Five Reasons why Mike Hogan will be the Next Mayor
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The results of the first city election left Jacksonville residents with a choice between Mike Hogan and Alvin Brown for Mayor. The conventional wisdom is that Hogan will win this; some even feel he will get in excess of 65% of the vote. Here are five reasons why he will win, and check back tomorrow to see why Alvin Brown could pull the upset.
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For me it will be showing him Hogans Creek. I hope it happens. The same can be said for Mr. Brown. I hope it happens with him too. Not a huge media circus event. But an opportunity to see for yourself what could truly be a benefit for all the people of Jacksonville. Hogans Creek and our Promised 680' Downtown Public Pier AKA Bay St. Pier Park and Daniel O'Byrne will be saying "Visit Jacksonville and sit on Jacksonville's Front Porch....Southern Style."
My hats off to both Jill Dame and Jim Love both candidates in the city council District 14 race in May that have both seen for themselves the potential benefit of Hogans Creek. The constituents in this district can only be elevated in knowing that they have expanded their knowledge in these issues that they will be voting on as our elected representatives on the council.
Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting in 9 days.
St. Johns River Alliance Board meeting in 10 days.
While I appreciate and commend your steadfast committment to Hogans Creek Noone, it is disappointing that it (along with the pier) seem to be the only issues that matter to you in the Mayoral election.
Spent the weekend at the Equestrian Center, with Normandy, Wilson, Firestone all filled with Hogan signs on commerical and private properties. They were everywhere, big ones on wooden 4X4s. Saw one Alvin sign, a little one with Hogan's throwing a shadow over it. The Westside obviously belongs to Hogan...
Since for Hogan downtown is "just another neighborhood," when he is "probably" elected we can just sit back and watch the further decline of downtown. If the local government is apathetic about downtown, you can't expect everyone else not to be. You would think that Sleiman would have been behind a more progressive candidate and a downtown advocate since his pet project is the Landing. Let's face it, most of his strip malls will be just fine with or without the downtown core. I expect at least another 4, if not 8 years of regressive thinking to permeate our city. We will continue our free fall until all of the office parks in Southside have gobbled up the remaining land and all the buildings downtown are mostly empty. Well at least FBC will be happy. They won't have to contend with traffic and people getting in their way. Maybe they can buy more cheap real estate and expand even more. They seem to breed politicians there. Maybe they should move city hall to their building and save money, or just go ahead and buy the current city hall building from the city and they could start a whole program raising mayors and city council members. It's very sad to me.
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 04, 2011, 08:04:12 AM
While I appreciate and commend your steadfast committment to Hogans Creek Noone, it is disappointing that it (along with the pier) seem to be the only issues that matter to you in the Mayoral election.
Every cause needs a visible advocate.
I like his approach. The powers that be know him and his crusade, and he remains persistent despite the fact that they do.
KEEP IT UP NOONEY!
I hope Mullaney and Moran endorse a candidate. Even if it is not my candidate of choice . I know it is dangerous politically.
Between 2003 and 2011 was 2008. Which not only saw an African American elected but, important in terms of Jacksonville demographics, saw 2 voter groups previously non decisive in national elections define the outcome (albeit arguably) Young voters 18-25 and african american voters. With jax african american population at twice the national percentage and combined with lower turnout, Alvin Brown has to be respected as a serious alternative to republican domination of Jacksonville mayors job. While i myself supported Alvin and voted for him, no one was more suprised than me in his success in the general primary. This stands to be a really good election because, among other reasons, the choices are so clear cut.
Quote from: buckethead on April 04, 2011, 09:43:51 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 04, 2011, 08:04:12 AM
While I appreciate and commend your steadfast committment to Hogans Creek Noone, it is disappointing that it (along with the pier) seem to be the only issues that matter to you in the Mayoral election.
Every cause needs a visible advocate.
I like his approach. The powers that be know him and his crusade, and he remains persistent despite the fact that they do.
KEEP IT UP NOONEY!
Hogans Creek,Pier is a test for readiness for responsibility.Everything is different now.
It's not over yet.
FBC is nothing more than a political front for the local republican party. Sure there are good and genuine people that go there, but they're just pawns and piggy banks for conservative powers that be.
And if Hogan wins, we might as well just call it Cowford again, or Jackson township.
As usual... It's FBC's fault.
STREETCAR MIKE, STREETCAR!
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: stephendare on April 04, 2011, 02:14:08 PM
Quote from: urbaknight on April 04, 2011, 02:08:05 PM
FBC is nothing more than a political front for the local republican party. Sure there are good and genuine people that go there, but they're just pawns and piggy banks for conservative powers that be.
And if Hogan wins, we might as well just call it Cowford again, or Jackson township.
It was never called either.
hmmmm I was under the impression that Jacksonville WAS once called Cowford..
During Florida's British period, a community grew at the narrow point in the river where cattle crossed, known as Wacca Pilatka to the Indians and Cowford to the British.
Oh, i thougth it was FBC's fault! Stephen, it would more fun to blame them!! geez.
Not to argue the point but I have found many references to Wacca Pilatka on several historical sites including the Jax Historical Socierty and the City of Jacksonvilles own website. Are you saying they are all wrong?
Then I learned something new about my city today. Thanks Stephen for clearing that up. ;D
You make a very good point. Thanks Stephen!
maybe it was just a "nickname"? but nothing official, kind of like Chicago "Windy City"
Anyhow, i was happy the way Mike Hogan handled his general election victory. While i was shocked with the abortion clinic reference, i dont see him as a religious zealot, like say Don Redman. He aknowledged Browns victory and said while both wanted to acheive the same for the city, they just had completely different ways of doing so.
Mike Hogans victory should not be perceived as a disaster. I will reach out and see how he would move forward with our city. As time passes, i dont see Hogan putting a giant cross on City Hall.
While many here would disagree, lets just stay (very) tuned to the mayoral campaign.
Quote from: hillary supporter on April 04, 2011, 04:09:57 PM
Anyhow, i was happy the way Mike Hogan handled his general election victory. While i was shocked with the abortion clinic reference, i dont see him as a religious zealot, like say Don Redman. He aknowledged Browns victory and said while both wanted to acheive the same for the city, they just had completely different ways of doing so.
Mike Hogans victory should not be perceived as a disaster. I will reach out and see how he would move forward with our city. As time passes, i dont see Hogan putting a giant cross on City Hall.
While many here would disagree, lets just stay (very) tuned to the mayoral campaign.
I saw the opposite. He came off as a smug dick-hole during his victory speech all braggadocios about his margin of victory.
Looking forward to alvins story.
Quote from: uptowngirl on April 04, 2011, 08:10:50 AM
Spent the weekend at the Equestrian Center, with Normandy, Wilson, Firestone all filled with Hogan signs on commerical and private properties. They were everywhere, big ones on wooden 4X4s. Saw one Alvin sign, a little one with Hogan's throwing a shadow over it. The Westside obviously belongs to Hogan...
The Westside has seen some substantial demographic shifts over the years that will have more and more influence on election results. I'm never completely sure of the Westside's northern boundaries, so I'll just post some statistics of the area south of I-10:
The middle 80% (by population) of this region -- from Cecil Commerce Center Pkwy to Roosevelt/the Ortega River -- includes 156,000 people at just barely 51% non-hispanic white. Within this area are neighborhoods with some of the largest minority percentages outside of the Northside.
Add in the other 20% of the entire
south-of-I-10 area -- including the considerably whiter neighborhoods of Venetia, Ortega, Fairfax, Avondale, Riverside, and the more rural area west of the CCC Pkwy - and we have a total of 196,000 people with still only a 56% non-hispanic white population. That still comes in just below Duval county's average of 57%.
This aint our parents' Westside, Hogan signs or not. If anything, the area described could be more of a bellwether for the city at large.
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 04, 2011, 08:04:12 AM
While I appreciate and commend your steadfast commitment to Hogans Creek Noone, it is disappointing that it (along with the pier) seem to be the only issues that matter to you in the Mayoral election.
tufsu1- Access to our St. Johns River our American Heritage for the people of Jacksonville is not the only issue in the mayoral election that I'm concerned about. Its number one in my book right now and in my opinion if our current mayor and my city councilman Don Redman and the Dist. 7 city councilman don't step up to the plate right now and continue to make excuses we will be a joke in the state of Florida.
tufsu1 I just want everybody that reads this post to know that you were at one or even more of the Hogans Creek cleanups and brought and paid for a number of supplies that were used in the cleanups. The bags that aren't blue were probably form tufsu1. Thank you.
Also you deserve the credit for identifying that the pier is in Dist.4. Huge pats on the back.
As for the other issues that concern me how about 2005-1007
Pension reform
Pension sustainability
Another today at Rules 2011-167 that is one bill and there are 3 bills with ethics that were a result of the Charter Revision Commission. Richard Clark wants to review because of the election race that he was just involved in.
Look. Be focused. If you think we are getting more access to the river we will be getting less. Shipyards III. And it has nothing to do with Hogan or Brown in my opinion.
tufsu1 you are one talented guy. I'll treat you to Robert's Eatery and you can treat me to the urban transition area that is in Riverside that Charles McBurney and the legislature designated as a special drinking zone. I wish we had that in Dist.4.
Bottom line. I'll just accept access and economic opportunity for everyone to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River. A Federal project.
Quote from: buckethead on April 04, 2011, 09:43:51 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 04, 2011, 08:04:12 AM
While I appreciate and commend your steadfast committment to Hogans Creek Noone, it is disappointing that it (along with the pier) seem to be the only issues that matter to you in the Mayoral election.
Every cause needs a visible advocate.
I like his approach. The powers that be know him and his crusade, and he remains persistent despite the fact that they do.
KEEP IT UP NOONEY!
Buckethead, Thanks for the props. Have you ever been to a Waterways meeting? Love to take you and we'll do our own Show and Tell on Hogans Creek and then I'll treat you at Robert's.
Quote from: north miami on April 04, 2011, 10:27:58 AM
Quote from: buckethead on April 04, 2011, 09:43:51 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 04, 2011, 08:04:12 AM
While I appreciate and commend your steadfast committment to Hogans Creek Noone, it is disappointing that it (along with the pier) seem to be the only issues that matter to you in the Mayoral election.
Every cause needs a visible advocate.
I like his approach. The powers that be know him and his crusade, and he remains persistent despite the fact that they do.
KEEP IT UP NOONEY!
Hogans Creek,Pier is a test for readiness for responsibility.Everything is different now.
NM,
The Pier.
"Jacksonville's Front Porch.....Southern Style.
That just rocks. Market that throughout the world.
It's happening!
With Hogan's stated lack of enthusiasm for downtown redevelopment I don't understand how anyone could think he would support redevelopment of Hogan's Creek or the Pier. Much more likely that Alvin Brown would do so.
Quote from: tayana42 on April 05, 2011, 04:50:07 PM
With Hogan's stated lack of enthusiasm for downtown redevelopment I don't understand how anyone could think he would support redevelopment of Hogan's Creek or the Pier. Much more likely that Alvin Brown would do so.
Maybe he likes the name of the creek! ::)
It might be nice to see more of a side by side comparison of where they stand on specific city issues. Again with Hogan it seems like it's about conservative ideology points, not items that have to do with running a city. What is Hogan going to do besides just cut everything?
QuoteThis stands to be a really good election because, among other reasons, the choices are so clear cut.
Yes, its obvious, its all Hogan.
Listen to reason. No one in the suburbs cares about downtown, and from the numbers of residents downtown, maybe 2,000 total, there are not enough voters in the downtown area or even springfield to make a difference.
If Brown is wiser than the zealots on this board, he will shut-up about downtown. People in Mandarin could care less about downtown. People who go to the Apple store at St. Johns Town Center could care less about downtown and a store there, why? Because every thing they need or want, aside from the beach, is right there in a short amount of space.
Downtown is dead until the next economic revival creates cheap money for developers to expand and add more residences. Until there is more housing downtown, you won't see more shops and more business look to stay there.
So Mr. Brown, speak until you run out of air about downtown, and Hogan will win in a landslide. No one cares outside of urban folks about downtown.
Mr. Brown has been speaking about jobs and him being the one with the connections to get the port done. Mr. Hogan has been preaching the theology of tax cuts (no matter what the rates are now), Second Amendment and sanctity of life. One of the candidates is off topic.
Do not confuse the talk at this site as being something other than the discussion going on at this site.
QuoteMr. Brown has been speaking about jobs and him being the one with the connections to get the port done. Mr. Hogan has been preaching the theology of tax cuts (no matter what the rates are now), Second Amendment and sanctity of life. One of the candidates is off topic.
Do not confuse the talk at this site as being something other than the discussion going on at this site.
Perhaps you need to educate MJ leaders on what Brown is really saying then. Cause they seem to think he can only win if HOGAN loses.
Over the next two days, the front page stories will be dedicated to the official issues identified by both candidates, with detail on how they plan to deal with them. Get some sleep and check back in the morning for Mike Hogan's issues and on Friday for Alvin Brown's.
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 06, 2011, 10:47:30 PM
QuoteThis stands to be a really good election because, among other reasons, the choices are so clear cut.
Yes, its obvious, its all Hogan.
Listen to reason. No one in the suburbs cares about downtown, and from the numbers of residents downtown, maybe 2,000 total, there are not enough voters in the downtown area or even springfield to make a difference.
If Brown is wiser than the zealots on this board, he will shut-up about downtown.
:) I care about Downtown and live in the suburbs. Speak for yourself ,instead of presuming to know all about the people in the Suburbs.. you could be right about some of them .. you could not be more wrong about all of them.
I have plenty of friends of who live in the suburbs. From the far northside, to Town Center to Baldwin. They all express interest in having a fun, vibrant Downtown.
I think that many people in Jacksonville care about downtown. The problem is that they don't know what to do about downtown because there the city's leaders have no clear vision. Downtown, in my opinion, matters because it is more than just the geographic center of things. Downtown should also be the cultural center of our city as well.
Many feel it has been a money pit that we have poured money into instead of a place we have neglected to fund. Many just feel it is hopeless for no good reason other than they believe things will never change. The truth is they always change you just need to direct the change as much as you can.
Right....but to say people in the suburbs, just do not care about downtown is absurd.
QuoteI think that many people in Jacksonville care about downtown. The problem is that they don't know what to do about downtown because there the city's leaders have no clear vision. Downtown, in my opinion, matters because it is more than just the geographic center of things. Downtown should also be the cultural center of our city as well.
Well, I know you are wrong, ;D , and the votes from the last election prove you and everyone else who is holding onto some inane vision of downtown wrong. Moran was your champion and she lost, apparently more westsiders and southsiders have more of a vision of what was important to them with Hogan.
The numbers don't lie. We'll see in May if Brown will have turned downtown into enough of a rallying cry to make a difference. March's numbers show that the candidate who tried to, lost.
I really do not believe the election in March was a referendum on Downtown.
Quote65% of the voters did not vote for the guy who has no vision for downtown.
Pretty stunning actually.
Yeah, we shall see in May, we shall surely see.
Yep we sure will
Sadly, I expect Hogan to win as well. Nobody intolerant of religions should deserve to be in office. It will take a miracle for Alvin to win.
Hang on to your hanky there , justice. you may just get surprised
I saw Hogan today hanging out at one of my favorite lunch places with his network! the smugness just made me want to puke out my lunch!
ehh.. if he wins I will be really suspicious of the number of deceased voters :D
Quote from: fsujax on May 02, 2011, 04:15:33 PM
I saw Hogan today hanging out at one of my favorite lunch places with his network! the smugness just made me want to puke out my lunch!
you should have gone up and said hi
Quote from: fsujax on May 02, 2011, 04:15:33 PM
I saw Hogan today hanging out at one of my favorite lunch places with his network! the smugness just made me want to puke out my lunch!
I want Alvin to win but let's be careful not to demonize Hogan in our mind. Ok so he dreams he can blow up people in healthcare facilities and believes churches feel the same way but don't.....Wait you know what think what you will and do everything you can to get him out of Government.
Does anyone here have some psychic abilities? Specifically the power to touch someone and see into their future? Maybe you fell into a frozen pond as a child and when you awoke discovered this new found capability.
An accurate rifle and strong stomach will be needed as well... if my suspicions are correct.
QuoteI saw Hogan today hanging out at one of my favorite lunch places with his network! the smugness just made me want to puke out my lunch!
If I could have barfed on Brown's shoes at San Juan and Roosevelt, I would have.
wow. a little late on that response, I posted it about two weeks ago!
Quotewow. a little late on that response, I posted it about two weeks ago!
If Brown had been standing at San Juan and Roosevelt 2 weeks ago, I would have posted then too. Sorry, just saw him after my Chick-Fil-A sandwich, I almost hurled it onto he and his posse.
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 17, 2011, 01:00:21 PM
Quotewow. a little late on that response, I posted it about two weeks ago!
If Brown had been standing at San Juan and Roosevelt 2 weeks ago, I would have posted then too. Sorry, just saw him after my Chick-Fil-A sandwich, I almost hurled it onto he and his posse.
Little hot headed MTrain?? This will go in your Concealed Weapon file.
When asked if Jacksonville was ready to elect a black democrat to Mayor the Magic 8 ball responded, " Ask again in 40 years."
http://duvalcartooning.blogspot.com/2011/05/alvin-brown-consults-8-ball.html
Quote from: DuvalCartoonist on May 17, 2011, 01:59:02 PM
When asked if Jacksonville was ready to elect a black democrat to Mayor the Magic 8 ball responded, " Ask again in 40 years."
http://duvalcartooning.blogspot.com/2011/05/alvin-brown-consults-8-ball.html
They said that 15 years ago when we had an election for Sheriff. Seems that turned out quite a bit different then everyone, including this writer, thought it would.
Sure. So let's see if Jacksonville can do it.
But like the Metro pointed out in the piece that started this thread - 8 years ago Nat Glover wasn't able to transform his name recognition and tenure as sheriff into a Mayoral Election victory. So how then will Alvin Brown - sans the name and city experience - be able to pull it off?
Quote from: johnnyroadglide on May 17, 2011, 02:35:17 PM
Quote from: DuvalCartoonist on May 17, 2011, 01:59:02 PM
When asked if Jacksonville was ready to elect a black democrat to Mayor the Magic 8 ball responded, " Ask again in 40 years."
http://duvalcartooning.blogspot.com/2011/05/alvin-brown-consults-8-ball.html
They said that 15 years ago when we had an election for Sheriff. Seems that turned out quite a bit different then everyone, including this writer, thought it would.
+1000. and that was 15 years ago! Brown has a chance!
I hope he has a chance but win or lose we have to deal with what we get. I feel like the Jacksonville voter has been informed that Brown is the better candidate but judging by my office they do not want to hear it.
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Neat Stuff! I am amazed that the board has 4-5 Hogan threads and No Brown threads. Interesting....
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 17, 2011, 03:57:45 PM
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Neat Stuff! I am amazed that the board has 4-5 Hogan threads and No Brown threads. Interesting....
Well, until Brown tries to take his brother-in-law's amateur sports team to Russia at taxpayer expense, or else gives a speech declaring how he wants to bomb abortion clinics, then there's just a lot more to talk about with Hogan.
Quotethen there's just a lot more to talk about with Hogan.
Fer Show! Funny no talk about a DDA either. Anyone give up on Downtown yet? Just checking....
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 17, 2011, 03:57:45 PM
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Neat Stuff! I am amazed that the board has 4-5 Hogan threads and No Brown threads. Interesting....
Why don't you do something useful and start one then ;)
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 17, 2011, 04:02:13 PM
Quotethen there's just a lot more to talk about with Hogan.
Fer Show! Funny no talk about a DDA either. Anyone give up on Downtown yet? Just checking....
You did :)
Quote from: Timkin on May 17, 2011, 04:04:43 PM
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 17, 2011, 03:57:45 PM
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Neat Stuff! I am amazed that the board has 4-5 Hogan threads and No Brown threads. Interesting....
Why don't you do something useful and start one then ;)
Well what would we talk about?
When's the last time Brown bombed an abortion clinic? *crickets*chirping*
Quote from: Timkin on May 17, 2011, 04:05:07 PM
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 17, 2011, 04:02:13 PM
Quotethen there's just a lot more to talk about with Hogan.
Fer Show! Funny no talk about a DDA either. Anyone give up on Downtown yet? Just checking....
You did :)
Zing!
Not something I would be proud of , as a candidate
Quote from: johnnyroadglide on May 17, 2011, 02:35:17 PM
Quote from: DuvalCartoonist on May 17, 2011, 01:59:02 PM
When asked if Jacksonville was ready to elect a black democrat to Mayor the Magic 8 ball responded, " Ask again in 40 years."
http://duvalcartooning.blogspot.com/2011/05/alvin-brown-consults-8-ball.html
They said that 15 years ago when we had an election for Sheriff. Seems that turned out quite a bit different then everyone, including this writer, thought it would.
Well, i am sure that you hate to say I told you so but you told me so.
I have appropriately linked up the 8 ball and Mr. Brown again this morning -- despite the outstanding absentee and provisional count which is ongoing.
http://duvalcartooning.blogspot.com/2011/05/alvin-brown-magic-8-ball-part-2.html