After some excitement in the Brown camp about Mrs. Delores Weavers endorsement of him in the race for mayor we see that in this particular instance Wayne Weaver no longer agrees with his wife. Jags owner Wayne Weaver has given his endorsement for mayor to Mike Hogan and also put his money where his mouth is. In his comments Wayne said he is confident of Hogan's interest in downtown as well as the future of the Jaguars franchise and other issues. He is also confident in the people Hogan will have with him in office.
Wayne Weaver is thinking with a business head in tandem with his politcal views. This is what the difference is between various groups in politics, the thing Shelton was talking about is his essay yesterday. One group tends to lead with it's emotions and hearts, another goes with plain facts and numbers. A marriage of both ways of thinking is what most people say they want in a candidate and Moran did her best to fill that bill. She came in third and did not make the runoff. A Republican and a Democrat did.
Weavers endorsement should also go to prove that he believes that Hogan is supportive of our football team, downtown and a plan to rebuild Jacksonville's faulty and weak financial position.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-04-11/story/wayne-weaver-backs-hogan-mayor-after-delores-weaver-picks-brown
Considering the fact that Hogan voted against bringing a football team to the city? Talk about hypocrisy.
-Josh
and Del Rio is a top flight NFL coach too right? This makes me qestion Mr Weavers bussiness mindset when viewed with Mr Hogans lack of expertise as well as not vocalizing just what his vision is for downtown!
QuoteIn his comments Wayne said he is confident of Hogan's interest in downtown as well as the future of the Jaguars franchise and other issues.
Where did he say this......???
I'm not seeing it anywhere.
Josh, This choice has nothing to do with hypocrisy, it has to do with recognizing the current and ongoing value of an NFL team for Jacksonville. The Jags are good for Jacksonville and inspite of a vote over a decade ago, Mike Hogan gets that and supports the team. You will find over time that everyone changes their minds about alot of beliefs and views. Everyone has to adjust to a changing political landscape when they step into any race for office. If you can't bend and flow with shifting views and concerns, you won't survive the world of politics.
@CZ, from todays article.
QuoteWayne Weaver, a Republican, told The Times-Union this morning that he met with Hogan at Hogan’s request for more than an hour last week. He said they talked about everything from improving Downtown to supporting education.
Weaver said he appreciated Hogan's Republican values. He said he came away satisfied Hogan would hire a good staff and be good leader and ambassador for the city.
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-04-11/story/wayne-weaver-backs-hogan-mayor-after-delores-weaver-picks-brown#ixzz1JKzAmQHA
I believe you Stephen and don't doubt the emotions expressed the evening of Moran's loss. But the players who survive in business and politics know how to play the hand they are dealt.
Quote from: Diane Melendez on April 12, 2011, 03:06:46 PM
Josh, This choice has nothing to do with hypocrisy, it has to do with recognizing the current and ongoing value of an NFL team for Jacksonville. The Jags are good for Jacksonville and inspite of a vote over a decade ago, Mike Hogan gets that and supports the team. You will find over time that everyone changes their minds about alot of beliefs and views. Everyone has to adjust to a changing political landscape when they step into any race for office. If you can't bend and flow with shifting views and concerns, you won't survive the world of politics.
You do have a valid point, and I want to regret my statement.
Another thing I want to point out... could this be a red herring in this 2011 Mayoral Election. For example, could Wayne's endorsement with Hogan would just drive people mad to the point that they could vote for Brown, boosting the turnout, while Delores would soothe the current supporters and maintain their calm?
Only time will tell!-Josh
I guess the statement can be interpreted differently by one depending upon how they recieve the information. Weaver said he is "satisfied". Satisfied means that his questions have been answered in a way that give him the needed understanding and faith in the candidate he now supports. We can parse words all day, but the bottom line here is that Mrs. Weaver supports Brown and Mr. Weaver supports Hogan. Mr. Weavers endorsement came with financial backing of himself and several associates. We will all know soon enough what real impact their endorsements will have.
Quote from: Diane Melendez on April 12, 2011, 03:15:48 PM
I guess the statement can be interpreted differently by one depending upon how they recieve the information. Weaver said he is "satisfied". Satisfied means that his questions have been answered in a way that give him the needed understanding and faith in the candidate he now supports. We can parse words all day, but the bottom line here is that Mr. Weaver supports Brown and Mr. Weaver supports Hogan. We will all know soon enough what impact their endorsements will have.
Wow, is there a clone of Mr. Weaver?
-Josh
Quote from: Diane Melendez on April 12, 2011, 03:06:46 PM
If you can't bend and flow with shifting views and concerns, you won't survive the world of politics.
You said a mouthful there! Shifting views indeed.
Typo Josh. LOL I will accept your interpretation Stephen. There is no point in picking apart who said what. The link to the TU article is here and everyone is more than free to interpret the information in it to their own satisfaction. :)
I expect that having heard those passionate words, it seemed to everyone that Wayne Weaver was soundly behind Audrey. Clearly he was, but Audrey Moran is not longer in the race. The choice is now between Hogan and Brown. Each of the Weavers has chosen someone different to support in the final leg of the race for mayor.
Quote from: Diane Melendez on April 12, 2011, 02:55:14 PM
Wayne Weaver is thinking with a business head in tandem with his politcal views.
in this town, that almost always means supporting Republicans...does that notion make you happy Diane?
It used to make me unhappy tofu until I realized what the ongoing dynamics of this city are. Shelton got it right in his essay yesterday.
Delores endorsement will weigh more than Mr Weavers. Alvin will be as big a supporter of the Jacguars as anyone, win or lose. The political phenonema occurring now is those republicans disenchanted with the tea party's control of their party. They've been effected by the events all across the country and here at home with gov. Scott. Demonstrated here in these posters and everywhere in the city, particularly those younger to (suprisingly) middle aged voters. And seen yesterday by Dolores's powerful endorsement. Am i right to feel that her endorsement had a bit more passion than Waynes?
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Shelton did get it right yesterday.
Its time to vote for qualified candidates, stop cowtowing to alleged republican wins, and vote in people with more braincells than good old boys.
Shelton got it quite right.
This statement begs a question which I am sincere when asking. We did have some very good Democrat candidates in November in Alex Sink and Deborah Gianolis. Both of these fine ladies lost after running excellent campaigns. They lost. Why? The question is...why?
Audrey Moran went everywhere she was asked to go. Spoke to all who approached her. Said all the "right" things that people long to hear, ie "it's not about party locally". She strove to be honest about her take on pensions and taxes. She was the ideal candidate everyone aspires to and she lost, infact came in third place. So what happened? The truth of it is that good candidates do step forward, creative and edgy personalities like Shelton step up to the plate and lose. Running for political office is extrememly exhausting and your personal life, words and actions are all scruitinized at every turn. Your words become exactly what some want to hear but the polar opposite of what others see as ideal. What is the incentive for most to step into the confusing and convoluted world of politics? It seems to me that this goes much deeper than folks stepping up to run for office. It comes down to the support and funding a candidate can depend on getting. It's the support or lack there of that makes the difference in my view.
QuoteIm sorry Diane, but I spoke with the Weavers as they were leaving Audrey's election night, and there is no way that there is any enthusiasm in this 'endorsement'.
So Stephen, when someone makes a statement to you, they are not allowed to change their mind? The night of the election was emotions talking. WW gets it, and realizes he needs help from the mayor's office as he had many issues he had to discuss and get agreement from Peyton.
He's a smart businessman, and I believe there is enthusiasm in Mr. Weaver for doing what is in the best interest of Jacksonville. And, oh yeah, he has enough money to where he can change his mind, whenever he pleases!!!
QuoteReally? What did he tell you personally about that Mtrain?
Through his actions, but apparently you cannot see them. I am glad he came out for Hogan, and I can't wait for Hogan to win to see the board just implode.
Typical of you, M-train. Negative Negative Negative. I hope if Hogan wins you live to REGRET voting for him. But then someone like yourself would NEVER admit they are wrong
Whatever Hogan and Mr. Weaver discussed, I wish they would share with the rest of the voters, because all I've read are Tea Party talking points thus far.
I doubt Weaver was 'satisfied' with that alone.
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 12, 2011, 05:57:19 PM
QuoteReally? What did he tell you personally about that Mtrain?
Through his actions, but apparently you cannot see them. I am glad he came out for Hogan, and I can't wait for Hogan to win to see the board just implode.
REALLY?????? Well if all you're waiting for is to see the board implode then perhaps you should just scram. vamoose. begone.
If he becomes Mayor, I will congratulate and commend him.. but he would not be my choice.
Quote from: stephendare on April 12, 2011, 06:10:14 PM
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 12, 2011, 05:57:19 PM
QuoteReally? What did he tell you personally about that Mtrain?
Through his actions, but apparently you cannot see them. I am glad he came out for Hogan, and I can't wait for Hogan to win to see the board just implode.
So then, nothing. Which I suspected from the first.
People can and do change their minds. But this is simply a business precaution. The money poured into the Moran camp will not come from this endorsement, and you know that as well as I do.
And the board will not 'implode'. Hogan's fiscal conservatism dovetails nicely with most of our recomendations and ideas. If Hogan truly governs as a conservative, then there are a whole set of goals that can be accomplished together.
The way I see it, if the goal is to make Jacksonville a busy prosperous and dynamic city with a high quality of life and a strong economy then there is a very long laundry list of things that have to be done in order to reach that goal.
Sadly there is a partisan divide which makes it unlikely that one group of people can do all of those things, some of them are conservative, some of them are liberal.
But that doesnt mean that they don't need to be done.
If the conservative wins, then we can work on the conservative list.
If the liberal wins, then we can work from that list.
It happens to be my opinion that the greater national economy and the idiot occupying the governor's mansion make it very important to elect the least tea party like of the candidates, but I did not think that the world would end with the mayoral win of John Peyton.
True he was every bit as ineffective as we feared publicly that he would be, but we still managed to get some solid accomplishments during his administration.
The problem that I have with Hogan isnt so much Mike Hogan (as Ive said multiple times, hes a decent, kind and honorable guy) its the gang of people that will come into office with him.
Who is he going to appoint to the JEA and JTA boards, for example? That is a HUGE consideration.
But if Hogan wins, I will endeavor to be the first blogger to congratulate him, and will offer any aid and help that I can to enable him to do good things for the city of Jacksonville.
Im sure most people on this forum feel the same way.
What is in that list of things that can be done if a truly conservative mayor is elected? It would be neat to see an article on "Things We Need That Hogan Can Get Done" and "Things We Need That Brown Can Get Done".
I agree with you Stephen.
Quote from: Diane Melendez on April 12, 2011, 03:54:06 PM
It used to make me unhappy tofu until I realized what the ongoing dynamics of this city are. Shelton got it right in his essay yesterday.
tofu...really?
Quote from: Timkin on April 12, 2011, 05:59:01 PM
Typical of you, M-train. Negative Negative Negative. I hope if Hogan wins you live to REGRET voting for him. But then someone like yourself would NEVER admit they are wrong
not quite Timkin...mtrain's slogan says it all "is it 2011 yet"...after all he voted for Peyton...
as such I fully expect him to be saying "is it 2015 yet" shortly after Hogan recants on his no new taxes pledge
Either way, I wish he would leave this discussion.
Quote from: Timkin on April 12, 2011, 08:43:02 PM
Either way, I wish he would leave this discussion.
agreed
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 12, 2011, 09:22:05 PM
Quote from: Timkin on April 12, 2011, 08:43:02 PM
Either way, I wish he would leave this discussion.
agreed
Triplets.
No one likes a sore winner. And noone has won yet.
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Okay, you guys made me laugh...out loud. So sorry Tufsu1. I must have confused you with a vegitarian snack. My bad, LOL but funny no? Things would be easier if folks would post under the actual names. :D
Yeah, that's a little premature. People should at least give the voters a shot at casting the ballots. I keep hearing that it's a fait accompli - I'm not convinced.
Spinners gonna spin.
I know how it looks. History being a guide. But history changes along the way. This may be our time in Jacksonville.
The Hogan camp is not taking anything for granted and still remains in campaign mode. Why you politely ask people to participate in this forum only to insult them Stephen, is still a mystery to me. I take exception to any insinuation that I am pimping any platform. That is just a rude statement. Why do you always resort to name calling or labeling? I seriously don't know how that advances your argument. It would be lovely to be able to discuss things without wondering exactly when you will resort to a back handed statement. Why is that such a difficult thing? Jeeze Louise!
I don't think that was directed at me, Diane, but from my perspective, we're all here to give a little spin for our favorite candidate. At least in the politics section.
Actually Stephen the term is insulting. The fact that it is considered the norm on forums or the internet is not a good enough reason to embrace it. Rude, even in the days of in your face internet discussion, is still uncalled for. It does nothing to elevate discussions or views. IMO.
It wasn't Jimmy. I don't care for the term. I prefer some degree of respect when discussing differing points of view. It is just unfortunate and confusing to get warm fuzzys saying stay in one post and don't in another. LOL It's a bit fickle.
I know it won't change Stephen. You like things your way and on your terms at all times. I get that.
Actually, I misread Jimmys comments and adjusted my post. I made no site comparisons Stephen, you did in an effort to change the direction of the conversation. My statement about lack of polite discussion stands and it is based on the current discourse and nothing else.
Not at all Stephen and I am imposing no rules on a forum that I do not run. I am just asking for a polite discourse. Now lets move on shall we?