort of frowned and said something like "that's to bad" but didn't say much more. So my guess was that he wasn't involved with the OP location.
I did see a lot of religious quotes on the walls, but they never bothered me with any of that, or with any Mona Vie stuff. Maybe I'm not that perceptive, but I didn't notice that they were involved with Mona Vie, and I used to eat there quite a bit.
I also remember one TV being tuned to Fox News and the other one usually had ESPN or maybe CNN. I might be mis-remembering the CNN part.
SWEET - I'm not a Newbie any more! I'm a Jr. Member! Wait a second...Jr. Member sounds like what happens when a guy jumps into a really cold pool. Now I've got to start posting a lot more so I can get to the next level...
Josh, Lupus is one of those really strange auto-immune diseases like MS that can get better and worse for no known reason. Episodic. "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" translates as "after this therefore because of this" ; one of the classic fallacies. Don't confuse timing with causation.
The placebo effect can be very, very powerful too.
Quote from: DavidWilliams on May 24, 2011, 05:57:58 PM
Anyone know info on the sudden closing of Gibbs? I would go in about once a week and it wasn't bad. Went in one day and they were pretty busy, came back a couple days later and the place was empty. Seems they had a captive customer base with St Vincents etc.
I hate seeing my dining options diminish.
Weird...I live three blocks away, and walk by there twice a day. Never really seemed busy enough to pay for overhead, let alone make a profit...
I hope International Grill can do something 2 doors down...
I too hate when my dining options diminish, but, I can't say I was ever impressed with Gibbs...
Certainly it wasn't fine dining or anything special but it was an option where parking was a little easier than the restaurants clustered around Publix. On a few visits the time to get a sandwich was a bit ridiculous...like 20 minutes.
Side note...anyone know what is going into the former Subway space on Lomax?
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 25, 2011, 11:35:23 AM
NRW's Cure all for All That Ails You:
(1) 16oz Glass filled with Cracked Ice
(1.5 oz) Meyers Rum
(1.5 oz) Bacardi Light Rum
(.75 oz) Banana Liquor
(.75 oz) Raspberry Liquor
(3 oz) OJ
(2 oz) Pineapple Juice
(2 oz) Mona Vie
(1 splash) 7-up
Shake Well. Garnish with Orange Slice, Pineapple Wedge & Marachino Cherry. Float with Bacardi 151
Repeat 3-4 times and you'll have the energy of a schoolgirl and won't even notice the lupus.
Still may not be able to walk. (at least not in a straight line)
Funny , NRW :)
Quote from: DavidWilliams on May 25, 2011, 06:22:00 PM
Certainly it wasn't fine dining or anything special but it was an option where parking was a little easier than the restaurants clustered around Publix. On a few visits the time to get a sandwich was a bit ridiculous...like 20 minutes.
Side note...anyone know what is going into the former Subway space on Lomax?
Does it look like something is going there? It's not going to be vacant anymore?
That's nice!
I've heard vague talk of another coffee shop going in there, but don't know for sure. Kind of silly if true, with 5 Points Coffee and Spice across the street and the coffee and boba place around the corner on Park St.
There is interior work going on now in that space so we should know soon.
Maybe it's a coffee/pizza/sushi joint!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I tried Gibbs once and was turned off immediately. I was staying with someone over night at St. Vincent's. At about 6:55, I decided to go down to the cafeteria or sandwich shop and grab dinner...I got to the cafeteria and learned they had just closed at 7 p.m. I walked across the street to Gibbs - lights still on, open sign still on, a few people seated and eating...nothing told me they were closed. I walk up to the counter to order and at about five after seven, they said they were closed and wouldn't be able to help me out.
If you were located across from a major hospital where all of the food outlets closed at 7, wouldn't a smart business owner stay open until 8? I decided to not go back after that. The atmosphere lacked anyway.
Honestly, that entire little "strip mall" right there is strange and lacking. I really wish they would have just built what the original plan called for (with condos/apartment/offices above ground floor retail). The design and concept fit more with the neighborhood.
Another failed business in this great economy!
Josh- you are right about Gibbs-The first time I went there I realized it was a Larry's Giant Subs Menu with the
names changed-the only problem was it didn't operate the same-sandwich time was 15 minutes and quality so-so.
Rich
Quote from: Rmacus on May 26, 2011, 09:35:22 AM
Josh- you are right about Gibbs-The first time I went there I realized it was a Larry's Giant Subs Menu with the
names changed-the only problem was it didn't operate the same-sandwich time was 15 minutes and quality so-so.
Rich
Um how many different kind of sandwich combinations are there for cold cuts? Pretty much every'submarine sandwich place has the exact same menu.
You are correct, but there are some shops that rock while most others barely get by!
Quote from: Rmacus on May 26, 2011, 09:47:30 AM
You are correct, but there are some shops that rock while most others barely get by!
I dunno... Subway is garbage but they're going strong with that fat ass Jared at the helm.
Only made the subway experience once in my life and that was enough- worst product-best advertising- I guess whatt the say is true- "if you package it right you can sell sh-t"
Quote from: Rmacus on May 26, 2011, 09:57:01 AM
Only made the subway experience once in my life and that was enough- worst product-best advertising- I guess whatt the say is true- "if you package it right you can sell sh-t"
Welcome to MetroJacksonville, Rmacus! Make yourself home and it is really addicting to participate in these halls of threads among those fine folks! Look out for the amazing Stephen and Uncle Ockie among other fantastic posters.
Back to the topic:
Subway- Meh.
Firehouse Subs - After their changes, it is pretty good.
Larry Giant- Still good, but not the best.
Jimmy Johns- Good for its own style.
Mom & Pop Deli Store like one in 5 Points - DELICIOUS.It makes me feel good to put money into local small business. It is even more bonus when their food are even so soul-filling good!
Maybe I am just hungry at the moment. :)
-Josh
QuoteI guess whatt the say is true- "if you package it right you can sell sh-t"
They do.....
(http://evergreengardensvt.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Composted_Cow_Manure.28982554_std.jpg)
I guess between goalpost and whiteway, both of which have been around forever and thus aren't saddled with startup-phase overhead, they also had some strong competition within the surrounding area. Not to mention there is an actual Larry's a couple blocks east of their location. And now that somebody mentioned it, yeah, it was basically the whole Larry's menu with the names changed. I liked Gibbs better though, because I like Boar's Head products better than whatever Larry's uses.
Then you should hit up the Publix deli.
And while I'm on grocery store sandwiches - Hung Thinh (yeah, that just happened) on Normandy has a killer Banh Mi - if you're into that sort of thing.
Chris- fyi i am sorta of a subologist(joke) but I was in the meat industry and you would be interested to know Boars Head is mostly a marketing company and make very few of it's own products- many are made in plants that produce other brands. Larry's actually uses some of the finest products available- one for instance is the roast beef- Boars head uses a top round 10% injected beef, while Larry's uses U.D.A. Choice Top Round Angus-NON INJECTED- which is vastly superior! I know this because I sold it!-Larry's also uses organic Chicken Breast and a excellent 2 piece all muscle turkey- not 3 or 5 pieces glued together- sorry I don't want to over kill, but I do know about this stuff.
I always wondered the difference between the Publix and Boars Head meat and if it was worth the extra dollar.
The only thing about sub meat I knew for sure is that Subway is gar-bage.
Quote from: Rmacus on May 26, 2011, 12:43:51 PM
Chris- fyi i am sorta of a subologist(joke) but I was in the meat industry and you would be interested to know Boars Head is mostly a marketing company and make very few of it's own products- many are made in plants that produce other brands. Larry's actually uses some of the finest products available- one for instance is the roast beef- Boars head uses a top round 10% injected beef, while Larry's uses U.D.A. Choice Top Round Angus-NON INJECTED- which is vastly superior! I know this because I sold it!-Larry's also uses organic Chicken Breast and a excellent 2 piece all muscle turkey- not 3 or 5 pieces glued together- sorry I don't want to over kill, but I do know about this stuff.
This is why I like Larry's Giant Subs over Gibbs or Firehouse anytime in the quality of taste. I always get the roast beef at Larry's.
Based on that information you provided, Rmacus, it sounds like the owners of Gibbs were being hypocrites because they were promoting MonaVie which was promoting health benefits scandalously while the very ingredients for their subs are not healthy and being processed unethically.
-Josh
Gibbs Orange Park WAS a Larrys, they just didnt want to pay the franchise fees anymore and were then able to get cheaper meat through a different vendor.
Larrys=awesome. That's Field math. Like Rmacus said, they use VERY high quality meats. Eaten at Larrys 3 times this week actually.
The fieldafm hierarchy of sandwich shops in riverside/avondale:
1-Pinegrove
2-Whiteways
3-Larrys (only b/c they don't have tabouli or shrimp and grits)
4-Goal Post
5-Ginas
6-Everyone else
WHOA!!! Where on Normandy can I get some bahn mi???!!!!????
Intersection of Lane & Normanday. Go to the counter in the back left part of the store, place your order, look around for a bit (don't go by the meat case if you're at all squeamish) and it'll be ready & delicious in a few minutes. If you haven't been inside the store, I take it you haven't, then it is definitely a must see.
Awesome. Thank you!! I go to all of the hispanic markets on the Southside(Beach Blvd) quite often but haven't found any Vietnamese markets (besides restaurants like Bowl of Pho/PK Noodles/etc). This is GREAT news, especially being close to home!
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 26, 2011, 10:56:09 AM
Hung Thinh
My goodness, I guess I won't get the salami for fear of leaving hungry.
This ought to be sent to Jay Leno! I wonder if the owner gets the joke?
Ask a Vietnamese person to pronounce it for you and the double meaning goes away. Vietnamese has eight or nine tones and is impossible for someone who grew up speaking a non-tonal language to speak properly.
I know, I tried.