Election Day: What If Jacksonville Suddenly Woke Up?
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Election day has finally arrived, giving us an opportunity to move in the right direction. With vision and strong leadership, we can finally begin to benefit from many of the ideas discussed here on a daily basis. Some say, Jacksonville is a diamond that wants to remain coal. What would it be like if Jacksonville were a city that didn't hate itself... led by people who acknowledged its achievements?
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http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2011-mar-election-day-what-if-jacksonville-suddenly-woke-up
We can't erase the past but today is the best opportunity for change.
What is mind-boggling to me is how few people care. I read that we had 78% voter turnout for the presidential election in 2008 and will be lucky to get 30% voter turnout today. Yet, arguably the local election has a far greater impact on quality of life in Jacksonville than national politics.
The problem in Jacksonville is not the wealthy Republicans - it is the 70% who don't vote.
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I read that we had 78% voter turnout for the presidential election in 2008 and will be lucky to get 30% voter turnout today. Yet, arguably the local election has a far greater impact on quality of life in Jacksonville than national politics.
The problem in Jacksonville is not the wealthy Republicans - it is the 70% who don't vote.
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The election process simply a chapter buried within the larger narrative.See the recent "What to do with the Shipyards?" March 20-21 posts.The public exhibits a propensity to not act in the face of the fabricated images of"Inevitable" spun by others,almost as if by design.A giant sleeping pill.
The fact that by many accounts we have here now for the first time in a long time a 'competitive' slate of candidates suggests that we are awake,snapping strings and attempting to stand up.
After Mike Hogan is elected, the right wing voters of Jacksonville will "tea party" like it's 1859.
Quote from: copperfiend on March 22, 2011, 09:21:51 AM
After Mike Hogan is elected, the right wing voters of Jacksonville will "tea party" like it's 1859.
LoL.
Jerry Holland indicating that voter turnout is near all-time lows so far today.
Floridiots, wake up! Ya'll can make a difference if ya'll just cared a little bit. If you guys (I'm tired of making fun of the southern accent) cared about your city half as much as you care about American Idol, your cars, strip malls, condo subdivisions, and other superficial pop culture bullshit, we can have a great city for ourselves! Get off your fat, lazy, apathetic asses and vote! Some countries mandate their citizens to vote. People that you support going to war are dying for our right to vote! Now, show our great men and women in uniform some respect!!! >:(
That last post was directed to those that contributed in the city's downfall. And not to the well rounded people of this forum.
Quote from: urbaknight on March 22, 2011, 11:19:12 AM
And not to the well rounded people of this forum.
Are you making fun of our figures? ;D
Quote from: Dog Walker on March 22, 2011, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: urbaknight on March 22, 2011, 11:19:12 AM
And not to the well rounded people of this forum.
Are you making fun of our figures? ;D
Hey! I'm in shape!
...round is a shape...
My polling place in Springfiled was dead at 8:15 this morning.
Quote from: danno on March 22, 2011, 11:33:29 AM
My polling place in Springfiled was dead at 8:15 this morning.
I went in and voted around 9am, the machine read only 37 at that point.
Wishful thinking. The campaigners say one thing while campaigning and when they get into office they go in the opposite direction. Guess they see things we don't that prohibit them from following through with their promises. I am not in the City to vote, so I say, good luck Jacksonville and hope that you do finally wake up; remember, better late than never!
"HU"
The problem is that the people of Jacksonville just plain don't care.
When I talk to older people - musicians, artists, businessowners - and ask for advice in becoming a successful artist, the first thing I hear is "leave Jacksonville." My college professors tried to tell me the same thing and I didn't listen.
I wish I had. I'll be voting today but I don't think I'll be here for the next election.
I saw about five people placing their vote at my polling location this morning around 8. When I signed my name, I was the only person with "D" in their last name to do so, at least at that point.
I take my child with me- so will be voting around 3PM, but the numbers they are reporting are sad, 26K ??? Really? Shame on Jacksonville!
I was at my polling location right at 8, and there were about 10 people there not including the poll workers. Only one other person in the J's, and they had early-voted.
26K only? There are more election signs posted around than that!
We actually have a bunch of new, good people running; choices for once not just "lesser-of-two-evils". I actually had trouble choosing between some of them this time.
First Coast news in reporting 26K as of Noon, and I beleive 45K in early voting, so with 800K + residents it is a pretty sad showing.
Do these turnout figures count early voting?
Easier for the MetroJacksonville.com folks to be a real power player.
Just went to my poll location and found I was moved :-\ - Now I'm going to have to leave work early to beat closing time.
Beautifully written essay, Stephen.
That could be the signature speech for Jacksonville.
More people need to read it.
Heck... It isn't at all right or left. It's an essay about our fair city, and the contributions made to humanity right from our streets.
We need to infiltrate the chain email circuit, and give it some exposure.
Copied, pasted, forwarded.
I need someone who have a REALLY good voice, a great photo collection of Jacksonville's contribution and history, and time to create a great video based directly from the article.
Who do I need to get a permission from to create this video using this article and photos?
-Josh
I could see that movie maybe a Chad Hendricks film.
My precinct normally has one of the higher turnouts during elections. Today, at 8:15 AM, I was the only one there. The poll workers said it wasn't much better before I arrived. And, they confirmed the early voting for the precinct was also light.
For anyone who thinks their vote doesn't count, this election could show otherwise. If only 10% of the electorate (516,000 registered) votes, and there is only a 1 % difference between a winner and loser, then about 500 votes out of some 850,000 or so citizens in Duval County could determine the county wide races. For City Council districts, it could be less than 35 people. Given that I have influenced at least 7 votes today, I feel like a king maker! ;D
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 22, 2011, 02:04:05 PM
I could see that movie maybe a Chad Hendricks film.
Chad makes great films, but I think his style would not suit it well unless he is up for the challenge to go out of his box.
-Josh
WJXT is reporting an expected turnout of 26%. Using your 516,000 figure above that would be 134,000 people. Going off of the number of early voting, absentee voting, and voting though 10:30 this morning, 71,000 have voted so far. That would put us at the half way point roughly.
My fiance and I are voting this evening after work. Do more people generally vote then? Otherwise the turnout will be closer to 20%.
I just had 4 different co-workers on 3 different occasions ask me what I was voting for when they saw my I voted sticker.
I said really?? They had no clue. Funny thing was that they were in the break room talking about American Idol.
I voted at 7:45 this morning. I was the only voter there. It was kinda sad. Now that I think about it, I've been voting since 1987 in all sorts of elections and I can't remember ever being the only voter in a polling place.
I really hate standing in lines, but I have to say it's pretty exciting to stand there and have to patiently wait to cast my vote. I often see voters who clearly support candidates that I didn't like, but I am always happy for them - happy that they are participating in the process. I can only hope that the best candidate wins - even if it's not the one I voted for.
^^oh wow. that is a sad.
I wish they'd change voting day on sat...it makes absolutley no sense to make any voting day a week day...they should be on days that the majority of the people have off.
Yea, like an local event such as a concert where politicians can rally up supports then tell everyone to go VOTE on a Saturday! I can imagine that... Hahaha!
-Josh
QuoteFunny thing was that they were in the break room talking about American Idol.
I bet they vote for that... ::)
Quote from: Garden guy on March 22, 2011, 03:01:04 PM
I wish they'd change voting day on sat...it makes absolutley no sense to make any voting day a week day...they should be on days that the majority of the people have off.
Why? It would change nothing. We have early voting so you already CAN vote on a saturday.
we just got back from the Woman's Club (our Springfield voting location) there was one person in line and one person voting that is it. They said even Springfield had been slow, but busier than other places. Come on Springfielders!!!
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 22, 2011, 03:26:04 PM
Quote from: Garden guy on March 22, 2011, 03:01:04 PM
I wish they'd change voting day on sat...it makes absolutley no sense to make any voting day a week day...they should be on days that the majority of the people have off.
Why? It would change nothing. We have early voting so you already CAN vote on a saturday.
Well if we made voting day a special day maybe eventually the children that see some saturday event as a good thing maybe we'd have more people turning out..it's just to sad to see such a low turn out for elections that really mean something close at home...city voting day should be like a city holiday.
Quote from: Garden guy on March 22, 2011, 03:39:10 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 22, 2011, 03:26:04 PM
Quote from: Garden guy on March 22, 2011, 03:01:04 PM
I wish they'd change voting day on sat...it makes absolutley no sense to make any voting day a week day...they should be on days that the majority of the people have off.
Why? It would change nothing. We have early voting so you already CAN vote on a saturday.
Well if we made voting day a special day maybe eventually the children that see some saturday event as a good thing maybe we'd have more people turning out..it's just to sad to see such a low turn out for elections that really mean something close at home...city voting day should be like a city holiday.
Meh. IMO, if you make it a 'holiday,' that gives the unwashed, unvoting masses one more day to plan stuff to do that doesn't involve actually voting.
Like Memorial Day. For the masses, it's another day off to do stuff that isn't related to the actual point of the holiday.
Voters only need to care. If they care, they will go to the polls early, at lunch time, or after work. Or do early voting, which is pretty darn convenient!
I must say, I'm new to the area and I've been more excited about this election than the ones in 2008 or 2010, so you bet I showed up. ;D
Most companies will allow employees to take time to go and vote, check your Employee Handbook. Ours allows for 1.5 hours off to vote as long as you schedule it in advance.
Not to say that actually helps since I'm the only person I've seen with an "I Voted" sticker at my office.
wsansewjs
I don't have a James Earl Jones baritone voice but I think its pretty good after 15 years in radio and tv. I do YouTube promos and voice overs for myself and for a couple charities I support. I would be happy to be your voice on this project. Sounds like fun.
John
Quote from: johnnyroadglide on March 22, 2011, 04:15:58 PM
wsansewjs
I don't have a James Earl Jones baritone voice but I think its pretty good after 15 years in radio and tv. I do YouTube promos and voice overs for myself and for a couple charities I support. I would be happy to be your voice on this project. Sounds like fun.
John
That would be a fantastic start! I just need to ask Stephen or one of the MetroJacksonville folks for their full permission to create this video with the epic voiceover, music, and amazing photos.
-Josh
Quote from: Bativac on March 22, 2011, 12:05:30 PM
The problem is that the people of Jacksonville just plain don't care.
When I talk to older people - musicians, artists, businessowners - and ask for advice in becoming a successful artist, the first thing I hear is "leave Jacksonville." My college professors tried to tell me the same thing and I didn't listen.
I wish I had. I'll be voting today but I don't think I'll be here for the next election.
It would be intresting to track voter turnout and trends state wide and nation wide.Add that to the MJ Subject List Stephen!
Miami just made history in throwing a Mayor out but I do not recall the turn out percentage.And in this case the politician was thrown out not due to the typical blatant law breaking that has been the demise of so many but largely 'just because' of no real substantive gravity-like pay raises for some.The recall effort heavily bank rolled by a lone wealthy individual.And like the stories unfolding over seas.....no real knowns as to what the electorate will end up with.
No doubt many that could or would make a difference have either opted not to move to Jacksonville or have moved OUT.
As a matter of strategic policy I have always had one foot out the door.I am not alone.
I will say GG, that everyone that was in voting while I was had their children with them. Most of the mommies in my neighborhood bring their kids to vote with them. It is important. My daughter discussed all the pros and cons of every candidate today, we even had a conversation about negative ads- it was inspiring.
Around what time should we know the results??
Jerry Holland says they will release (or maybe run) the early and absentee votes at 7:30. Then precincts will trickle in from around the city for in-person voters today. We'll get a picture from the first numbers. The full story will be told hopefully no later than 9. Maybe 10.
I am at my location now and there is a line for my last name (H-P). Also the places I drove by after work seemed to have a good crowd.
There's been a slight uptick in voting since 4:30. We might break 30%. Or come close.
Is Alvin Brown going to pull an upset tonight? While Mullaney and Moran were knocking each other, he may be sneaking in to #2. If he holds it, the post election analysis should be interesting. And, I am surprised and to see Hogan getting over 1/3 the votes given the statements he made and the debates he ducked during the campaign. If he runs against Brown, a Democrat, can he lose?
One thing for sure, MJ voters aren't typical of the electorate based on the MJ poll and various posts. And, so much for MJ influencing the outcome.
^ MJ did not endorse a candidate.
Alvin has done a great job and I would be happy if he ended up being our mayor. I would rather see Audrey win tonight as I still believe she would beat Hogan in a run off. It will be nice if Hogan has to debate Alvin one on one. Talk about a beat down.
I gathered a lot of folks here liked Alvin Brown. Perhaps a lot of democrats are turning out to vote? It's a pretty close race for the second place spot, that's for sure.
Quote from: Lunican on March 22, 2011, 08:37:06 PM
^ MJ did not endorse a candidate.
Cop out as a community at MJ we clearly rejected Hogan.
Well, that's true.
the precinct map is interesting
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/FL/Duval/28068/43323/en/md.html?cid=10
The Springfeild vote looks like it has not reported yet.
Can't believe Hogan's so far ahead, either. Dodging debates, having no platform except "I promise to cut taxes", yapping on and on needlessly about abortion...
I do not believe that Brown has a chance of beating Hogan in a run-off. I hope I'm wrong. Hogan's the ONLY really bad candidate in this race, and he's freaking winning.
Interesting to note MetroJacksonville.com's all time high for people online was just before 9pm last night. Perhaps people were trying to make their decisions and using this site as a resource.
Quote from: Lunican on March 22, 2011, 08:37:06 PM
^ MJ did not endorse a candidate.
I didn't say MJ endorsed anyone. But, many of its posters did and there was that MJ "poll". Some MJers also speculated that discussion on MJ might influence the results. I was simply putting all that into "perspective".
It would make Jacksonville history to rival Nat Glover's election, if Brown, an African-American Democrat can beat Hogan, a Tea Party Republican in a very red city. Let's assume all of Mullaney's supporters lean Hogan and alll of Moran's and the others lean Brown. It would be a 51/49 race based on tonight's action to date. It would probably come down to who gets out the votes best.
Speaking of turnout, this is another interesting map:
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/FL/Duval/28068/43325/en/vt.html
Is that the beaches getting 50% turnout?
Alvin's success tonight could inspire some voter turn out for the run off. Democrat who did not previously believe there was a chance. Wishful thinking I guess.
The Weavers were just shown on channel 4 and were very outspoken about the voter turnout. I am surprised how vocal they are, and I am sure there will some backlash.
Runoff: Mulaney votes go to Hogan, Moran votes split, Lee votes go to Brown, NPA votes split.
Results: Mayor Hogan.
Read em and weep.
Quote from: buckethead on March 22, 2011, 09:23:47 PM
Runoff: Mulaney votes go to Hogan, Moran votes split, Lee votes go to Brown, NPA votes split.
Results: Mayor Hogan.
Read em and weep.
The wild card would be if they debate there will be no denying who is more capable.
with about 500 votes remaining to be counted and Brown up about 2500, looks like he will face Hogan.
The big story was low turnout.
They said that 48% of the voters were democrats. Hopefully that turnout will increase for Brown with the run off and enough Moran supporters can also jump in to support him.
^ I see this as a positive. Democrats obviously want change and hopefully this creates momentum. Like it or not, race will play a part in the runoff. Perhaps African Americans will seize the moment. I'm also guessing most Moran voters will vote Brown. I know I will be. Anyone but Hogan!
This is going to be a repeat of Peyton/Glover... I bet Hogan gets 58% of the vote in May.
Mullaney's negative ads did this city in b/c it turned off people to Moran. The Jacksonville we want has suffered a big setback today.
Who will be our next mayor? That's simple. Whoever gets the 70% of eligible voting adults who live in Duval country to vote, wins.
If neither candidate can get those 70% of nonvoters to vote, it's probably a Hogan win.
The average adult who lived in Jacksonville didn't vote today. It's as simple as that.
I'm not done fighting!
mullaney sucks- killed jax, Hogan, more of the same and sheeple of the burbs voted it. Even in the Hood the self haters voted for losers like gaffney what can you do? Oh wait I am smart and get it I can LEAVE JAX and know I have better. Hell have been nagged to leave by my INTERNATIONAL company....Time to go, and it certainly cannot be too soon. Living all around the world these are the most ignorant voters I have seen. Even my own friends and neighbors did not show up to vote. And so many I talked to tonight did not know even more than one candidate. Welcome to the next four yrs of Peyton #3! Sad, but in this day and age you cannot fix ignorance like this.....
Quote from: fieldafm on March 22, 2011, 09:39:50 PM
This is going to be a repeat of Peyton/Glover... I bet Hogan gets 58% of the vote in May.
Mullaney's negative ads did this city in b/c it turned off people to Moran. The Jacksonville we want has suffered a big setback today.
I was all set to go to bed, but then I decided to check here. I think I'm going to be sick. What is wrong with the people of this town?
It's over. I am out of of here. Looking for new jobs tomorrow! This is truly a sad night.
Some takeaways on this result:
-Money doesn't always win elections. The two biggest fund raisers lost.
-Endorsements don't always count for much. Moran, in particular, had most of the big ones and still lost.
-Having a rock solid core base that will give you unflinching and blind love regardless of your deficiencies goes a long way to make up for lack of money, organization, endorsements, and attending public forums. Hogan and Brown missed more forums and debates than Mullaney and Moran and yet here we are.
-Low voter turnout depreciates the chances for moderate-middle candidates.
-Differentiate from all the candidates, not just one of them. Neither Mullaney or Moran took on Hogan or Brown as aggressively as they pursued each other. This hurt them and helped Hogan and Brown.
-Run a more aggressive campaign and start it earlier. Mullaney and Moran, perhaps, were too "polite" and then when they weren't it was toward each other. I think Moran especially missed an opportunity to more aggressively hammer her opponents and exploit their weaknesses on a variety of issues.
-I thought Moran, in particular, had weak TV ads. She didn't look the camera in the eye, didn't come right out and say give me your vote, I need it, or otherwise tried to engage the viewer. Hogan and Moran both had ads in this vein. And, I didn't think they were successful enough in distinguishing her on her strong points and her opposition's weak points. Her robo-calls seemed more aggressive.
-If Hogan wins, be prepared for shadow mayor and Tea Party zealot, Tony Sleiman, to cash in his chips.
-Brown's support by the map mirrored Glover's against Peyton. Be prepared for a possible rerun. Pundits are already saying Brown must run a bigger campaign to win the uphill battle against Hogan. I don't give him much of a chance to pull it off but then I didn't see him making the runoff either.
-Don't ever underestimate the shallowness of the voters (and non-voters), especially in Jacksonville.
Quote from: fsujax on March 22, 2011, 10:15:00 PM
It's over. I am out of of here. Looking for new jobs tomorrow! This is truly a sad night.
But you knew deep down this was going to happen, didn't you? I know I did.
I am bitterly disappointed. Audrey would have been an exceptional mayor.
Unfortunately, it is time to move on. I was impressed with Alvin's answers during the debates and will be supporting him in the final round.
If anyone from Alvin's campaign is reading this, I hope that you will encourage him to come on the forum and engage our community in discussion.
Quote from: peestandingup on March 22, 2011, 10:23:24 PM
Quote from: fsujax on March 22, 2011, 10:15:00 PM
It's over. I am out of of here. Looking for new jobs tomorrow! This is truly a sad night.
But you knew deep down this was going to happen, didn't you? I know I did.
No, I actually thought this would be different. Maybe because I finally had moved back here and thought I could have some meaningful effect. But jeez I am so pissed and angry right now.
Quote from: dougskiles on March 22, 2011, 10:24:51 PM
I am bitterly disappointed. Audrey would have been an exceptional mayor.
Unfortunately, it is time to move on. I was impressed with Alvin's answers during the debates and will be supporting him in the final round.
If anyone from Alvin's campaign is reading this, I hope that you will encourage him to come on the forum and engage our community in discussion.
I'm with you doug, but the vast majority of the people I tried to convince to vote for someone decent will NEVER vote for anyone with a (D) next to their name on the ballot.
Quote from: fsujax on March 22, 2011, 10:15:00 PM
It's over. I am out of of here. Looking for new jobs tomorrow! This is truly a sad night.
Lord, so true and maybbe the first time we have ever agreed-Dt and core is always doomed here so screw them, lets go, are companies want us to anyway-they know backasswards when they see it!
Quote from: Lucasjj on March 22, 2011, 09:09:51 PM
The Weavers were just shown on channel 4 and were very outspoken about the voter turnout. I am surprised how vocal they are, and I am sure there will some backlash.
they were even more vocal in the room itself...folks would not like what they said
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 22, 2011, 09:03:48 PM
Alvin's success tonight could inspire some voter turn out for the run off. Democrat who did not previously believe there was a chance. Wishful thinking I guess.
turnout for Democrats was higher than expected on the northside...that may because of teh race for Sherriff (Jefferson did better than I thought he would)....but since there Rutherford got 59%, that race won't be on the ballot in May...so turnout for Mayor will likely also be lower
Quote from: tufsu1 on March 22, 2011, 11:05:26 PM
Quote from: Lucasjj on March 22, 2011, 09:09:51 PM
The Weavers were just shown on channel 4 and were very outspoken about the voter turnout. I am surprised how vocal they are, and I am sure there will some backlash.
they were even more vocal in the room itself...folks would not like what they said
Wonder if the outcome of the election would give the Weaver's pause about their future commitment to Jacksonville and leaving the Jag's here. The Jags need a progressive community that attracts higher wage jobs to provide the premium and corporate ticket and sponsorship deals. Hogan could kill all that. Can you see Hogan talking with Bill Gates about relocating Microsoft to Jax? Ouch!
Quote from: Mueller on March 22, 2011, 10:25:49 PM
Quote from: peestandingup on March 22, 2011, 10:23:24 PM
Quote from: fsujax on March 22, 2011, 10:15:00 PM
It's over. I am out of of here. Looking for new jobs tomorrow! This is truly a sad night.
But you knew deep down this was going to happen, didn't you? I know I did.
No, I actually thought this would be different. Maybe because I finally had moved back here and thought I could have some meaningful effect. But jeez I am so pissed and angry right now.
Ah, if there's one thing I've def learned from living in this town for 4 years, studying its history, watching its people & the way things work in general, it's to never get your hopes up. Things have remained the same here for decades it would seem & I don't believe its something thats gonna change anytime soon. At least nothing that I'd feel comfortable waiting around 10 or 20 years for. Not when there's plenty of other fish in the sea.
People like us are way WAY outnumbered here. And most of the community are asleep, slaves to this system we're built here for ourselves, or just bumpkins who don't know any better. Sad, but true. Not saying they're bad people, they can like what they like. And if they want a city to be this way & are fine with it, then more power to them. But like I said, life's too short to be fighting so hard & not seeing much results.
There are a ton of bright people on these boards that I feel could really excel in a town that isn't purposely trying to hold them back. Some places just simply don't mesh well with certain people. That's all.
Quote from: stjr on March 22, 2011, 10:18:46 PM
Some takeaways on this result:
-Money doesn't always win elections. The two biggest fund raisers lost.
-Endorsements don't always count for much. Moran, in particular, had most of the big ones and still lost.
-Having a rock solid core base that will give you unflinching and blind love regardless of your deficiencies goes a long way to make up for lack of money, organization, endorsements, and attending public forums. Hogan and Brown missed more forums and debates than Mullaney and Moran and yet here we are.
-Low voter turnout depreciates the chances for moderate-middle candidates.
-Differentiate from all the candidates, not just one of them. Neither Mullaney or Moran took on Hogan or Brown as aggressively as they pursued each other. This hurt them and helped Hogan and Brown.
-Run a more aggressive campaign and start it earlier. Mullaney and Moran, perhaps, were too "polite" and then when they weren't it was toward each other. I think Moran especially missed an opportunity to more aggressively hammer her opponents and exploit their weaknesses on a variety of issues.
-I thought Moran, in particular, had weak TV ads. She didn't look the camera in the eye, didn't come right out and say give me your vote, I need it, or otherwise tried to engage the viewer. Hogan and Moran both had ads in this vein. And, I didn't think they were successful enough in distinguishing her on her strong points and her opposition's weak points. Her robo-calls seemed more aggressive.
-If Hogan wins, be prepared for shadow mayor and Tea Party zealot, Tony Sleiman, to cash in his chips.
-Brown's support by the map mirrored Glover's against Peyton. Be prepared for a possible rerun. Pundits are already saying Brown must run a bigger campaign to win the uphill battle against Hogan. I don't give him much of a chance to pull it off but then I didn't see him making the runoff either.
-Don't ever underestimate the shallowness of the voters (and non-voters), especially in Jacksonville.
I have to agree with the bolded in particular. She was by far the best CANDIDATE but I don't know if she ran the best CAMPAIGN. Her one ad with voters just nodding at everything she was saying was really dumb. She needed one ad of her just coming out and saying this is who I am, what I'll do and why you should vote for me. Probably would've clinched 2nd for her. And she should've been more agressive in taking on Hogan with regards to pensions for the cops and firemen.
Hummm. So I guess this means a new landing deal will get worked out once Hogan takes office?
SOO tue peeing man! Time to move on. I would be surprised if anyone with half a brain is still here on these boards in two years! I guess the only good news is Kim Daniels was losing when I finally turned the TV off. I amsure by morning, although I am sure then hate filled woman will be in first place by the end of the night based on JAX's self hatred....
uptowngirl...Daniels may have some hate (and used to be a prostiture)...but her opponent's tagline is "Faith, Family, Fiscal Responsibility"...I doubt he'll be much different from some of our current council members
Quote from: uptowngirl on March 22, 2011, 11:24:24 PM
SOO tue peeing man! Time to move on. I would be surprised if anyone with half a brain is still here on these boards in two years! I guess the only good news is Kim Daniels was losing when I finally turned the TV off. I amsure by morning, although I am sure then hate filled woman will be in first place by the end of the night based on JAX's self hatred....
LMAO @ "peeing man". I'm gonna use that I think.
Hey, mods! Can I change my username?? ;D
Quote from: peestandingup on March 22, 2011, 11:28:23 PM
Quote from: uptowngirl on March 22, 2011, 11:24:24 PM
SOO tue peeing man! Time to move on. I would be surprised if anyone with half a brain is still here on these boards in two years! I guess the only good news is Kim Daniels was losing when I finally turned the TV off. I amsure by morning, although I am sure then hate filled woman will be in first place by the end of the night based on JAX's self hatred....
LMAO @ "peeing man". I'm gonna use that I think.
Hey, mods! Can I change my username?? ;D
I thought you might '-)
Quote from: futurejax on March 22, 2011, 11:22:48 PM
I have to agree with the bolded in particular. She was by far the best CANDIDATE but I don't know if she ran the best CAMPAIGN. Her one ad with voters just nodding at everything she was saying was really dumb. She needed one ad of her just coming out and saying this is who I am, what I'll do and why you should vote for me. Probably would've clinched 2nd for her. And she should've been more agressive in taking on Hogan with regards to pensions for the cops and firemen.
I didnt like her campaign and accordingly didnt support her candidancy. I was prepared to vote for her as mayor over Hogan, which would have been my first vote for a republican.
Listening to all the candidates and media concerning the crisis in Jacksonville, i feel the problem facing our city is jobs. I thought Alvin Brown had the most experience in this. But maybe it was because he focused on it as an issue. While Audrey mentioned it, she didnt go into depth about it. And Mullaney cut into her support. Their was just too many republicans in the race. She also couldnt cut into the democrats enough. But she did the best she could.
Did a little cruise through avondale after the Cummer Art Gallery today. The wifey grew up there, and we will somtimes ride by her old home.
I noticed plenty of Audrey signage, and a few Hogan. Almost without exception the Hogan signs were accompanied by Davis signs.
WHERE'S JAKE GODBOLD WHEN YOU NEED HIM!!!!!?????!!!!!
Wooooooooooow Jacksonville???? Wow!! Man.....this has to be a real salty taste. I guess I should have known which ever person that gets love on this site would get the minority vote. Proves my theory again. Just left Jacksonville.com....now Im like wow.
Quote from: stjr on March 22, 2011, 08:34:56 PM
Is Alvin Brown going to pull an upset tonight? While Mullaney and Moran were knocking each other, he may be sneaking in to #2. If he holds it, the post election analysis should be interesting. And, I am surprised and to see Hogan getting over 1/3 the votes given the statements he made and the debates he ducked during the campaign. If he runs against Brown, a Democrat, can he lose?
One thing for sure, MJ voters aren't typical of the electorate based on the MJ poll and various posts. And, so much for MJ influencing the outcome.
Im not sure if that was meant to be funny, but it is FUNNY. The MetroJacksonville thinker is a minority thinker in Jacksonville. Most people on this site want ideas & concepts the average Jax citizen does not even know exist.....its a bummer too. Mike Hogan will be yalls next mayor. He seems worse than Peyton. What a waste
I think I'm going to be sick
I am sick :-(
I am actually for the first time in 10 years , thinking about relocating :( . I was so hopeful we would get an appreciable decent change... and looks like we have at least 4 more years of the same bs we have endured the last 18-20. :(
Quote from: Timkin on March 23, 2011, 12:49:15 AM
I am actually for the first time in 10 years , thinking about relocating :( . I was so hopeful we would get an appreciable decent change... and looks like we have at least 4 more years of the same bs we have endured the last 18-20. :(
Naw its not the same bs it a lot worse than that. Alvin Brown is going to get vaporized. Jax just lost 10 years of civic progress in ONE DAY! I mean this guy didnt love the city enough to even debate for the job. Northsiders not voting for "crackers" People not turning out, I heard the Weaver sound bite on foxsportsradio on the net, I was hoping for an NFL LOCKOUT, but I say start training camp like RIGHT NOW! The Jags owner is irritated with the citizens & dude has every right to be. How did Jax go from Delaney to Mike Hogan who does not even love the City of Jacksonville? Its just job for Hogan. New Convention Center? New Transit station? more development downtown.....kiss those ideas goodbye! Even Charlie Sheen would be better for Jax, at least he likes WINNING.
Yeah were screwed.
Its kinda how I felt of having eight years of bush (not a good feeling at all). But just as the presidential elections, what the hell can you really do but accept it and hope for the best, or pack up and leave
Well I could go on about how sick I feel right now and how bad the nightmares were last night, but hell lets now try to make Brown mayor. I really do not want to find out what 'small government' or 'where the hell is our mayor?' could be like.
QuoteI am actually for the first time in 10 years , thinking about relocating .
Saddest thing I have heard all day. Don't go? Who will tell me I am being insensitive to tearing down buildings?
QuoteYeah were screwed.
I guess DuvalDude will soon become ClayDude? St.JohnsDude? There are 64 other possibilities in FL. I wish you the best!
GO HOGAN!!!!!
The city needs diversity. If those of you who are disappointed with the results leave and travel to a like minded locale, how does that build diversity?
You can't rip group think ("sheeple") and then decide you are going somewhere else where they think just like you.
How diverse is that?
Who is going to keep the new administration honest and kept to the point?
Who is going to articulate the needs of the "artist, musician, small business owner" going forward?
Maybe one should convince in a compelling fashion how important those needs are in the fabric of the overall city. Not just rant about not getting what you want. Believers in a city accept its shortcomings and don't lose hope in promoting a diverse agenda. Your goals may not be THE goals, but this is what adds to the diversity of the city over the long term.
Your presence actually makes the city stronger, not weaker.
I am baffled that Moran had support from Austin and Godbold, but apparently people who have moved here over the last 8 years have no idea who they are and nor what they stand for. Maybe old people do not motivate young people's minds. The voter apathy was atrocious, I will agree with everyone on that, but still the message was poor from all candidates to get the amount who turned out.
Quote from: mtraininjax on March 23, 2011, 08:14:59 AM
QuoteI am actually for the first time in 10 years , thinking about relocating .
Saddest thing I have heard all day. Don't go? Who will tell me I am being insensitive to tearing down buildings?
:) Mtrain you never change do you
Is the Republican Party in Jacksonville damaged by this outcome, or will it rally and not be fragmented like it appears to be now? There was a lot of money and influence in different camps and there seems to be some bruised egos.
I have talked with some prominent Republican backers of both Moran and Mullaney today. Not one said they planned to back Hogan. That's how disgusted they are with his positions it appears. If they support Alvin Brown, it may not get him elected, but it will say a lot about how repulsive Hogan's campaign is to people in his own party. Kind of like Rick Scott's. Imagine, if you can't unify your own party, how will you unify and lead the entire City?
good point
QuoteI have talked with some prominent Republican backers of both Moran and Mullaney today. Not one said they planned to back Hogan. That's how disgusted they are with his positions it appears. If they support Alvin Brown, it may not get him elected, but it will say a lot about how repulsive Hogan's campaign is to people in his own party. Kind of like Rick Scott's. Imagine, if you can't unify your own party, how will you unify and lead the entire City?
Yeah, sure, just like what happened when McCollum lost the primary to Scott, all the republicans for the Attorney General poo-poo'd Scott, hemmed, hawed, but when it came to brass tacks, they all got on board and fought the party line and beat up on Sink along party lines. Had they not, Sink would have easily won.
Lots of time between now and May 17. I did not even know who I was voting for until the Friday before the election, so a poll today is as valuable as the Straw Poll taken at the Hyatt that one fateful night earlier this year.