Report: Del Rio will be back
Posted by Mike Florio on January 3, 2011, 4:24 PM EST
After owner Wayne Weaver declined to discuss coach Jack Del Rio’s future and Del Rio’s season-ending press conference was postponed, things didn’t look good for the man who has patrolled the sidelines in Jacksonville for the last eight years, winning 66 games and losing 65.
According to the Associated Press, Del Rio will return for a ninth.
It makes sense, in light of the team’s revised press conference schedule. Weaver will meet with the media at 5:30 p.m. ET, and Del Rio will conduct his press conference at 10:00 a.m. ET Tuesday. If Del Rio was no longer going to be an employee of the organization, he wouldn’t have been conducting a press conference announced by the team.
Thus, Weaver will make the formal announcement at 5:30 p.m. ET and take the heat from anyone in the local media who may be inclined to question Weaver aggressively regarding his decision to continue to employ Del Rio despite three years without a playoff appearance.
In the end, the move surely was influenced by the $5 million salary due to Del Rio in 2011 and 2012. Also, the possibility of a lockout that stretches deep into the offseason and possibly into September would limit dramatically the access a new coach will have to his new team.
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Here's to another .500 season regardless of coaches Jags still have alot of holes to fill. We have a tougher schedule next season. For some reason I have always felt that Del Rio trys to keep every game close and try t win with a last minute field goal. I also think the run, run offense is a recipe for disaster with DG as the QB, because when you(Jags) fall behind more than 10 points the game is basically over. DG is not going turn into Manning or Brady in the 4th qtr. A better defense though can hide some of DG handicaps I say that because were unlikely to get a QB in the draft with so many other team ahead of us in the draft also needing QBs. And a new QB will need time to develop anyway.
Del Rio staying is not too surprising to me. He seem to have the players backing, and JDR still had alot of money on his contract. I'm not big on JDR, but I'm still locked in for two more years with the 30/30. IMO everyone who says "I'm not going to anymore games" (Like I've heard some on the radio say) because of that is not a true fans. If you don't like what's going on, go to the game and boo, but to say "I'm not going anymore", well you never were a fan from the beginning; That's the difference between mature NFL fans like Pittsburgh, and the college mentality that alot in this city have.
I'm not big on predicting team wins and losses on a schedule where games that will be played nine months from now. The whole supposed "murders row" schedule thing is overrated to me; Just like a supposed "easy" schedule can be filled with a buncha ascending teams, so it's all a crapshoot, and not to mention the unforseen future key player additions, and losses for the Jags. How many people would've had the Jags to beat the almighty Cowboys in Dallas? There's a whole alot that can change from now all the way til then.
Yep. And unlike players, coaches contracts are guaranteed, meaning WW is on the hook to JDR for 10M either way. Guess what else boys and girls, judging from Gene Smith's comments, I wouldn't be looking for us to get a QB in the first few rounds either (I mentioned this a week ago in another post.) We are going to get bigs, DEs and CBs, assuming they're the best there. DaQuan Bowers anyone?
Just so I can put it down 4 months before it happens, we will draft a D2 QB in the 4th or 5th round.
We certainly need defense or every game is going to be a shoot out. I think were in for a bad 2011 that's just my take based on the schedule I see. As for the Cowboys, be glad we didn't face them after Wade was fired, because if we had faced the inspired version that took on Indy I think we lose that game IMO. Yep we had some exciting wins, but Del Rio and DG gets you 8-8 with a favorable schedule, this one in 2011 I see 4-12. At-least I've gotten better at taking loses better than in previous years. I'm on the 30/30 plan also and it really didn't matter about DG/Del Rio coming back. I'm going to be there regardless and hope for more 59 yr field goals. :)
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 08:26:18 AM
... this one in 2011 I see 4-12.
We should win at least 3 games in conference, so you're telling me that we can't win just ONE MORE game?
We should win, hands down, the following: Cinci, Cleve, Carolina. I would like to throw San Diego in there because they have to travel here, but I think that will depend more on when we play them (hopefully in Dec.)
We should be competitive in these games: Baltimore, Tampa, Pitt & Jets
I think we will lose these games: NO & Atl
My guess is that at worst we're 6-10 but a better bet would be 9-7. I don't think that will win the division or put us in the playoffs, but it will keep us in the hunt.
NRW-- what Jaguar team have you been watching. We should win hands down, we haven't been able to say that since Brunell left. Watch and see the Panthers take the Jags down to the final secs, and we struggled with the Browns the last three yrs and barely beat them this season. Remember we gave the winless Bengals their first win. When we faced teams with good defenses we lost 30-3, 28-3, 38-13. Jags are not good and we were lucky to get 8-8. Pray we play the Chargers early and not in December. And if the pattern holds we get swept by the Colts next season. Jags have never beaten them in consecutive seasons. Guess will see.
The teams that I said 'hands down' too is because of the teams, not us. All three of those teams are looking at new coaches, new QBs and are in major turmoil right now. So, yep, I'm sticking to those.
You say we struggled against Cleveland, but I say we struggled to do anything right and still beat them - 6 turnovers, let me repeat, 6 turnovers! We struggled against ourselves, not Cleveland.
Yeah we beat them and we also lost to Chargers also 6 turnovers. Your not going to win many games like that. -13 in turnovers worst in the NFL. You wont win many games like that you just wont. I'll be waiting for you after the Ciny, Clev, and Panthers game lol.
Well I respect WW decision because he has made it clear that this is Del Rio's final show, and if we dont make the playoffs next year he will be gone, and that we are drafting a QB to eventually replace Garrad. He addressed all issues. So Im good.
I mean really what can we do? We are not the only team to go through this so well see how it pans out.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 09:12:41 AM
Yeah we beat them and we also lost to Chargers also 6 turnovers. Your not going to win many games like that. -13 in turnovers worst in the NFL. You wont win many games like that you just wont. I'll be waiting for you after the Ciny, Clev, and Panthers game lol.
That's my point! I didn't say that you will win a lot of games, but we beat
them with 6-turnovers. That's a credit to their ineptitude and not our being good that day. They don't have a QB and they're getting a new coach. I don't know their draft situation (how many they made extra or lost on the Hillis trade), but I don't see them being much better next year.
Cincy in probably getting a new coach next year, and still have a decision to make with Carson Palmer. What's the deal with Ocho Cinco? They have a lot on their plate in the offseason, too.
Carolina - will have a new coach next year. They've seen what Clausen can do (not much) and they have 28 FAs without contracts heading into the offseason. The biggest few being Matt Moore, D. Williams, Donte Rosario & Derek Landri.
I don't know, Keith, but I smell a wager coming.... ;D
AHHH I see, well the Browns will probably have cribbs back for that game and I don't trust the Jaguar defense. I guess will see what the happens in the draft and if Kapman can come back. I wonder if Mincey will be opposite of him? NRW I also smell a wager and I also smell a loss for the Non-RedNeck Westsider Camp :). I hope not though. I plan to go to the Panthers and Falcons game. Never been to Charlotte and have family there.
Quote from: I-10east on January 03, 2011, 07:51:42 PM
Del Rio staying is not too surprising to me. He seem to have the players backing, and JDR still had alot of money on his contract. I'm not big on JDR, but I'm still locked in for two more years with the 30/30. IMO everyone who says "I'm not going to anymore games" (Like I've heard some on the radio say) because of that is not a true fans. If you don't like what's going on, go to the game and boo, but to say "I'm not going anymore", well you never were a fan from the beginning; That's the difference between mature NFL fans like Pittsburgh, and the college mentality that alot in this city have.
I'm not big on predicting team wins and losses on a schedule where games that will be played nine months from now. The whole supposed "murders row" schedule thing is overrated to me; Just like a supposed "easy" schedule can be filled with a buncha ascending teams, so it's all a crapshoot, and not to mention the unforseen future key player additions, and losses for the Jags. How many people would've had the Jags to beat the almighty Cowboys in Dallas? There's a whole alot that can change from now all the way til then.
I agree with everything you just stated. Its time to weed out the bandwagon fans anyways. Even when the steelers were at their worst, those fans were behind them 100 %. As as our schedule, it looks tough. But as we all know, the NFL is unpredictable. Who predicted the rise of the Saints? Absolutely no one. So all we can do is sit back and hope for the best.
The Jags are not by far the worst team in the NFL, we are just VERY inconsistent and it is nerve wrecking. Our good years were 96,97,98,99,2005,2007. To be a 15 year old team, that is not bad at all. There are some teams that are fifty years old that have made the playoffs only a hand full of times. I just would like a team that consistanly wins (like the Colts and Patriots). I think thats what builds the pride and tradition in a franchise. I am sure when the Colts start to have their down years, their fans will back them. We are a young franchise with a long way to go.
I agree with you Duvaldude and I think what fans want more than anything is a team that wins more and more playoffs. I would not compare the Steelers fan base or franchise in the manner to ours, because they have won SB's through out their existence. I also think when Manning retires and the Colts come back to earth you wont see a full stadium there. And another thing most team have had a long time to build a faithful fan base, remember our stadium was full without the tarps at the beginning, people in this city are spoiled and this should be Rio's last yr if we get the same result. I personally think the result will be worse.
^^^ I agree. But then again the steelers have been around WAYY longer than we have. ANd yes, We were VERY spoiled in the beginning and I think thats the problem. We came in the NFL and kick the door down and most new teams dont do that. Im sure if we had a team like the Texans from day one, everyone would not be complaining, because a Medicore team is what they are used. The Jags of the 90's were a beast, and everybody wants that back. It kind of remind me of the saying, "Is it better to have loved and lost, or never to loved at all." Think about it...If we never had a winning team, everyone expectations wouldnt be so high. But I want those Jags back that beat Miami 62-7! ;D
I want the Jags team that could over come a defecit > 10 points and win the game still. Even though they did show some resovle in that Raider game to me that was their best win in 2010.
What I find funny is that Wayne said that if we don't make the playoffs next year that there wouldn't be a lot of people back, basically saying that Jack would be fired if he doesn't make the playoffs. Did Wayne take a good hard look at the schedule for next season? Besides the normal Indy, Tenn and Hou twice a year. We have Baltimore, Cincy, New Orleans, Tampa and San Diego at home, plus Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Carolina and the Jets away. Does anyone see a playoff season next year??? You might as well fire Jack right now. I don't see this team winning more than 6 or 7 games next season
I'm sticking with 4 wins. :)
We certainly have room to improve but many other teams, especially those in the playoffs, will likely have a gob of free agents looking for their next pay day. Teams like Jacksonville and those with lesser records will have a field day sucking up the talent.
IMO, we have a descent team and a descent staff. All we need is that spark to keep things consistent and playing at a high level. Too many other teams around the league are in turmoil and will be rebuilding next year. I think there is a great opportunity for us to be something great next year and take the division.
What have me pulling my hair out with talk on the radio is alot of people saying "The Jags could've been 6-10 with the lucky wins over Indy, and Houston". I find it astonding that these pessimistic idiots don't never mention the two close losses against New York, and Washington which would have easily gotten us to 10-6; It's not like those two games were sure shot losses from the get go by no means. The Jags could've been anywhere from "6-10 to 10-6" NOT "6-10 to 8-8" like the fickle fans believe; Although I like to live in reality, and I realize that we actually were 8-8, no desired record by no means. If we're no better next year, Wayne is gonna clean house.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 10:14:36 AM
I want the Jags team that could over come a defecit > 10 points and win the game still. Even though they did show some resovle in that Raider game to me that was their best win in 2010.
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Oh yeah that Raiders game was ON FIRE! IMO that was the game of the year.
I'm surprised to see how many fans put all the failures on the coach vs. the 6+ years of terrible drafting.
If we're 8-8 again next year it's because the team which was dismantled in 2009 isn't through being overhauled. It's obvious the team has glaring needs and that the positions filled thus far have been well chosen. 2 offseasons was clearly not enough to repair the damage done.
Everyone needs to step off the Del Rio ledge, temper their expectations, look forward to an exciting off season of drafting new talent and watching them grow.
I-10east imo we were lucky, hail marys, you do realize how many times a team in NFL history has won a game like that, 59yr field goals. If we have to win games like that and only be 8-8 then were in trouble.
Quote from: Shwaz on January 04, 2011, 10:52:50 AM
I'm surprised to see how many fans put all the failures on the coach vs. the 6+ years of terrible drafting.
If we're 8-8 again next year it's because the team which was dismantled in 2009 isn't through being overhauled. It's obvious the team has glaring needs and that the positions filled thus far have been well chosen. 2 offseasons was clearly not enough to repair the damage done.
Everyone needs to step off the Del Rio ledge, temper their expectations, look forward to an exciting off season of drafting new talent and watching them grow.
I'm not on the del zero ledge, i'm just stating the facts, that wayne said if they don't make the playoffs next year that he would clean house. Can anyone in their right mind see us making the playoffs next year? i don't see how wayne is so sure of this. if he is telling the truth, then you might as well get rid of him right now. also i loved how he tried to defend rasheens play this year and stated that garrard was a top 12 qb in the league, by looking at his stats. i don't doubt garrard is an ok player, but they need to draft a qb and from what wayne was saying, it almost seems like they won't address the qb situation at all. if they don't draft a qb in the first couple rounds, oh geez i don't even know what will happen with the fan base
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 10:57:15 AM
I-10east imo we were lucky, hail marys, you do realize how many times a team in NFL history has won a game like that, 59yr field goals. If we have to win games like that and only be 8-8 then were in trouble.
Keith - both games were tied. Regardless of the winning plays we still had just as much of chance to win in overtime as the other teams.
Quote from: hanjin1 on January 04, 2011, 10:59:30 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on January 04, 2011, 10:52:50 AM
I'm surprised to see how many fans put all the failures on the coach vs. the 6+ years of terrible drafting.
If we're 8-8 again next year it's because the team which was dismantled in 2009 isn't through being overhauled. It's obvious the team has glaring needs and that the positions filled thus far have been well chosen. 2 offseasons was clearly not enough to repair the damage done.
Everyone needs to step off the Del Rio ledge, temper their expectations, look forward to an exciting off season of drafting new talent and watching them grow.
I'm not on the del zero ledge, i'm just stating the facts, that wayne said if they don't make the playoffs next year that he would clean house. Can anyone in their right mind see us making the playoffs next year? i don't see how wayne is so sure of this. if he is telling the truth, then you might as well get rid of him right now. also i loved how he tried to defend rasheens play this year and stated that garrard was a top 12 qb in the league, by looking at his stats. i don't doubt garrard is an ok player, but they need to draft a qb and from what wayne was saying, it almost seems like they won't address the qb situation at all. if they don't draft a qb in the first couple rounds, oh geez i don't even know what will happen with the fan base
Why because of the schedule? Because of the coach? Because of the roster of players? Why are you counting them out 4 days into January?
Del Rio has to take some of the blame, he is the coach isn't he? When your 4-11 in December drafting isn't the only issue. 65-64 over all I guess that's drafting also. Don't worry we wont be 8-8 next yr. Here's to looking at the east side of the stadium empty again. Del Rio is the only head coach in the NFL that's been with its team longer than 7 yrs with no division titles. I bet J.Fischer could take these same so called scrubs and have a number 2 or 3 defense. I don't blame the fans. At least WW stated he made some mistakes Del Zero was one of them.
Quote from: Shwaz on January 04, 2011, 10:52:50 AM
I'm surprised to see how many fans put all the failures on the coach vs. the 6+ years of terrible drafting.
If we're 8-8 again next year it's because the team which was dismantled in 2009 isn't through being overhauled. It's obvious the team has glaring needs and that the positions filled thus far have been well chosen. 2 offseasons was clearly not enough to repair the damage done.
Everyone needs to step off the Del Rio ledge, temper their expectations, look forward to an exciting off season of drafting new talent and watching them grow.
I feel you man. I think the bad drafting is what did it. Our old GM left Del Rio and Gene Smith with a huge mess to clean up. But IMO Im not a fan of Del Rio's coaching style in general, and for that reason I would like to see him go. When I read he was doing the defensive play calling I was floored! Maybe that was part of our defense issues????? Also, everyone says garrad needs to be a leader. But how can you be a leader and you are not allowed to? If you havent notice, garrad does what he's told. They give him no authority AT ALL to make any decisions. Most teams give their QB some authority and trust their decisions. I think we have a host of problems, but I do think it boils down to Del Rio and his way of doing things. And I also feel Del Rio is soft and is not hard enough on them. IMO
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 11:12:36 AM
Del Rio has to take some of the blame, he is the coach isn't he? When your 4-11 in December drafting isn't the only issue. 65-64 over all I guess that's drafting also. Don't worry we wont be 8-8 next yr. Here's to looking at the east side of the stadium empty again. Del Rio is the only head coach in the NFL that's been with its team longer than 7 yrs with no division titles. I bet J.Fischer could take these same so called scrubs and have a number 2 or 3 defense. I don't blame the fans. At least WW stated he made some mistakes Del Zero was one of them.
I'm sorry to see such a negative outlook... now it's an empty stadium. IF you are correct and the stadium is empty because the team isn't winning... then I will absolutely blame the fans. A team captain should know that.
Quote from: Shwaz on January 04, 2011, 11:00:36 AM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 10:57:15 AM
I-10east imo we were lucky, hail marys, you do realize how many times a team in NFL history has won a game like that, 59yr field goals. If we have to win games like that and only be 8-8 then were in trouble.
Keith - both games were tied. Regardless of the winning plays we still had just as much of chance to win in overtime as the other teams.
True, but we were lucky. Manning, and Houston's offense in OT- arent we lucky we had the ball last with our defense. That's all I am saying. I am not saying we shouldnt have won nor I am trying to take away anything from the win. Those were exciting/thrilling wins I would never want to take anything away from those two games!!
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 11:27:44 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on January 04, 2011, 11:00:36 AM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 10:57:15 AM
I-10east imo we were lucky, hail marys, you do realize how many times a team in NFL history has won a game like that, 59yr field goals. If we have to win games like that and only be 8-8 then were in trouble.
Keith - both games were tied. Regardless of the winning plays we still had just as much of chance to win in overtime as the other teams.
True, but we were lucky. Manning, and Houston's offense in OT- arent we lucky we had the ball last with our defense. That's all I am saying. I am not saying we shouldnt have won nor I am trying to take away anything from the win. Those were exciting/thrilling wins I would never want to take anything away from those two games!!
There's nothing lucky about hitting a 59 yard field goal. I'll give you 100 chances to do it and bet my salary for the next 10 years that you don't come close on a single one.
Also how many games were close that we lost... and could have easily gone the other way. The Giants Redskins & Colts games were all win-able games.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on January 04, 2011, 11:18:40 AM
And I also feel Del Rio is soft and is not hard enough on them. IMO
We had our OTAs cut short because of too much contact.
We haven't had any arrests this season.
The team has topped every other team in off-field visits.
How many of you have played team sports? The better teams are typically the ones that played together the longest. They may not have been the best their first 2-3 seasons, but they ended up being the team to beat for the long haul. I am a big believer in keeping the team together, so long as there is marked improvement - which there was. And as we keep adding talent to the core, we can only get better - right?
Quote from: Shwaz on January 04, 2011, 11:30:07 AM
There's nothing lucky about hitting a 59 yard field goal. I'll give you 100 chances to do it and bet my salary for the next 10 years that you don't come close on a single one.
I'll take that bet if you let me kick it off of a tee. ;D
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on January 04, 2011, 11:30:37 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on January 04, 2011, 11:18:40 AM
And I also feel Del Rio is soft and is not hard enough on them. IMO
We had our OTAs cut short because of too much contact.
We haven't had any arrests this season.
The team has topped every other team in off-field visits.
How many of you have played team sports? The better teams are typically the ones that played together the longest. They may not have been the best their first 2-3 seasons, but they ended up being the team to beat for the long haul. I am a big believer in keeping the team together, so long as there is marked improvement - which there was. And as we keep adding talent to the core, we can only get better - right?
Excellent points. From what I've read all the players that met with Weaver said the same thing.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on January 04, 2011, 11:32:43 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on January 04, 2011, 11:30:07 AM
There's nothing lucky about hitting a 59 yard field goal. I'll give you 100 chances to do it and bet my salary for the next 10 years that you don't come close on a single one.
I'll take that bet if you let me kick it off of a tee. ;D
No sir. I'll give you 11 gigantic men trying to block your kick and another 11 trying to block them.
Quote from: Shwaz on January 04, 2011, 11:34:22 AM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on January 04, 2011, 11:32:43 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on January 04, 2011, 11:30:07 AM
There's nothing lucky about hitting a 59 yard field goal. I'll give you 100 chances to do it and bet my salary for the next 10 years that you don't come close on a single one.
I'll take that bet if you let me kick it off of a tee. ;D
No sir. I'll give you 11 gigantic men trying to block your kick and another 11 trying to block them.
Do I still get the tee?
Quote from: Shwaz on January 04, 2011, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 11:12:36 AM
Del Rio has to take some of the blame, he is the coach isn't he? When your 4-11 in December drafting isn't the only issue. 65-64 over all I guess that's drafting also. Don't worry we wont be 8-8 next yr. Here's to looking at the east side of the stadium empty again. Del Rio is the only head coach in the NFL that's been with its team longer than 7 yrs with no division titles. I bet J.Fischer could take these same so called scrubs and have a number 2 or 3 defense. I don't blame the fans. At least WW stated he made some mistakes Del Zero was one of them.
I'm sorry to see such a negative outlook... now it's an empty stadium. IF you are correct and the stadium is empty because the team isn't winning... then I will absolutely blame the fans. A team captain should know that.
I am also sorry because I do care for my city and team and only wish the best. But unlike you and I who will probably be in the stands next season, many people are tired of the Del Rio/DG experiment. Same people Same results yr after yr. I just don't see how WW can expect this team to make the playoffs with the same style of play we've seen for the last few years. I hope I am wrong because the Jags really ended the season the worst way possible. Also just because people are critical doesn't mean they don't care. Unfortunately we don't have a waiting list of people waiting to get into EverBank Field. I think they just killed all the momentum they had gain in 10 going into the 11 season. Sorry to be so negative, just a little disappointed how the season ended.
Its not my Job to kick 59yr field goals. :)
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 11:36:22 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on January 04, 2011, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 11:12:36 AM
Del Rio has to take some of the blame, he is the coach isn't he? When your 4-11 in December drafting isn't the only issue. 65-64 over all I guess that's drafting also. Don't worry we wont be 8-8 next yr. Here's to looking at the east side of the stadium empty again. Del Rio is the only head coach in the NFL that's been with its team longer than 7 yrs with no division titles. I bet J.Fischer could take these same so called scrubs and have a number 2 or 3 defense. I don't blame the fans. At least WW stated he made some mistakes Del Zero was one of them.
I'm sorry to see such a negative outlook... now it's an empty stadium. IF you are correct and the stadium is empty because the team isn't winning... then I will absolutely blame the fans. A team captain should know that.
I am also sorry because I do care for my city and team and only wish the best. But unlike you and I who will probably be in the stands next season, many people are tired of the Del Rio/DG experiment. Same people Same results yr after yr. I just don't see how WW can expect this team to make the playoffs with the same style of play we've seen for the last few years. I hope I am wrong because the Jags really ended the season the worst way possible. Also just because people are critical doesn't mean they don't care. Unfortunately we don't have a waiting list of people waiting to get into EverBank Field. I think they just killed all the momentum they had gain in 10 going into the 11 season. Sorry to be so negative, just a little disappointed how the season ended.
It's impossible to be anything but disappointed when your team is in control of the division and implodes down the stretch. Is Del Rio partly to blame?- Of course. Would firing him solve all the years of bad drafting?- No.
This team is doing a great job of not letting the fans dictate it's personnel moves. That's a good thing. It's the fans that are immature and hold their ticket money ransom like a toddler throwing a temper tantrum.
Don't forget we did this whole song & dance last year with the speculation & let down of JDR keeping his job. We also made it through the Tebow draft and backlash and didn't have a single blackout.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 11:37:55 AM
Its not my Job to kick 59yr field goals. :)
It's a good thing we've got Scobee then when the game is on the line...
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 11:37:55 AM
Its not my Job to kick 59yr field goals. :)
It's a good thing we've got Scobee then when the game is on the line...
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Tell that to the Washington Redskins....
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 12:02:28 PM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 11:37:55 AM
Its not my Job to kick 59yr field goals. :)
It's a good thing we've got Scobee then when the game is on the line...
Tell that to the Washington Redskins....
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I'm sure Scobee would have if the offense could've gotten him in range on their first drive in OT ;)
Let's try to look at it this way.... We were physically hurt after playing the Raiders. We won the game, but at what cost? We lost to the Colts the next week and were emotionally hurt and for them, that was their playoff game. They knew they had a chance, but couldn't pull through it. The next two games didn't really matter, the only hope was Tennessee pulling out a win and who can put much hope into that after the way they've played.
We can play armchair QB all day, all week and all off-season, but fact is once they lost to Indy, they were done. so I don't look at it as a late season collapse, more than a team of beat-up guys that didn't have much to play for. If you want to play the what-if game, I think that we would have won the Skins & the Texans game if there was a wild card spot available.
They were saying on Jaguar All Access they lost to the Colts 3 times. I believe they did. They seemed very flat during the Skins game. I think your right about the Raider game. It took all they had to win that game and then to follow that and head to INDY for the Div title. I think their season ended there. Had the Colts three remaining opponents been either the Chargers, Pats, Saints, or Steelers maybe we would have seen a little more bite in the Jags. Waiting and Hoping the Colts lose is a bad position to be in. 2011 will see what their really made of.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on January 04, 2011, 12:14:07 PM
Let's try to look at it this way.... We were physically hurt after playing the Raiders. We won the game, but at what cost? We lost to the Colts the next week and were emotionally hurt and for them, that was their playoff game. They knew they had a chance, but couldn't pull through it. The next two games didn't really matter, the only hope was Tennessee pulling out a win and who can put much hope into that after the way they've played.
We can play armchair QB all day, all week and all off-season, but fact is once they lost to Indy, they were done. so I don't look at it as a late season collapse, more than a team of beat-up guys that didn't have much to play for. If you want to play the what-if game, I think that we would have won the Skins & the Texans game if there was a wild card spot available.
you can't say the last 2 games didn't matter, when know one knew what was going to happen at the time. they don't matter now, but they still matter in the sense of team pride and giving the fans something to look forward to in 2011. losing 3 straight after losing 4 straight the year before, looks like there is no improvement from the team. and don't say you didn't have much hope in tennessee, when they were on their last drive to win the game at the end. i wonder how crazy the fans would be right now if indy would have lost that game on sunday
Quote from: hanjin1 on January 04, 2011, 12:41:55 PM
you can't say the last 2 games didn't matter, when know one knew what was going to happen at the time. they don't matter now, but they still matter in the sense of team pride and giving the fans something to look forward to in 2011. losing 3 straight after losing 4 straight the year before, looks like there is no improvement from the team. and don't say you didn't have much hope in tennessee, when they were on their last drive to win the game at the end. i wonder how crazy the fans would be right now if indy would have lost that game on sunday
I'm just sayin', try and look at it from their perspective.
If you bust your ass for 14 weeks trying to close sales for a company paid vacay, and it falls through week 15, you're probably not going to really give a sh!t about weeks 16 & 17, because the only way you get to go is if Timmy, they sales leader for the last 9 years can't finish. Timmy's known for finishing. Your year ended when you failed to close out Timmy.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on January 04, 2011, 12:50:49 PM
Quote from: hanjin1 on January 04, 2011, 12:41:55 PM
you can't say the last 2 games didn't matter, when know one knew what was going to happen at the time. they don't matter now, but they still matter in the sense of team pride and giving the fans something to look forward to in 2011. losing 3 straight after losing 4 straight the year before, looks like there is no improvement from the team. and don't say you didn't have much hope in tennessee, when they were on their last drive to win the game at the end. i wonder how crazy the fans would be right now if indy would have lost that game on sunday
I'm just sayin', try and look at it from their perspective.
If you bust your ass for 14 weeks trying to close sales for a company paid vacay, and it falls through week 15, you're probably not going to really give a sh!t about weeks 16 & 17, because the only way you get to go is if Timmy, they sales leader for the last 9 years can't finish. Timmy's known for finishing. Your year ended when you failed to close out Timmy.
If that's how they think, then I guess that's why we never make the playoffs and Timmy does. Because Timmy tries his hardest to be the top, while we are fine fishing. Also MJD can shove it when he says the fans need to step up, if thats how they really think. I'll step it up when they step it up.
I think the fans have stepped it up, no black outs MJD. Your turn!!!!
Yeah he was the leading rusher until his injury sidelined him... an injury he played through all year... and an MVP candidate late in the season... and picked as the #1 RB in the Pro Bowl. ::)
He's right. This city as been coddled like a 2 year old and acts like with it's temper tantrums. I like the sharp tongue and it was long over due.
The fans stepped up this season despite the same ole late season collaspe. When the Pro Bowl trumps the Super Bowl you let us know.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 02:38:44 PM
The fans stepped up this season despite the same ole late season collaspe. When the Pro Bowl trumps the Super Bowl you let us know.
As far as individual performances go... it does trump. The fans would have to sell out to a 10 year waiting list to equal the 'stepped up' performance of MJD lol
I don't think there's a fan that doesn't go crazy over MJD. He's our Manning, but to call out fans after you just lost the last three games, playoffs, division title -come on man its not happening. Let's be real. No ones questioning him.
And no one should. Is he lying about the need to sell more tickets? Does he have a right to be confused as to why it's so hard here?
Also tell MJD that might want to get something on the field that resembles a NFL defense. Del Zero might wanna have Post Roast knocked DG upside the head before kick off for he seems to play better after a concussions.(just kidding)
Well all know the tickets issue. But you might not wanna mentioned that when you've just lost your final three games, but wait they've improve they only three in a row this time at not four. Book it sell outs next year, this just in "tarps to be removed". :)
^^^I have always disagreed on the theroy that Winning=Ticket Sales. If thats the case, Tampa would not have had black outs this year. and the bucs did wonderful this season and Bucs fans REFUSE to by tickets. Its probably gone be a lock out next season anyways, so we are probably wasting our breathe at this point.
I am really not too thrilled about Del Rio coming back but I will still renew my season tickets!
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 03:03:21 PM
Well all know the tickets issue. But you might not wanna mentioned that when you've just lost your final three games, but wait they've improve they only three in a row this time at not four. Book it sell outs next year, this just in "tarps to be removed". :)
I'll mention this. Fan support should be strong as well as ticket sales win or lose. The tarps are there for good. We have nowhere near the population to sell out 90K seats.
Speaking for my group of friends & family, we went to all 10 games. We tailgated with great food and we were there for the 59 yarder & immaculate deflection. In years past when it was just my father & I and our long walks back to the car after a tough loss... dissecting each impacting play. Win or lose those were all great Sundays.
That's the reason to buy tickets. To watch your favorite sport in person with the people you care about. To be part of a moment with the team you love…. Win or lose.
We dont know the bucs situation, they were 3-13 last yr and they didnt really beat anybody til the last game of the season and the Saints didnt need to win since Atl was blowing out the panthers. Chargers also had b/o. Who knows maybe the fans dont have the money. I dont understand the Chargers fans because they win their Div alot and are usually in the playoffs.
Quote from: Shwaz on January 04, 2011, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 03:03:21 PM
Well all know the tickets issue. But you might not wanna mentioned that when you've just lost your final three games, but wait they've improve they only three in a row this time at not four. Book it sell outs next year, this just in "tarps to be removed". :)
I'll mention this. Fan support should be strong as well as ticket sales win or lose. The tarps are there for good. We have nowhere near the population to sell out 90K seats.
Speaking for my group of friends & family, we went to all 10 games. We tailgated with great food and we were there for the 59 yarder & immaculate deflection. In years past when it was just my father & I and our long walks back to the car after a tough loss... dissecting each impacting play. Win or lose those were all great Sundays.
That's the reason to buy tickets. To watch your favorite sport in person with the people you care about. To be part of a moment with the team you love…. Win or lose.
The tarp thing was just a joke and did we lose a substantial amount of our population since the 90's just asking? Anyway it was a fun seasons until the end. You cant expect anyone to be happy the way they ended the season. It was just awful. Anyway great post, but theres always a but,,Until we have 67 thou that believe that and bleed teal, we will always have ticket issues. You know how our town is. I believe the Jags have about 50 to 55 strong faithful.
I understand how this town is but I don't agree with it. This day of show and must win mentality has to change.
You could be in worse places.
Chicago's "new" Soldier Field holds 54,000. That is for a city with 1 NFL team serving a metro area of 6 million people.
PSL's are so steep now it priced out some 40 year season ticket holders.
It was so bad, Bears fans were driving down to the RCA Dome to see them play the Colts and the Rams in St Louis.
All things considered, it was cheaper to drive to these other cities, buy at the gate or scalper to see the Bears, than getting a ticket in the home town. Ford Field (Detroit) always has a large Bear fan contingent.
So having the Jags fill their 56,000 seats in a metro area of 1.2 million people with the competitive package prices they offer, it is a great deal compared to some other NFL cities.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 04, 2011, 02:29:18 PM
I think the fans have stepped it up, no black outs MJD. Your turn!!!!
MJD had NOTHING to do with any of the losses this season.... especially that last 4 games. He's done his job and has done is extremely well. If there is anyone on the team that has earned the right to comment, it is him.
It boils down to the Jags not having many true fans. Some Cities teams have NEVER had a winning team and the fans have no problem buying tickets. I dont when Jacksonville has gotten "uppity" and spoiled. We get a couple of high end stores in town and we think were grand now. Lets be real folks. The Jags are all we have. PERIOD. We are not known for anything else. A prime example is when Ray J had his reality show and a girl from Jacksonville was on there. he nicknamed her "Jaguar" because of the football team. Let's be grateful. Jacksonville has a tendency of wanting everything, and appreciating nothing. And thats REAL TALK. Reality is, if we were to ever lose this team for whatever reason, the fabric of this city will be gone and so will our identity. The team made this city what it is now. Before the Jags, we were just "little town" people pass through on their way out of town and stopped to use the bathroom. (as someone who attended the super bowl stated). Up's and down's are all part of being a fan of the NFL. If you cant deal with it, then dont be a fan.
Who said anything about loses. You don't lose 17 thou STH and 7 black outs the previous season and think you will have a full stadium the following season especially with the way the have performed. The fans showed up this yr especially for the Monday night 30-3 beat down on national television. They lose 4 in a row to end the season 09 season, 3 in a row to end the 10 season, every game was televised in 2010 and the FANS need to step up!! I'm I missing something here. I think MJD needs to tell his teamates to step up first before calling out the fans.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on January 05, 2011, 09:41:57 AM
I dont when Jacksonville has gotten "uppity" and spoiled. We get a couple of high end stores in town and we think were grand now. Lets be real folks. The Jags are all we have. PERIOD.
Sounds like something an abusive boyfriend would say :)
Seriously though, I think this attitude is a little extreme.
I can see both sides of the argument, but I really do think people are just blowing off some steam.
When August rolls back around, and the excitement over a new football season starts to build, I doubt we'll be seeing many blackouts next year.
^^^Nah I just voicing my opinion, wastn trying to be extreme. I just sick of Jacksonville complain about Jacksonville so often. That's all. Its seem like no matter what happens with the city (in general), we will always find something to bitch about it. I dunno, just my thoughts. dont shoot the messenger ;)
Duvaldude we're no different than anybody else. When the Colts lose a game you should check out their message board. One would think the world has ended. Jags could be 14-2 and someone probably would say we should be undefeated.
The Raiders let Tom Cable go,just an fyi. I thought he did a good job with the Raiders this yr. 6-0 in their Div.
I think Ken is right. Fans are mostly just blowing off steam. The ones you read complaining about MJD's comments and threatening to cancel their tickets probably never had tickets anyways.
I completely agree fans should be disappointed or upset. This team had it's first chance at a division title in over a decade.... and they blew it. I'm upset too. My hopes were just as high when I got my notice to buy playoff tickets. Regardless how they've finished this year last year or any year has absolutely no baring on my ticket money.
I think every season ticket holder in a huff over Del Rio or the Jags record should seriously look back at the season, the home game experience and ask themselves if they truly deserve a refund.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 05, 2011, 12:06:22 PM
The Raiders let Tom Cable go,just an fyi. I thought he did a good job with the Raiders this yr. 6-0 in their Div.
Al Davis should never be the example of how an owner should conduct business. They're a team with a long history and long recent history of failure and they battle the blackout bug week to week.
What ever they do... we should do the opposite.
:D
QuoteWhat ever they do... we should do the opposite.
:D
Wise words... ;D
Quote from: Shwaz on January 05, 2011, 12:39:36 PM
I think Ken is right. Fans are mostly just blowing off steam. The ones you read complaining about MJD's comments and threatening to cancel their tickets probably never had tickets anyways.
I completely agree fans should be disappointed or upset. This team had it's first chance at a division title in over a decade.... and they blew it. I'm upset too. My hopes were just as high when I got my notice to buy playoff tickets. Regardless how they've finished this year last year or any year has absolutely no baring on my ticket money.
I think every season ticket holder in a huff over Del Rio or the Jags record should seriously look back at the season, the home game experience and ask themselves if they truly deserve a refund.
Well I guess I wasnt disappointed because my expectations were not high. And I did that for this very reason... To avoid disappointment. I guess thats why Im so "blah" about the situation.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on January 05, 2011, 01:00:09 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on January 05, 2011, 12:39:36 PM
I think Ken is right. Fans are mostly just blowing off steam. The ones you read complaining about MJD's comments and threatening to cancel their tickets probably never had tickets anyways.
I completely agree fans should be disappointed or upset. This team had it's first chance at a division title in over a decade.... and they blew it. I'm upset too. My hopes were just as high when I got my notice to buy playoff tickets. Regardless how they've finished this year last year or any year has absolutely no baring on my ticket money.
I think every season ticket holder in a huff over Del Rio or the Jags record should seriously look back at the season, the home game experience and ask themselves if they truly deserve a refund.
Well I guess I wasnt disappointed because my expectations were not high. And I did that for this very reason... To avoid disappointment. I guess thats why Im so "blah" about the situation.
I picked them to go 5-11 before the season to show how low my expectations were. It's hard not to excited when your team is 1st in the division in week 14 though.
Quote from: Shwaz on January 05, 2011, 01:03:17 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on January 05, 2011, 01:00:09 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on January 05, 2011, 12:39:36 PM
I think Ken is right. Fans are mostly just blowing off steam. The ones you read complaining about MJD's comments and threatening to cancel their tickets probably never had tickets anyways.
I completely agree fans should be disappointed or upset. This team had it's first chance at a division title in over a decade.... and they blew it. I'm upset too. My hopes were just as high when I got my notice to buy playoff tickets. Regardless how they've finished this year last year or any year has absolutely no baring on my ticket money.
I think every season ticket holder in a huff over Del Rio or the Jags record should seriously look back at the season, the home game experience and ask themselves if they truly deserve a refund.
Well I guess I wasnt disappointed because my expectations were not high. And I did that for this very reason... To avoid disappointment. I guess thats why Im so "blah" about the situation.
I picked them to go 5-11 before the season to show how low my expectations were. It's hard not to excited when your team is 1st in the division in week 14 though.
I think that Raiders game got everyone excited. It was a heck of a game. But something in me told me not to get excited. And I didnt. LMAO
Quote from: Shwaz on January 05, 2011, 12:41:33 PM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on January 05, 2011, 12:06:22 PM
The Raiders let Tom Cable go,just an fyi. I thought he did a good job with the Raiders this yr. 6-0 in their Div.
Al Davis should never be the example of how an owner should conduct business. They're a team with a long history and long recent history of failure and they battle the blackout bug week to week.
What ever they do... we should do the opposite.
Wow all I said was they let Tom Cable go(fyi) Never said thats what WW should do. I saw the story on ESPN. Alot of coaches have been let go this season I was just sharing. I dont like Del Rio but I've never said WW should fire him or run bussiness as Al Davis has you're way off base here!
I really think that the blackouts in 09 have little to do with how good fans are of the jaguars and just about everything to do about the economy and the drubbing the city gets from the media. Jacksonville is a Jaguars city, there is no doubt about it. There were 22 blackouts in the NFL this year and none of them were in Jacksonville. People have to remember that no matter how bad blackout issues are in J-ville, there were teams with far worse issues than us. Oakland, this year against San Diego, had its first game shown on local TV for the first time in two years. St. Louis and Detroit have also been struggling with avoiding blackouts. The only reason Tampa Bay isn't plagued by blackouts is because the owner buys up the 10,000-15,000 season tickets that aren't sold.
The national media is selective in its NFL coverage. It is clear the national media doesn't like Jacksonville, this is not a conspiracy but a fact. They don't like small markets. The national media is pissed that they can't bathe in the sun in LA during NFL season with a team in a city like Jacksonville. While they rake us over the coals for not "supporting" the Jaguars, they excuse Tampa and St. Louis because of the economy. I'm sorry but the economy has hit every NFL city.
Quote from: JaguarReign on January 17, 2011, 01:39:01 PM
The only reason Tampa Bay isn't plagued by blackouts is because the owner buys up the 10,000-15,000 season tickets that aren't sold.
You must be thinking about the 09' season; In 2010, Tampa was the only NFL franchise to have all of it's games blacked out.
Guys, the blackout horse is a dead rotting corpse... please stop kicking it. ;)