QuoteMake 2011 a year for downtown Jacksonville
Submitted by Abel Harding on January 2, 2011 - 12:37am
Abel Harding
A year ago, I wrote about the importance of a commitment to downtown Jacksonville.
“Stop the decades-long shilly-shallying, develop a long-term plan and stick with it.â€
Another year is gone and not much progress is visible. More companies have announced plans to leave the urban core and new development is nonexistent.
As 2011 begins, here are six priorities for city leaders.
full article: http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/401574/abel-harding/2011-01-02/make-2011-year-downtown-jacksonville
Kudos Abel.
Noone - have you talked to Abel about the 680' promised pier? How about a kayak trip with Abel?
Yes. and I hope it happens. I also hope that any candidate for Mayor and city council want to see for themselves the opportunity that exists with McCoys Creek, 680' Promised Pier, Hogans Creek
SINGLE SINGLE SINGLE
Well in my book those three singles and we have bases loaded. The next base hit and a run scores. Ask the candidates their position. In my opinion its not happening in District 4, or District 7, if it was legislation would have been introduced.
Keep score.
Yes it was a good article. Interesting point about the chilled water line not being put in as Laura Street was ripped up. Our city can't do anything right haha.
I just keep thinking about a streetcar line from the Prime Osborn to Everbank Field. Given how we are also going to be addressing the parking lots. What would be a potential cost? Would the rail team on MJ like to see it? I know there is a Mobility plan. But would this be a single?
Just asking.
Simms I agree about the chilled water. That's why I'm asking about this.
that's probbly a $30 million single
Shipyards $36,500,000 of taxpayer money gone. This $30,000,000 single is the kind that is hit deep and hits the top of the wall and you thought it was a homerun but you'll take that single.
If I had to pick one, I' take that $30 million for transit and connect DT with an urban neighborhood (Riverside, Springfield, etc.) where people live, work and play before addressing the sports district. The skyway situation has shown us what can happen when we don't tie transit spines with areas where people also live.
Quote from: Noone on January 02, 2011, 06:11:27 PM
Shipyards $36,500,000 of taxpayer money gone. This $30,000,000 single is the kind that is hit deep and hits the top of the wall and you thought it was a homerun but you'll take that single.
The Shipyards money was not exactly lost....the City got the land back...and an improved bulkhead to boot!
That said, I'm all for streetcar....just noting that it is a good chunk of money for a "single"...more like a 3-run bases clearing single.
Right on Abel!
Quote from: thelakelander on January 02, 2011, 06:22:38 PM
If I had to pick one, I' take that $30 million for transit and connect DT with an urban neighborhood (Riverside, Springfield, etc.) where people live, work and play before addressing the sports district. The skyway situation has shown us what can happen when we don't tie transit spines with areas where people also live.
+1
We need daily ridership more than surges of ridership once per month. Once the transit system becomes a part of the culture, then take it to the sports complex.
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 02, 2011, 07:22:37 PM
Quote from: Noone on January 02, 2011, 06:11:27 PM
Shipyards $36,500,000 of taxpayer money gone. This $30,000,000 single is the kind that is hit deep and hits the top of the wall and you thought it was a homerun but you'll take that single.
The Shipyards money was not exactly lost....the City got the land back...and an improved bulkhead to boot!
That said, I'm all for streetcar....just noting that it is a good chunk of money for a "single"...more like a 3-run bases clearing single.
We had the land to begin with. Now we're back to where we started, minus $36.5mm. How's that not "lost"?
I thought TriLegacy owned the land when the original deal was put together years ago? Before the city got involved, their original intentions was to redevelop the property as cold storage warehousing.
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on January 03, 2011, 09:56:57 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 02, 2011, 07:22:37 PM
Quote from: Noone on January 02, 2011, 06:11:27 PM
Shipyards $36,500,000 of taxpayer money gone. This $30,000,000 single is the kind that is hit deep and hits the top of the wall and you thought it was a homerun but you'll take that single.
The Shipyards money was not exactly lost....the City got the land back...and an improved bulkhead to boot!
That said, I'm all for streetcar....just noting that it is a good chunk of money for a "single"...more like a 3-run bases clearing single.
We had the land to begin with. Now we're back to where we started, minus $36.5mm. How's that not "lost"?
well take a look at the pics fieldafm posted yesterday in another thread....see the concrete bulkhead....that wasn't there before...and then there's the environmental remediation
Pretty sure this is the second time COJ has wound up with that parcel.
And however you slice it, getting $5mm worth of improvements done to a <$10mm piece of property all for the bargain price of $36.5mm was not exactly a no-loss deal. It was a total rip-off...
This is exactly why government should just focus on doing what it does with some modicum of competency, rather than trying to get into private business deals. The money would have been far better spent on mass transit, or being used to mothball vacant buildings downtown instead of tearing them down, or hell have you driven in Riverside lately we have potholes that will swallow your car whole.
It would be less irritating to me if they did what they were supposed to do and did it well, before branching out into harebrained development schemes that wind up being taxpayer cash giveaways, but they don't even do that much.
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 03, 2011, 10:39:07 AM
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on January 03, 2011, 09:56:57 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 02, 2011, 07:22:37 PM
Quote from: Noone on January 02, 2011, 06:11:27 PM
Shipyards $36,500,000 of taxpayer money gone. This $30,000,000 single is the kind that is hit deep and hits the top of the wall and you thought it was a homerun but you'll take that single.
The Shipyards money was not exactly lost....the City got the land back...and an improved bulkhead to boot!
That said, I'm all for streetcar....just noting that it is a good chunk of money for a "single"...more like a 3-run bases clearing single.
We had the land to begin with. Now we're back to where we started, minus $36.5mm. How's that not "lost"?
well take a look at the pics fieldafm posted yesterday in another thread....see the concrete bulkhead....that wasn't there before...and then there's the environmental remediation
That bulkhead and fill dirt didn't cost $36.5mm, Tufsu. Let's admit it, we got ripped off...
Looking back, would it have really been a negative if the Spence family were allowed to develop a private port terminal at that location?
QuoteI thought TriLegacy owned the land when the original deal was put together years ago? Before the city got involved, their original intentions was to redevelop the property as cold storage warehousing.
Right. Delaney wanted to purchase the property as part of BJP and turn it into a massive riverfront park, but that never happened. TriLegacy wanted to have warehousing facilities on the property before they were persuaded with carrots dangling in front to instead steer towards a massive residential development.
TUFSU is right about the bulkheads. About 10 million or so was spent on the reinforcing the buikheads, so fortunately extending the riverwalk and connecting with MetroPark won't be terribly expensive(as that was the biggest expense line item)... and there was SOME environmental remediation done but the city definately lost some cash overall on the entire process.
It's critical that proper planning and foresight gets put to use on the property. The land is WAY more valuable to squander away again.
Considering the bulkhead is already in place, I wonder how much would it cost to finish the riverwalk?
Quote from: thelakelander on January 03, 2011, 10:50:09 AM
Looking back, would it have really been a negative if the Spence family were allowed to develop a private port terminal at that location?
Sometimes you get an unexpected gift that changes your life.
I think this property is one of those gifts quite honestly. I envision a public pier park, a revamped Hogans Creek/Klutho-Confederate Park Greenway, activated water sport uses with finger piers to mitigate tidal currents along the Hogan Creek basin that will allow kayaking and small sailing(think East Boston Pier Park), and mixed use development along the remainder of the property.
Our riverfront is currently an exercise in wasted potential. Why can't we polish off this gem?
Quote from: thelakelander on January 03, 2011, 11:00:28 AM
Considering the bulkhead is already in place, I wonder how much would it cost to finish the riverwalk?
Funny you ask Lake... I've been trying to research this for about a month comparing previous riverwalk improvements(which is a PIA to find). I hope to have some hard numbers for when I have my Bay Street Pier Park renderings/vision done. Keep in mind, Im not an architect/urban planner so I'm kind of learning Illustrator on the fly.
AMEN Fieldafm !
The city should have bought the property before the Spence's did, then they would have had complete control and could have sold it to a solid (not a novice like Tri-Legacy) developer early in the 2000's. There would be something there now, if that had happened.
Water under the bridge though.
Quote from: thelakelander on January 03, 2011, 11:00:28 AM
Considering the bulkhead is already in place, I wonder how much would it cost to finish the riverwalk?
I have walked it and it looks like a 12' x 12' patch of concrete should get you to Metro park.
Quote from: fieldafm on January 03, 2011, 11:00:45 AM
Sometimes you get an unexpected gift that changes your life.
I think this property is one of those gifts quite honestly. I envision a public pier park, a revamped Hogans Creek/Klutho-Confederate Park Greenway, activated water sport uses with finger piers to mitigate tidal currents along the Hogan Creek basin that will allow kayaking and small sailing(think East Boston Pier Park), and mixed use development along the remainder of the property.
Our riverfront is currently an exercise in wasted potential. Why can't we polish off this gem?
The potential we have with Hogan's Creek is amazing - and it is a gift. I had the opportunity to spend some time with Noone that we talked about on another thread. Here are some photos of our trip:
(http://i54.tinypic.com/wrlwch.jpg)
(http://i53.tinypic.com/oqetr6.jpg)
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hey Noone have you seen the hogans creek plan? they have a big print out of it in the spar building on Main st. man I hope it works out and id love to help out anyway I could. I heard it was going to be a very long project. man why couldnt this vision have been in place 5 years ago when there was money!! can you send me your contact info?
great photos!
is Hogans Creek plan online?
Here is a link:
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2009-nov-hogans-creek-park-master-plan
However, I think the Hogans Creek plan is limited to the portion of the creek that runs north of State Street. The navigable part of the creek is east of Washington Street.
Quote from: thelakelander on January 03, 2011, 02:02:35 PM
Here is a link:
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2009-nov-hogans-creek-park-master-plan
However, I think the Hogans Creek plan is limited to the portion of the creek that runs north of State Street. The navigable part of the creek is east of Washington Street.
Has there been any progress made since the first sketches were released? Is this progressing or dying?
Zissou - very appropriate question for the origin of this post.
Develop a long-term plan and stick with it!
Right now if any council district has a dredging project or is interested in a small craft launch for canoes or kayaks for their district constituents now is the time to speak up.
How much is available per project? And will they cover 100% of the cost?
That depends on how many council members care about the constituents in their districts and ask. Don Redman is the chair of Waterways and he has the answer. 630-1377
FIND will match 50% of the cost.
By the way,FIND contributed $5,000 towards last month's Coastal Cleanup.
Thank you Noone for bringing that to attention.
Apparently many goings on FIND related including engagement with City Hall,perhaps per usual government wheels in motion however these things often are embedded in relative obscurity.
Great to see here a public forum.
Has anyone in this city of almost a million made one phone call to even check on how many FIND projects are currently identified to move forward? New administration and a new council.
Who will be the city council person that is going to have the guts to just ask for the constituents in their district when it comes to Public Access and Economic opportunity to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a Federal Initiative.
Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting in 7 days. Anybody care?
Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting in 3 hours. Have you asked your city councilperson about any Waterway Issue for your district? Any dredging for your creek? There was a special Waterways FIND subcommittee meeting to identify canoe and kayak launches. The meeting was 2 1/2 hours. HUGE ANNOUNCEMENTS coming.
What will we be telling our Regional Partners? JAXCOMMERCE are you excited?
Jerry Mallot lets kayak Hogans Creek. I'm serious.
Boyer, Love, My early picks as being pro active for river access. Just ask for your constituents and you will receive. River Oaks Park......A slam dunk
Redman, Gaffney, Have abandoned their constituents. Pocket Parks- Pocket Piers. It will be 3 years in December when I approached the Commissioners of the Florida Inland Navigation District about the potential of the use of a Waterfront Public Access street end and their guidance to me was that you need a sponsor. A city councilmember. Mike Messiano the Duval County representative has been super. In a city of almost 1 million not one city councilmember has stepped up to the plate.
Jacksonville is a joke. We are about to lose city council oversite Downtown with redistricting and a total Govt. Takeover by a new Authority and that will include Public Access and Economic opportunity to our St. Johns River our American Heritage. River.
Palms Fish Camp? What a disaster.
Has any councilmember asked about a FIND project for their constituents? Does anybody care? 630-1377 call and ask. Don Redman is the chair of Waterways and was at the special Waterways Find subcommittee meeting so he knows what is on the list. Somebody, anybody, please make a call and report back on this thread. If you are outside of Duval county you will then have a better understanding of how the Public Trust is being just totally crushed in this community. I'm serious.
Anybody want to kayak Downtown?
Commissioners of FIND go to the front of the line.
Regional Partners.
Be concerned. I'm scared to death
Will we be saying
VISIT JACKSONVILLE
or
DON"T VISIT JACKSONVILLE
With Redman at the helm...does anything happen or does he sit on his ass and gossip all day like in the shop?...I can't see much getting done...fairly anyways.
Quote from: Garden guy on October 12, 2011, 07:41:12 AM
With Redman at the helm...does anything happen or does he sit on his ass and gossip all day like in the shop?...I can't see much getting done...fairly anyways.
Redman, Up until now has done nothing. And Jacksonville History will show this. He can still do something.
Regardless, Ricker was at the 10/12 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting and after the meeting his request was heard and my hats off to him for showing up and asking.
In the months ahead this will be moving forward. Who will be the city council member that will be recognized throughout the East Coast of the state of Florida for personally sponsoring legislation that will tell Governor Scott and the world that Jacksonville is open for business. Everyone is Making It Happen.
Not actively pursuing FIND is a pound foolish since we already pay into the program in the general budget. By tendering applications to the Commission, we are merely recouping dollars already paid in.
In fairness to Redman, he has been preoccupied helping the JSO verify that peaceable assemblies have proper permits. Determining the future of our greatest natural resource is far less important than making sure Hemming Plaza is protected.
In 3 days Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting 9:30 in council chambers. Open to the Public. Will be asking that Chelsea St. be added to the FIND List for future project consideration. Who will be the Jacksonville Waterway Commission member that will Make It Happen?
Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting in 3 hours. Has any city council member submitted a FIND project for the constituents in their district?
Has anyone even tried? Will the overhead monitor be fixed in council chambers? Was out at the last Jacksonville Waterways meeting and city council last night. Two months in a row.
Who wants to be a 501-c?
Regional Partners. Don't look to us for guidance. The true excitement is what you see other counties doing to promote Public Access and economic opportunity for their constituents.
After attending a gathering of the commissioners of FIND last week you want to tell everyone.
Visit St. Johns county- Especially the Pier
There is a new bill being circulated that expands land ownership over water, which could potentially further limit waterway access (even if you are floating in the river).
Quote from: fieldafm on January 16, 2012, 02:28:35 PM
There is a new bill being circulated that expands land ownership over water, which could potentially further limit waterway access (even if you are floating in the river).
local or state?? Submerged lands lease?? ultimately a state matter/Trustees/State Constitution
Navigable waters are public.
Public Trust Doctrine. Upheld. Come to think of it,we are past due another attempt.....current political environment ripe for attempted Raid......will the stage shift to NE Florida?
Quote from: fieldafm on January 16, 2012, 02:28:35 PM
There is a new bill being circulated that expands land ownership over water, which could potentially further limit waterway access (even if you are floating in the river).
No more kayaking under the Hyatt.
Quote from: Noone on January 16, 2012, 06:13:40 PM
Quote from: fieldafm on January 16, 2012, 02:28:35 PM
There is a new bill being circulated that expands land ownership over water, which could potentially further limit waterway access (even if you are floating in the river).
No more kayaking under the Hyatt.
The chances of getting caught under there due to aggressive incoming tide event is real,yes?
If those waters are privately owned/ fee simple then Hyatt holds the right.If those waters are entirely held in lease granted by the Trustees,Hyatt holds the right.
Luckily most waters are in fact public,there are some sections leased ....from us,the Public.The docks at Harbor Town at Atlantic Blvd float over private bottom lands which were created....you buy one of those docks and you own it and the land,fee simple.The docks at Ortega Landing float over leased bottom,original navigable waters of the state.Previous offerings of docks for sale precluded owning the land....the bottom.
in regards to fishing from shore restrictions, vessel access,floating over public bottom still affords opportunity,access....and any other proposal is itching for a fight,and statewide headlines.
if the Hyatt becomes off limits due to legitimate bottom ownership aspects,so be it,no cause for broad alarm.
Quote from: north miami on January 16, 2012, 05:31:32 PM
Quote from: fieldafm on January 16, 2012, 02:28:35 PM
There is a new bill being circulated that expands land ownership over water, which could potentially further limit waterway access (even if you are floating in the river).
local or state?? Submerged lands lease?? ultimately a state matter/Trustees/State Constitution
Navigable waters are public.
Public Trust Doctrine. Upheld. Come to think of it,we are past due another attempt.....current political environment ripe for attempted Raid......will the stage shift to NE Florida?
HB 1103. Titusville sponsor.
Although seemingly off FIND thread,all of this is connected.......
HB 1103,ridiculous as it is,and unlikely to be implemented,would likely cause little limitation to current Downtown Float access over public waters.
We as River Advocates must look in the mirror and wonder why the Sovereign scheme re- emerges.
Elsewhere throughout the state,according to certain wetland belt,water body features there would be harmful new limitations to historical access.Some boat,hunt,fish,recreation interests are predictably up in arms,a sordid repeat of history.
(After all,Rodman Pool/ Ocklawaha restoration advocates are effectively cast in the suicidal narrative as "Extremist")
These interests should finally learn to not vote the despoilers in to office nor allow an unchecked Despoiler Narrative.
Quote from: north miami on January 17, 2012, 05:56:07 AM
Although seemingly off FIND thread,all of this is connected.......
HB 1103,ridiculous as it is,and unlikely to be implemented,would likely cause little limitation to current Downtown Float access over public waters.
We as River Advocates must look in the mirror and wonder why the Sovereign scheme re- emerges.
Elsewhere throughout the state,according to certain wetland belt,water body features there would be harmful new limitations to historical access.Some boat,hunt,fish,recreation interests are predictably up in arms,a sordid repeat of history.
(After all,Rodman Pool/ Ocklawaha restoration advocates are effectively cast in the suicidal narrative as "Extremist")
These interests should finally learn to not vote the despoilers in to office nor allow an unchecked Despoiler Narrative.
Time is running out on this cycle for FIND project submissions.
At the 2/14/12 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting during Public comments my hat is off to Tom Ingram for speaking up about his concern for the $1,000,000 zoo dredge that may only have a 5 year life to it. He expressed the same concern at the special Waterways FIND subcommittee meeting for canoe and kayak launches. At that meeting he brought up the same concern about the zoo dredge. The $1,000,000 could go a long way on some smaller projects. He too was making one last plea. Who wants to wait another year?
The Arlington River dredge was scratched from the list. That was Redman's baby and he hasn't said one word about it. This months meeting with FIND is in south Florida. Still don't have a sponsor (city council member) for Duval county. What is exciting is the resurrection of 2009-442 and the Artificial Reef Trust Fund and imagine an artificial reef in the river south of the Fuller Warren. Very exciting. Will keep you all posted.
Jacksonville Waterways Commission/ Carter Bryan Ortega River entrance dredge,Navigation Marker shuffle was a real hoot too.
Why in fact do we really need a Waterways Commission?
So what is making the list? Ask Redman.
Does anyone know what is on the 2012 list?
Ask Redman. He is the chair of Waterways.
It will have you shaking your head and saying WTF
W- Wheres
T- The
F- Food Truck?
Does anyone know what are the FIND projects are for this year? Waterways meeting in 3 days. Hey! Its only our taxes.
Special Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting on a resolution pending before the Jax city council on FIND projects today at 5 in council chambers.
Jacksonville is so Lost.
Quote from: Noone on October 03, 2011, 06:13:21 PM
Right now if any council district has a dredging project or is interested in a small craft launch for canoes or kayaks for their district constituents now is the time to speak up.
A year later. The total absolute destruction of the Public Trust. Complete manipulation of ad volorem property tax revenue for self serving personal gain and the conspiracy to defraud the Public. Only in Duval county. Visit Jacksonville.
So who's going to this dog and pony show Monday at 9:30 for a Jacksonville Waterways FIND Committee meetings on FIND projects that nobody had an opportunity to participate in? Who should be immediately fired? All you have to do is pull the tape from the 11/14/12 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting. What a statewide joke. Picking the winners and losers. Mostly the losers. We are so LOST. Will anyone from the media be there?
Lets remember that as a result of last years disaster we passed 2012-402.
Anything known about a kayak launch off Gay Ave in St.Nicholas?
I receive a noticeable bit of correspondence regarding a launch onto the Ortega/("Cedar?") River from the Roosevelt Square area as well. (South of Wabash Ave/Birkenhead, East of US17, near the bookmine, south of old Pier 17/ now sailors exchange)
Also, IF I were to donate a waterfront lot across from Bayview elementary on Lake Shore Boulevard, how could I "fast track" this so to speak?
Granted
Lake Marco, pottsburgh, old St.Lukes are key priority launch points for kayakers onto a Jax paddlers blueway.
But when you have time to read and respond, "Noone",
please know that I would very highly value any information toward adding attractions to both St.Nicolas AND Lakeshore.
I have considered purchasing three waterfront lots in the 1700 block of Lakeshore Blvd for this purpose, but feel that east of Blanding may be a better starting point for that area.
I appreciate any ideas and thoughts you may have in mind.
Has anyone here ever kayaked in McCoys Creek east of the Park Street viaduct? From aerials, it appears it may be possible, at least to Cash Building Materials near North Riverside. When the creek was channelized in 1930, it was dredged and widened to allow for small barges to transport goods to and from various industries in the vicinity. Is the waterway to contaminated for consideration of recreational use?
Spence, Lake, in two days at 9:30 4th floor city hall is the secret make up meeting for the latest round of FIND projects that there was never a Public notice for. Spence, in your case about purchasing a piece of land is a whole other animal. This new DIA will have a say in that if you are in the new zone. lakeshore is out of the zone. As for donating the land I'd show up at this meeting and tell your story. I've been telling them that we have a pier just sitting there for 10 years and you can see the Progress that's been made with that. There are 12 projects on the list that nobody knew about.
Right now the entire city should be concerned about a noticed meeting sent out Wend. Before Thanksgiving and First thing Monday morning is this FIND meeting. Not good. Will this meeting be empty or packed?
Who will be getting a million dollar payday for Palms Fish Camp and they never even opened the door?
I'm also interested in the Artificial Reef project in the River south of the Fuller Warren that was just waiting on one letter to keep that moving forward. An update on that should be addressed at this meeting. HUGE meeting. Will anyone from the DIA attend this meeting? The DIA will now be fighting aggressively for this potential funding source especially in a cash strapped Northbank CRA.
Anyone going?
Quote from: Noone on February 16, 2012, 09:39:13 PM
Time is running out on this cycle for FIND project submissions.
At the 2/14/12 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting during Public comments my hat is off to Tom Ingram for speaking up about his concern for the $1,000,000 zoo dredge that may only have a 5 year life to it. He expressed the same concern at the special Waterways FIND subcommittee meeting for canoe and kayak launches. At that meeting he brought up the same concern about the zoo dredge. The $1,000,000 could go a long way on some smaller projects. He too was making one last plea. Who wants to wait another year?
The Arlington River dredge was scratched from the list. That was Redman's baby and he hasn't said one word about it. This months meeting with FIND is in south Florida. Still don't have a sponsor (city council member) for Duval county. What is exciting is the resurrection of 2009-442 and the Artificial Reef Trust Fund and imagine an artificial reef in the river south of the Fuller Warren. Very exciting. Will keep you all posted.
I make a motion that we gather up all of the PCT Buses and 'volunteer' them for reef duty!
What's with the zoo dredge? Was this a project to channel from the zoo pier to deep water? I actually like the idea but I don't know how you'd keep it clear as most of the Trout River is mud flats only a foot or two deep.
Do we have a Kayak launch on the Trout up on US-1 around Dinsmore? As you know I'm not a big fan of the factory manufactured commercial kayak launch, when a load of sand along one of our 60+ Creeks would do the trick. I prefer to put in along tiny waterways where power boats don't or rarely go.
A launch on Dunn's Creek at New Berlin Road and or Dunn's Creek Road would be cool too.
Otherwise, there are several other places in Lori Boyer's district that would use a natural launch, we could scout out several others ranging from the upper McGirts Creek in Argyle to Pottsburg as far up as US-1. Got a chain saw? Will explore.
Ock, Are you going?
Jacksonville Waterways Committee meeting on the Secret FIND list today at 9:30 city hall 4th floor. Open to the PUBLIC and a great Pub Crawl conversation piece as you are crossing our future restricted river.
The Lake Marco/ Marco Lake, Marco/Polo project needs to be pulled. I haven't even been there and it needs to be pulled.
There is existing money in this new DIA/CRA Zone for that project.
We are so LOST.
Is there any way to be a bigger joke in the state of Florida?
With 100's of 1000's of dollars on the line Nobody shows up. Will have more on this disaster later.
Palms Fish Camp- Who will be getting $2,000,000 for never even opening up the door?
There was a project that was added to the Secret list.
The Historic Promised 680' Downtown Public Pier is not on the list right now.
Did a site inspection after the meeting with someone and it may make the list for the next Waterways meeting.
Special interests are on the list. How special!
2 days out.
Secret FIND list to be announced and advanced to our city council.
Quote from: Noone on October 12, 2011, 06:28:52 AM
Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting in 3 hours. Have you asked your city councilperson about any Waterway Issue for your district? Any dredging for your creek? There was a special Waterways FIND subcommittee meeting to identify canoe and kayak launches. The meeting was 2 1/2 hours. HUGE ANNOUNCEMENTS coming.
What will we be telling our Regional Partners? JAXCOMMERCE are you excited?
Jerry Mallot lets kayak Hogans Creek. I'm serious.
Boyer, Love, My early picks as being pro active for river access. Just ask for your constituents and you will receive. River Oaks Park......A slam dunk
Redman, Gaffney, Have abandoned their constituents. Pocket Parks- Pocket Piers. It will be 3 years in December when I approached the Commissioners of the Florida Inland Navigation District about the potential of the use of a Waterfront Public Access street end and their guidance to me was that you need a sponsor. A city councilmember. Mike Messiano the Duval County representative has been super. In a city of almost 1 million not one city councilmember has stepped up to the plate.
Jacksonville is a joke. We are about to lose city council oversite Downtown with redistricting and a total Govt. Takeover by a new Authority and that will include Public Access and Economic opportunity to our St. Johns River our American Heritage. River.
Palms Fish Camp? What a disaster.
Has any councilmember asked about a FIND project for their constituents? Does anybody care? 630-1377 call and ask. Don Redman is the chair of Waterways and was at the special Waterways Find subcommittee meeting so he knows what is on the list. Somebody, anybody, please make a call and report back on this thread. If you are outside of Duval county you will then have a better understanding of how the Public Trust is being just totally crushed in this community. I'm serious.
Anybody want to kayak Downtown?
Commissioners of FIND go to the front of the line.
Regional Partners.
Be concerned. I'm scared to death
Will we be saying
VISIT JACKSONVILLE
or
DON"T VISIT JACKSONVILLE
Less than 24 hours out from the noticed meeting of the FIND subcommittee chaired by Gary Anderson of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission to make up for the non noticed meeting that would have been a Public forum that didn't happen in identifying projects for the 2013 FIND grant application cycle. Total crushing of the Public Trust.
10 am. 4th floor city hall. Open to the Public. Anyone going?
In less than two hours. Tom Ingram are you going? Was there ever a Public meeting like last year?
Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting in two days and first on the agenda is SUNSHINE PRESENTATION. This is not good.
Timing couldn't be better because at the last full meeting of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting was a Presentation by Mark Crosely with FIND along with Duval county FIND representative Aaron Bowman.
Tom Ingram was there and dominated again.
Exchange Club Island is number one on the FIND Prioritized Project List for 2013.
Has anyone found out if the the sidewalk next to the new Bulkhead at the Cummer which was never before Waterways is a Public or Private sidewalk? Major Public Announcement if it's Public. Anyone.
Meetings are continuing. We continue to be LOST.
what does LOST stand for?
Left On Sidewalk Thinking?
The Waterways Commission meeting is tomorrow (Wed, Jan 9) at 9:30am at Council Chambers. Here are my comments based on yesterday's meeting and the proposals discussed. If you have comments, please keep in mind that the decisionmakers probably won't see your responses in metrojacksonville.com before tomorrow morning. Jim Love, John Crescimbeni and Lori Boyer are the Council Members on the Commission.
To: Members of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission
From: Tom Ingram
cc: Tera Meeks, Jodi McDaniel, Kelly Boree
Date: January 8, 2013
Re: FIND Subcommittee Meeting on January 7, Recommendations
Members of the FIND Subcommittee of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission met yesterday to evaluate the Administration’s proposed list of projects for funding using the Florida Inland Navigation District’s matching grant program. According to staff, there is approximately $1.1 Million available at a 50/50 match for projects not involving land acquisition (so up to $2.2 Million total available for such programs assuming that the City funded the maximum amount). If you have already read the minutes that John Jackson prepared and are short on time, please see my comments beginning on page 2. For those of you who have not seen the minutes, here is how the subcommittee voted on the project list:
Location On Motion to Approve Project Summary (my summary not Admin.)
Exchange Island 4-0 Design and Permit small boat dock and shoreline area, hiking trail, pavilions with tables and grills
Sisters Creek ICW Dock Redesign 4-0 Design and Permit (incl. survey) for relocating pilings and docks on ICW side
Ortega River Channel Markers 4-0 Install (construct) channel markers on the Ortega River to limit permanent anchoring of boats in navigable channel
County Dock Road Park and Boat Ramp 3-1 Design and Permit removal of rip rap and old boat ramp; pour new launch area for hand-launch boats; remove old pilings; remove parking obstructions
Northbank Riverwalk Bridge (at Geffen Park) 0-4 Design and permit replacement of wooden pedestrian bridge on Northbank Riverwalk
Geffen Park Kayak Launch 2-2 Design and permit kayak launch area
Northshore Park Kayak Launch 3-1 Design and permit kayak launch area
Lighting at 4 Boat Ramps 4-0 Install lighting at 4 boat ramps
Reed Island 0-4 Design and permit boat dock at Reed Island, a peninsula that lacks legal access by land located across from Blount Island
Harborview Dredging 2-2 Design and permit dredging between boat ramp and Ribault River channel
Blue Cypress Boardwalk Extension 4-0 Design extension of Blue Cypress Boardwalk from existing terminus to Arlington Lions Club boat ramp
San Marco Lake Kayak Launch 0-4 Design and permit kayak access and parking plan on Lake Marco.
Dock at Charles Reese Memorial Park (Ribault River) 2-2 Design and permit public dock
Half Moon Island Land Acquisition 2-2 Acquire land having an existing boat ramp at (with a 25% FIND match) on Half Moon Island (note that the City currently owns over 200 acres of Half Moon Island)
Floating Dock at Shipyards 0-4 Install floating dock near pier at the Shipyards, suggested by John Nooney at the meeting
Boating Master Plan 4-0 Seek one-time grant from FIND to revise a boating master plan for Duval County
In addition to these, I suggested three projects: (1) modify the existing permits and agreement with Fidelity to allow for week-long use of the $400,000 floating dock beneath the Fuller Warren Bridge, currently usable only during the Riverside Arts Market; (2) Add a boat ramp or kayak launch (whichever is most expedient and feasible in near term) to the over 16 acres of property that the City purchased adjacent to the Nassau River on Half Moon Island for a park in 1999, and (3) Design and permit a pier and floating dock at Stockton Park in Ortega, along the lines of that which exists at County Dock Road in Mandarin but with a platform for launching kayaks, standup paddleboards and windsurfers. The consensus of the committee and staff, and I agree, is not to add these to the FIND grant process but to evaluate them further in the coming year.
Comments
Fund the Bridge Replacement on Northbank Riverwalk. The Northbank Riverwalk extension, between the Acosta and Fuller Warren Bridges, needs to remain a continuous walkway. Part of this walkway is bridge that was designed as a temporary structure to get this stretch of riverwalk opened before the Super Bowl. The Administration believes that this bridge needs to be replaced, and has proposed using matching FIND funds to help pay for it. If the Riverwalk can’t be walked from one end to the other, this affects far more constituents than any of the other projects being discussed. Please provide necessary funds to repair this bridge or reroute the riverwalk so that no bridge is necessary.
Fund the Geffen Kayak Launch Design. This is the best site for kayak launching that exists downtown. Kayaks launch in currents all the time, in places like the Duval County’s own Intracoastal Waterway and the creeks throughout the Timucuan Preserve in Duval and Nassau Counties. Less-experienced kayakers may find other access points more suitable, like County Dock Road or Stinson Park, but that is not reason to exclude all kayak access in this stretch of the river.
Design and Permitting Cost Estimates. In general, the subcommittee expressed concern that the estimated maximum design and permitting costs were excessively high. The staff explained that these are estimates and said that it planned to have additional information available at the full Waterways Commission meeting. I know that the Commission could spend the entire meeting tomorrow and then some discussing whether the currently estimated maximum design and permitting costs are too high. I think this is a serious issue, but I would hope that concerns over the Administration’s ability to accurately estimate design and permitting costs does not cause water access projects to be killed entirely. Assuming this is a concern, please let the projects move forward to begin the grant process, and work with the Administration to refine the estimated maximum costs of these projects.
Do Not Proceed with Boating Master Plan. The Assistant Executive Director of FIND explained at the last Waterways Commission meeting that if you do seek funding for a master plan, they would want subsequent funding applications to be consistent with it. With that caveat, the plan will need to be extremely broad to keep the Administration and Council’s options open, and will effectively render the plan meaningless. We will also use a lot of time and effort to discuss, debate and refine an abstract plan that does not actually result in increased public access to our waterways. The process will invite conflict between various user groups who may perceive this to be a zero-sum game. Going beyond much more than generalities requires a finer level of assessment about the potential sites and available funding -- information that varies on a year to year basis. Situations change too fast for a detailed master plan to be worthwhile for much more than two or three years. For example, standup paddleboarding barely existed five years ago, and recent bans on keeping bottom fish caught offshore together with high fuel prices are affecting where and how people fish. Let us focus our efforts on actually maintaining and improving water access and not generalized plans as to how we might go about it in the future.
Support the other recommendations of the Subcommittee.
Thank you for your consideration.
Less than two hours out. Rules. 2012-728 Waive Competitive Sealed Bids for 10 Years. Next to a FIND Project. Will also be in Finance and RCD. The First Secret FIND list had County Dock with a total cost. $50,000. 30 days later the updated Prioritized list had County dock at $100,000. $50,000 dollar increase and we have had a year to work on this.
Scott Wilson, Don Redman, Tell everyone about the status of the Pottsburg Creek dredge.
How fast will a Mayor Brown kayak launch logo be put up at Palmer Terrace Park Dist.4?
Just give everyone on MJ one bid that you have received for a slab of concrete for the new clock?
Or is the bid going to be wrapped in a 6 figure cost for the marker?
Next meeting Jan. 28. Will go to full city council because of 2012-402
Yesterday at Rules 2012-728 was amended. Still going to Finance and RCD. Jan. 28 costs for projects to be presented for Waterways and then council 2012-402.
3 days out from what should be one of the most interesting meetings as the 2013 FIND grant projects will be discussed and then move forward for Waterways 2/13/13 then city council approval. Meeting is 9:30 am 4th floor city council. Should be packed. Too bad it wasn't in council chambers and then everyone would be able to watch it.
We left $500,000 Ad Valorem property tax money on the table last year. What is the status of the Pottsberg Creek dredge Dist.4 Kayak logo coming to Palmer Terrace Park Dist. 4? What will be the separate cost to remove the pilings at County Dock and Sidney Geffen? Any pre guesses? Field, Tom Ingram would you guys like to meet and see if we could get out one piling at Sidney Geffen out and then report back to Waterways? Of coarse we will see what's discussed Monday but just throwing it out there.
Councilman Redman can you still share just one bid on the slab of concrete for the Jacobs Clock? Does anybody know? Our city is so broke.
$100,000's and thousands of our ad valorem property tax money will be decided in less than 4 hours on the 4th floor of city hall at 9:30 am. The super duper secret FIND list has now been exposed. And we are so LOST. I'd say park near Chamblin's but are there two hour meters? The other challenge for Downtown is to get Downtown without leaving Downtown with a $15 parking ticket.
Anyone going? Anybody care? Did Palms Fish Camp Vision start off like this? is the Public Trust being restored to our Waterways?
Will there be separate bids for County Dock and Sidney Geffen to remove the pilings?
Does anyone know just one bid price for the concrete slab for the Jacobs clock? That will soon be met with euphoric celebration?
Let's all remember that acting chair of Waterways Councilman Jim Love along with Jacksonville Waterways Commission member Ralph Hodges has directed Jody McDaniel to get a price for a floating dock next to the Shipyards III pier next to the new Riverwalk Bay St. Connection.
Ben Warner - JCCI, we need to kayak Downtown before 2025.
The 1/28/13 meeting of the full Jacksonville Waterways Commission to complete the 2013 FIND Prioritized Grant list for the Jacksonville city council was a 3 1/2 hour meeting that will now continue Feb. 13 at 8 am to complete the list.
Some items made the list and some items didn't and some may be needed to be appealed to a higher court.
There wasn't one person from the media TV, Print, or Radio in attendance.
Props have to be given to the process. Councilman Jim Love, the Chair did an excellent job. First up on the list was Exchange Club Island. Pats on the back to councilwoman Boyer who set a precedent moving forward on this project that set the tone for other projects moving forward.
Exchange Club Island is on the list. With a $200,000 Construction Cost cap.
Jim King Park at Sisters Creek is in.
8 Ortega Channel Markers are in.
County Dock was amended to $175,000
Northbank Riverwalk Replacement is in. Something other than wood.
Geffen Park Kayak Launch is out.
Northshore Kayak Launch is in.
Lighting at 4 Boat Ramps
ICW at Beach Blvd. next to Crazy Fish is in.
Lighting at Jim King Park is in.
Lighting at Arlington Lions Club is out.
Lighting at Wayne B. Stevens is out.
Tom Ingram was there and I hope he shares his detailed analysis. It was a good meeting.
Special meeting of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting 8 days out.
FIND
Quote from: toi on January 08, 2013, 01:40:16 PM
Floating Dock at Shipyards 0-4 Install floating dock near pier at the Shipyards, suggested by John Nooney at the meeting
In addition to these, I suggested three projects: (1) modify the existing permits and agreement with Fidelity to allow for week-long use of the $400,000 floating dock beneath the Fuller Warren Bridge, currently usable only during the Riverside Arts Market; (2) Add a boat ramp or kayak launch (whichever is most expedient and feasible in near term) to the over 16 acres of property that the City purchased adjacent to the Nassau River on Half Moon Island for a park in 1999, and (3) Design and permit a pier and floating dock at Stockton Park in Ortega, along the lines of that which exists at County Dock Road in Mandarin but with a platform for launching kayaks, standup paddleboards and windsurfers. The consensus of the committee and staff, and I agree, is not to add these to the FIND grant process but to evaluate them further in the coming year.
5 days out for the 8am start of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting which will continue with the 2013 FIND cycle grant application that will need to be approved by council 2012-402 and then forwarded to the Commissioners of FIND who are appointed by the Governor representing the east coast of the state of Florida.
The Jim Love, Kevin Kuzel Riverwalk Floating dock compromise near the Shipyards pier and property is Brilliant and was totally misrepresented by (OGC) Office of General Counsel at the last meeting. immediate reconsideration needs to be given by the Administration, Waterways Commission, DIA, and the Jacksonville city council.
Tom, Are you going? In a city of a million there were only 4 people from the Public that I would say that we're there and not representing a govt. position. $100's of thousands of our ad valorem property tax revenue up for grabs. Does anybody care? Total misrepresentation by OGC. We have VISION.
Ben Warner-JCCI we need to kayak Downtown before 2025.
Less than 3 hours out. Huge decisions being made as it relates to Public Access and economic opportunity. Anyone going? Palms Fish Camp- A funding source? DIA Board meeting at 2.
2025 is 2013
The 2/13/13 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting was over 5 hours long. There were some high points and some low points. Tom Ingram was there for the meeting and I hope he shares his analysis.
Not one person from the media was in attendance.
Dave Roman was a no show.
Kelly Boree was a no show.
I'll start by saying that the Public Trust in this community has been totally crushed and destroyed and lets get ready to VISIT corruption when showing our city from the water DOWNTOWN and we'll start with SHIPYARDS III. The Office of General Council in my opinion gets credit for the total misrepresentation for this future tour. Play the tape and you will be able to hear it for yourself.
Like I said there were definitely highs and lows for this marathon meeting. I must give props to commission members Love, Boyer, Crescimbeni, Hodges, Shine for meaningful engagement. These were the stars in my opinion. There may have been one eclipse. But I have a feeling that they will get it with the next rotation.
I'm writing this after reading Lakes comments from the Live Blogging of the DIA thread and his comments about the Southbank Riverwalk and the closing of the Southbank Riverwalk and the fishing that is currently allowed in that part of our vibrant Downtown. Well, BINGO! That is also what's happening on the Northbank. The previous day I attended the Hemming Plaza committee meeting of the DIA. The bottom line is that this new Authority will have complete and total control over a 20 square mile area. And a river happens to run through the middle of it. So the legislative actions that are happening right now should be the biggest wake up call for the people of Jacksonville. I'm All In.
So who wants to kayak and fish Downtown under the brand new No Fishing signs that was never before Waterways and we'll put in at a kayak launch that still needs a Mayor Brown kayak logo.
Ben Warner- JCCI we need to kayak Downtown before 2025
I am Downtown and why you aren't.
Quote from: fieldafm on January 16, 2012, 02:28:35 PM
There is a new bill being circulated that expands land ownership over water, which could potentially further limit waterway access (even if you are floating in the river).
Has anything happened with this?
Anyone want to write a check for a buck to 2009-442 Artificial Reef Trust Fund for the 6 potential Artificial Reefs in the River south of the Fuller Warren? How about you Stephen? I'll deliver it personally at DIA, City Council, or Waterways.
Talk about shovel ready. Today before RCD and Finance is 2013-51 and the funding for one artificial reef 12 miles offshore. I support this.
What needs to be addressed is the funding for the 6 artificial reef locations in the river that will also join Mayor Brown in making Downtown a Destination and not a pass through on our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a Federal Initiative.
Potential funding sources.
1. $100,000 from Administration
2. Palms Fish Camp -$100,000 taxpayer clawback. OGC. Next to a FIND project.
Lets remember that the Public Trust continues to be totally destroyed in this community.
Next Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting 4/10/12 and just 15 hours out. Boat show this weekend Downtown. The people that are Downtown for the Metro Park and the Entertainment zone. But Hey! You all just witnessed first hand 2013-214 and the circumventing of due process. 20 chairs for $20 grand is a joke. This was not an emergency.
Don't forget the Jim Love, Kevin Kuzel Berkman floating dock compromise (Shipyards III) and the misrepresentation by OGC to the Jacksonville Waterways Commission during the 2013 FIND grant application process which is our ad valorem property taxes. The total crushing of the Public Trust. This really happened. Governor Scott, please help.
Great meeting of the LOST 8 hours out. Anyone going? Anybody care? The massive cover up of opportunity. I hope the FBI shows up. Who gets the RICO award for the Waterways in Duval county?
Each launch is a Spark.
Ben-JCCI we need to kayak Downtown before 2025.
The 4/25/13 4th floor city hall 1pm meeting of the great LOST didn't disappoint. This was a Florida Inland Navigation District (FIND) Subcommittee meeting of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission.
The Chair is Gary Anderson. Also present was Lane Burnett, Scott Shine. Ralph Hodges was Excused and Capt. Jim Suber didn't make it. from COJ was Marilyn Allen, John Jackson and Paige Johnston from OGC. And why not for the record the only other people that were there was me, Councilman Jim Love and Kevin Kuzel of the world famous Berkman Floating dock compromise (Shipyards III), Jody McDaniel from the Planning Dept. and Janie Thomas representing the Shrimpers Association. Thats it.
The big No Shows were Don Redman, Scott Wilson, Dave Roman, Tera Meeks, Kelley Boree.
Going straight from the agenda
I Call to Order
II Chairman Anderson Opening Remarks
III Update the status of FIND Process
IV Discuss Outreach opportunities to get input from citizens
V Outline any multi-year potential projects for consideration
VI Comments from the Commissioners
VII Adjourn
The meeting didn't start on time because a new tape was needed but right off the top I have to give Chairman Anderson props because even though Public Comment wasn't on the agenda he did allow for full participation from everyone to share their thoughts and concerns throughout the meeting.
So basically where are we with FIND. LOST. Don and Scott feel free to jump in here at any time and share with everyone in Duval County how you have potentially crippled this community. You shut down Metro Park. Rip the tables and chairs out of Hemming Plaza and now the potential to cripple a whole list of FIND projects under your leadership. Ben- JCCI is there a Vision statement for this? Now can we get the Mayor Brown kayak logo for Palmer Terrace Park?
Don and Scott, feel free to share with everyone the Pottsburg Creek dredge. The $250,000 design is committed.
Also on the agenda was Outreach opportunities and Commissioner Anderson along with Parks and the Administration want to make presentations to the 6 CPACS throughout the city to explain to the citizens the opportunities that exist with FIND.
The highlight of the meeting for me and there weren't many was under multi year potential projects and Commissioner Scott Shine and the recommendation of the City of Jacksonville Boat Access Master Plan. And this can be done immediately with the help of FIND.
The last was done in 2002 and COJ paid $70,000 and half being reimbursed with FIND. So the plan is to seek $100,000 and get $50,000 from the city. So where would the $50,000 come from? I mentioned that we could get $20,000 if the council sucked it up and used their chairs for another year. Hey, got a smile out of Jim. Also mentioned the open law suit that the city has with Palms Fish Camp that is next to a FIND project and part of the negotiated settlement could be money not only for the Boat Master Plan but 2009-442 the Artificial Reef Trust Fund. Again I have to give props to Chairman Anderson because this is the type of discussion that was happening. Again the no shows from key people doesn't help either. Councilman Love hasn't seen the 2002 Boat Master Plan but on the surface this project should move forward and props to Commissioner Shine and the rest of the city council to get behind this.
Also Janie Thomas brought up a concern with hurricane season around the corner and an emergency plan for bringing in the big shrimp trawlers to Downtown or further south if need be. I have to give Councilman props because he was immediately contacting Marty Senterfit with Emergency Preparedness to address this request.
The meeting was under two hours. I still shared a concern if you think for a second that we are getting more Public Access and Economic opportunity to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a Federal Initiative in our newly created Downton DIA zone I say No. All you have to Do is look at the RAM dock. Only opened when RAM is open.
Governor Scott- Please help.
Ben - JCCI we need to kayak Downtown before 2025
The sequel to the great LOST is 3 hours out and will now be a full meeting of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission at 9:30 1 st floor city hall. Haven't seen the agenda.
Have been emailing and calling Don Redman and let's see if there is a figure for the Pottsberg Creek dredge. No response.
I've just given up on asking you know who about you know what.
Environmental Ethics-Vince Seibold
Boat Ramp Master Plan-Will it happen?
2009-442-Artificial Reef Trust Fund- 6 permitted reefs south of the Fuller Warren- Checks delivered on their behalf. POSITIVE.
Palmer Terrace Park- Mayor Brown Kayak Logo
Sydney Geffen Park-Mayor Brown Kayak Logo
The Jim Love, Kevin Kuzel Berkman floating dock compromise misrepresented by OGC to the full JWC during the 2013 FIND grant application process.
DIA- Downtown Experience for who?
Palms Fish Camp - Corruption
2007-451- Jim Bailey, Lynette Self. Positive
Pocket Parks- Pocket Piers
Ben - JCCI we need to kayak Downtown before 2025
Ran into Don Redman after the Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting and he said the number is in on the Pottberg Creek dredge. He told me to call Scott Wilson. Scott, What is the number for the dredge? We already have committed $250,000 design. This is a FIND project.
What a great intro into the JCCI Vision 2025.
The cost for the scaled back Pottsburg Creek Dredge is $800,000. The design ended up being $190,000.
JCCI-JAX VISION 2025 3 hours out. Anyone going?
Can the city of the great LOST FIND FIND?
The FIND REEF, The LOST REEF
The 5/15/13 meeting of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting can only be described as blurred VISION.
Hey, FBI RICO Interns some good pointers here.
Going from the minutes of 4/10/13 JWC minutes in attendance: CM Jim Love (Chair), Lori Boyer (Vice Chair), CM John Crecimbeni was excused. Commissioners Gary Anderson, Lane Burnett, Ralph Hodges, Ray Pringle, Scott Shine, Stephen Swann, Penny Thompson; Commissioners Ed Fleming and John Godfrey were excused, State Representative Lake Ray was excused, Peggy Sidman, OGC; Dr. Quinton White, JU; Capt. Jim Suber, Waterways Coordinator/Dockmaster;Dave Roman, Mayor's office; Lisa Rinaman, SJRK; David Kaufman, Jaxport; Mike Hollingsworth, USACE; John Flowe, Betsey Deuerling and Tom Mallett , Environmental Quality Division; John Nooney, Recreational Fishing Alliance; Ron Littlepage, David Bauerlin, Florida Times Union; Joe Wilhelm, FNDR; Kevin Kuzel, ECA (Love); Legislative Assistant Marilyn Allen; John J. Jackson, Council Research Division.
The 5/15/13 JWC starts with a blistering Agenda with key No Shows
Jody McDaniel and No FIND update along with signature project Dist. 4 Don Redman and Scott Wilson Pottsberg Creek.
Kelley Boree - No show
Dave Roman - No show
Nobody from the media.
Tera Meeks did arrive later and appears to have an assistant.
Straight from the agenda.
I. Approval of JWC minutes.
II. 2013-265 Ord. Repealing Ord. 2011-239-E, re Heritage Rd& it's closure & abandonment; Auth. Grant of Easements with Riverfront Associates, LLC; Obligating owner to file a conservation Easement within 1 yr.
III. Presentation by the Offshore Jacksonville Fishing Club. Commissioner Scott Shine/Commissioner Love
IV. Presentation by Environmental Quality Division.
V. St. Johns River Status Report. Dr. Quinton White, JU
Water Quality & Manatee. Dr. Gerard Pinto, JU
VI. St. Johns River Issue Update. Lisa Rinaman, SJRK
VII. Old Business
New Business
VIII. Public Comments
So where do you want to start? This meeting was brutal.
II. 2013-265 Is anyone here representing the applicant? let's defer it.
2013-289 Oak Harbor Boat Ramp. Let's defer it. Ah heck let just get these out of here. 2013-265- failed and 2013-289 passed.
III. Presentation by the Jacksonville Offshore Fishing Club. They donated a $1000 to 2009-442 the Artificial Reef Trust Fund. Talking with them before the meeting a lot of this money was raised with the El Cheapo Sheaphead tournament. And this was one of a few $1000 dollar donations that they have awarded. Great Stuff. Scott Shine, Please share more info on this.
The River City Challenge 4/27/13 just happened and how much was raised for the North Florida Land Trust Last Year and this year? That should be on the Waterways agenda.
IV. Environmental Quality on the agenda were sitting in the audience but chairman Love just blew right over them. Don't know why. Vince Seibold.
V. Dr. Pinto reported after a Monday flight that there are 141 manatees in the area. That is so cool.
VI. Lisa reported that the Army Corps of Engineers on May 31st will be the release date of the dredge report. Then there will be a 60 day window of Public comment.
VII. Old Business and New Business is where you want to take the old city council chairs and lets remember there was No Public hearing, No bid, and voted on as an emergency and dump them south of the Fuller Warren and call it the INSIDER REEF.
So at the end of the meeting and the 4 Offshore people who just donated a $1000 bucks to 2009-442 have left the building. So up to the podium come the 4 people with the CCA and they say we will donate $5000 and there wasn't a check or photo op but they insisted and got the naming rights to two of the now 4 in the river reefs south of the Fuller Warren Bridge.
So let's recap that. Initially there were 5 reefs and we increased it to 6 and a secret meeting and now we are down to 4 and just say that you are going to do it and instead of being happy with one reef you are locking up two reefs. And the one reef will be called the CCA reef
Coastal Conservation Association Reef.
Scott Shine had a little bit of heartburn and said what about the Hooters Reef. I think it's wrong and it just screams back room stuff. I shared this with other concerns just hours later at the full Board meeting of the DIA. How about the CBRE Reef, Daily Record Reef, Everbank Reef, Wyndam Reef, Is this an emergency like the comfy chairs? NO!
It was passed with a Waterways Resolution that is weaker than a city council resolution that would make everyone aware of this slip it in fast one.
On a more positive note the Boat Ramp Master Plan also discussed during the old and new business part of the agenda resulted in Chairman Love leading the way in sponsoring legislation that is being drafted and will be introduced to council. This is the way it should happen. Super props to Shine, Boyer and fellow Waterway Commission members.
During Public Comment I reminded everyone about the Jim Love, Kevin Kuzel Berkman Floating dock compromise misrepresented by OGC during the 2013 FIND grant Application process.
I welcome any correction to the above interpretation of this meeting.
A new Authority
embrace It
Or
it will Embrace Us.
Secret FIND meeting 7 days out. The Jacksonville city council has been shut out as well as Jacksonville Waterway Commission members as to what is on the list. Share this process with the Vanguard people.
Quote from: stephendare on February 14, 2013, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: Noone on February 14, 2013, 07:20:42 AM
The 2/13/13 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting was over 5 hours long. There were some high points and some low points. Tom Ingram was there for the meeting and I hope he shares his analysis.
Not one person from the media was in attendance.
Dave Roman was a no show.
Kelly Boree was a no show.
I'll start by saying that the Public Trust in this community has been totally crushed and destroyed and lets get ready to VISIT corruption when showing our city from the water DOWNTOWN and we'll start with SHIPYARDS III. The Office of General Council in my opinion gets credit for the total misrepresentation for this future tour. Play the tape and you will be able to hear it for yourself.
Like I said there were definitely highs and lows for this marathon meeting. I must give props to commission members Love, Boyer, Crescimbeni, Hodges, Shine for meaningful engagement. These were the stars in my opinion. There may have been one eclipse. But I have a feeling that they will get it with the next rotation.
I'm writing this after reading Lakes comments from the Live Blogging of the DIA thread and his comments about the Southbank Riverwalk and the closing of the Southbank Riverwalk and the fishing that is currently allowed in that part of our vibrant Downtown. Well, BINGO! That is also what's happening on the Northbank. The previous day I attended the Hemming Plaza committee meeting of the DIA. The bottom line is that this new Authority will have complete and total control over a 20 square mile area. And a river happens to run through the middle of it. So the legislative actions that are happening right now should be the biggest wake up call for the people of Jacksonville. I'm All In.
So who wants to kayak and fish Downtown under the brand new No Fishing signs that was never before Waterways and we'll put in at a kayak launch that still needs a Mayor Brown kayak logo.
Ben Warner- JCCI we need to kayak Downtown before 2025
I am Downtown and why you aren't.
Nooney, you were there. And your audience is quite respectable in terms of readership.
One day out from the next great meeting of the LOST. 10am 4Th floor city hall. Does anyone have any idea of what projects are on the SECRET FIND list? It's only 100's of thousands of dollars of our ad valorem property tax revenue.
JCCI Vision 2025 Implimentation is right after this.
Ben-JCCI, We need to kayak Downtown before 2025.
4 hours out. Anyone going? The unveiling of the secret FIND list. Time to pick the winners and losers. Then head over to the JCCI 2025 Vision for Implimentation and at 5 today DIA Board meeting and the ne w guy Aundra Wallace.
Visit Jacksonville!
Doe Anybody Care? Hell NO!
And that was confirmed by attending the 6/26/13 great meeting of the LOST which was the Florida Inland Navigation District (FIND) subcommittee.
Pick and choose the winners and losers. Who wants to be a 501-C? I'm serious. Stick your hand out and get in line.
From the agenda in attendance. Gary Anderson (Chair); Lane Burnett; Ralph Hodges; Scott Shine; From the city in attendance Marilyn Allen, Legislative Assistant; John Jackson, Research Assistant; Paige Johnson, OGC.
Also there was Joe Wilhelm, Daily Record; Tera Meeks, Chief Waterfront Management; Jody McDaniel, Planning Dept. That is it.
On the Agenda
I. Call to Order & Introduction
II. Status of Past FIND Projects
III. Status of Jacksonville FIND Grant Application
IV. Review of existing Jacksonville Boating/Watercraft Access Master Plan & Scope
V. Update of Inventory of Existing Watercraft Accesses- Number & Condition
VI. Discussion of Proposed Waterfront Access Master Plan
VII. Old Business
VIII. New Business
IX. Adjourn
I arrived at III Status of Jacksonville FIND Grant Application and right from the beginning you are just shaking your head and feeling so sorry for the people of Jacksonville. This is our Ad Valorem property tax revenue and lets just remember that for months there have been HUGE no shows by key people during the lead up to this list at Jacksonville Waterways Commission meetings.
Scott Shine feel free to jump in here at any time. Scott was the hero and the reason will be the reevaluation of procurement that is Chapter 126 in the Ord. Code. Kind of like the recent No bid, No Public hearing legislation for the 20 new comfy chairs for Jacksonville city council members. Are the new comfy chairs in yet?
I want two of the old chairs for 2009-442 Corrupt Council Area Reef. This is positive.
So back to the great meeting of the LOST. And we are LOST.
As you can see there is no opportunity for Public Comment on the agenda so when I was recognized I informed the subcommittee immediately that I attended the 6/25/13 Jacksonville city council meeting and there was a Public Hearing on 2013-380 which is the FIND opportunity for a Boat Ramp Master Plan. This is POSITIVE.
The FIND subcommittee supported the moving forward of 2013-380 by a 4-0 vote. Great news for Jacksonville. The blurred Vision is clearing up. It still needs to go through committee and then voted on by council. Ben - JCCI JAX2025 where do we go to advocate for this?
So commenting on VI. from the agenda Discussion of proposed Waterfront Access Master Plan I shared with everyone about another Public Hearing 2013-384 and Authorizing a License Agreement with Sons of Confederate Veterans. I told the subcommittee when talking about (Waterfront Access) that the armory is next to Hogans Creek and this $1 a year license agreement needs to include a provision for Public Access to the creek. I also told them just look at RAM. You can only use the RAM dock when RAM is open. Not Good.
Reminded the subcommittee about the Jim Love, Kevin Kuzel, Berkman Floating dock compromise misrepresented by OGC during the 2013 FIND grant application process. And let's not forget the recent rejection at the 5/3/13 Downtown Experience DIA subcommittee meeting when I asked Tony Allegretti (Chair) if anyone wanted to use the floating dock at Shipyards and it was a resounding NO! Paul Crawford also echoed this (positive?) response. This was asked right after pictures were shown of the recent 4/27/13 Downtown River City Challenge.
Everyone was talking about Palms Fish Camp. hey RICO guys you still around?
Also, I informed the subcommittee that there was also a Public Hearing 2013-408 on the USS Charles F. Adams
I've given up on asking you know who about you know what.
TU, Anybody, Tell the people of Jacksonville what are our FIND options.
It was also announced that Don Redman will now be the Chair of Waterways.
I call the question. Kumbaya.
FBI RICO guys you still out there?
2013-373??????
Council just passed legislation to do away with Ethics training.
^Should the long term plan include an amendment to 2013-384 an active piece of legislation that would allow 24/7 Public Access to Hogans Creek? I'd say "Yes." It is in two committees and could be voted on by the full Jacksonville city council at the 9/24/13 meeting. The applicants were supportive of such an amendment at the Public Hearing. let's all Remember that the RAM dock is only open when RAM is open. Not good.
The immediate benefits. Public Parking. Put in a Bike Rack. Kayak Confederate Park. (We have launched here before) Join Paul Astleford the new CEO of VISIT JACKSONVILLE in not hindering TOURISM but PROMOTING TOURISM with an infill node of organic positive energy that translates into a connectivity of overflowing excitement of our Emerald Necklace (Chan Kreiger, DVI) that makes Downtown a Destination and not a pass through.
We are so LOST.
Downtown Experience Committee meeting of the DIA is 3 hours out. 4pm 1 st floor city hall and its open to the Public. Will there be any media there? The total crushing of the Public Trust. Has the new Waterway signage been reported anywhere? Have notified my councilman Don Redman who is also chair of Waterways.
Does anyone have a clue to the status of FIND projects?
This is pre Aundra Wallace( I feel so sorry for the man)
Governor Scott, Please help.
Does anyone have a clue as to the new Waterway signage Downtown?
Regional Partners pay attention to this.
If anyone posts a picture I'll treat you to Chopstick Charley's
Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting just 4 hours out. Don and Scott Dist. 4 please tell us all about the new signage.
JWCommission of Omission 1 hour out. Another great meeting of the LOST. 9 am council chambers.
Quote from: Noone on May 18, 2013, 09:20:54 PM
The FIND REEF, The LOST REEF
The 5/15/13 meeting of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting can only be described as blurred VISION.
Hey, FBI RICO Interns some good pointers here.
Going from the minutes of 4/10/13 JWC minutes in attendance: CM Jim Love (Chair), Lori Boyer (Vice Chair), CM John Crecimbeni was excused. Commissioners Gary Anderson, Lane Burnett, Ralph Hodges, Ray Pringle, Scott Shine, Stephen Swann, Penny Thompson; Commissioners Ed Fleming and John Godfrey were excused, State Representative Lake Ray was excused, Peggy Sidman, OGC; Dr. Quinton White, JU; Capt. Jim Suber, Waterways Coordinator/Dockmaster;Dave Roman, Mayor's office; Lisa Rinaman, SJRK; David Kaufman, Jaxport; Mike Hollingsworth, USACE; John Flowe, Betsey Deuerling and Tom Mallett , Environmental Quality Division; John Nooney, Recreational Fishing Alliance; Ron Littlepage, David Bauerlin, Florida Times Union; Joe Wilhelm, FNDR; Kevin Kuzel, ECA (Love); Legislative Assistant Marilyn Allen; John J. Jackson, Council Research Division.
The 5/15/13 JWC starts with a blistering Agenda with key No Shows
Jody McDaniel and No FIND update along with signature project Dist. 4 Don Redman and Scott Wilson Pottsberg Creek.
Kelley Boree - No show
Dave Roman - No show
Nobody from the media.
Tera Meeks did arrive later and appears to have an assistant.
Straight from the agenda.
I. Approval of JWC minutes.
II. 2013-265 Ord. Repealing Ord. 2011-239-E, re Heritage Rd& it's closure & abandonment; Auth. Grant of Easements with Riverfront Associates, LLC; Obligating owner to file a conservation Easement within 1 yr.
III. Presentation by the Offshore Jacksonville Fishing Club. Commissioner Scott Shine/Commissioner Love
IV. Presentation by Environmental Quality Division.
V. St. Johns River Status Report. Dr. Quinton White, JU
Water Quality & Manatee. Dr. Gerard Pinto, JU
VI. St. Johns River Issue Update. Lisa Rinaman, SJRK
VII. Old Business
New Business
VIII. Public Comments
So where do you want to start? This meeting was brutal.
II. 2013-265 Is anyone here representing the applicant? let's defer it.
2013-289 Oak Harbor Boat Ramp. Let's defer it. Ah heck let just get these out of here. 2013-265- failed and 2013-289 passed.
III. Presentation by the Jacksonville Offshore Fishing Club. They donated a $1000 to 2009-442 the Artificial Reef Trust Fund. Talking with them before the meeting a lot of this money was raised with the El Cheapo Sheaphead tournament. And this was one of a few $1000 dollar donations that they have awarded. Great Stuff. Scott Shine, Please share more info on this.
The River City Challenge 4/27/13 just happened and how much was raised for the North Florida Land Trust Last Year and this year? That should be on the Waterways agenda.
IV. Environmental Quality on the agenda were sitting in the audience but chairman Love just blew right over them. Don't know why. Vince Seibold.
V. Dr. Pinto reported after a Monday flight that there are 141 manatees in the area. That is so cool.
VI. Lisa reported that the Army Corps of Engineers on May 31st will be the release date of the dredge report. Then there will be a 60 day window of Public comment.
VII. Old Business and New Business is where you want to take the old city council chairs and lets remember there was No Public hearing, No bid, and voted on as an emergency and dump them south of the Fuller Warren and call it the INSIDER REEF.
So at the end of the meeting and the 4 Offshore people who just donated a $1000 bucks to 2009-442 have left the building. So up to the podium come the 4 people with the CCA and they say we will donate $5000 and there wasn't a check or photo op but they insisted and got the naming rights to two of the now 4 in the river reefs south of the Fuller Warren Bridge.
So let's recap that. Initially there were 5 reefs and we increased it to 6 and a secret meeting and now we are down to 4 and just say that you are going to do it and instead of being happy with one reef you are locking up two reefs. And the one reef will be called the CCA reef
Coastal Conservation Association Reef.
Scott Shine had a little bit of heartburn and said what about the Hooters Reef. I think it's wrong and it just screams back room stuff. I shared this with other concerns just hours later at the full Board meeting of the DIA. How about the CBRE Reef, Daily Record Reef, Everbank Reef, Wyndam Reef, Is this an emergency like the comfy chairs? NO!
It was passed with a Waterways Resolution that is weaker than a city council resolution that would make everyone aware of this slip it in fast one.
On a more positive note the Boat Ramp Master Plan also discussed during the old and new business part of the agenda resulted in Chairman Love leading the way in sponsoring legislation that is being drafted and will be introduced to council. This is the way it should happen. Super props to Shine, Boyer and fellow Waterway Commission members.
During Public Comment I reminded everyone about the Jim Love, Kevin Kuzel Berkman Floating dock compromise misrepresented by OGC during the 2013 FIND grant Application process.
I welcome any correction to the above interpretation of this meeting.
A new Authority
embrace It
Or
it will Embrace Us.
Team RICO now forming. Tides look great for an Urban Core tactical paddle to Promote, Access, Celebrate, Protect, our trophy asset and demonstrate a unique retail opportunity on our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a FEDERAL Initiative in our new highly restricted DIA zone.
Should FIND meetings be separate and have their own identity? YES!
Will be kayaking Downtown today. Special shout out to
Governor Scott- Please help.
Charlie C, Chopstick C- Please help.
Adam Hollingsworth- let's do this. It's a resume builder.
Past, Present, and Future Hooter girls- Seriously
Any news media outside of Duval county.
Ben Warner
Aundra Wallace
Dan Davis
Jeannie Miller
Jerry Mallot
Paul Astleford
Any Find Commissioners
Any Jacksonville Waterway Commissioners
Any Jacksonville city council members
Any candidates running in the state of Florida
Any Civic Council members
Any RICO interns
Tera Meeks
Kelley Boree
Dave Roman
DIA Board members
Any IBM'ers if you are still in the country.
Let's restore the Public Trust. Please.
I am Downtown and why you aren't.
Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting just 8 days out. Does anyone know when the next Super Duper secret FIND meeting is? Gary Anderson is the Chair of the subcommittee. Jody McDaniel is out. New guy is in. Was announced at the last Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting. We are so LOST. Total Backroom deals. Our property tax money.
Frank Denton is a hero.
Paul Astleford is a hero.
Planning a RICO paddle.
Who's next?
Quote from: toi on January 08, 2013, 01:40:16 PM
The Waterways Commission meeting is tomorrow (Wed, Jan 9) at 9:30am at Council Chambers. Here are my comments based on yesterday's meeting and the proposals discussed. If you have comments, please keep in mind that the decisionmakers probably won't see your responses in metrojacksonville.com before tomorrow morning. Jim Love, John Crescimbeni and Lori Boyer are the Council Members on the Commission.
To: Members of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission
From: Tom Ingram
cc: Tera Meeks, Jodi McDaniel, Kelly Boree
Date: January 8, 2013
Re: FIND Subcommittee Meeting on January 7, Recommendations
Members of the FIND Subcommittee of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission met yesterday to evaluate the Administration’s proposed list of projects for funding using the Florida Inland Navigation District’s matching grant program. According to staff, there is approximately $1.1 Million available at a 50/50 match for projects not involving land acquisition (so up to $2.2 Million total available for such programs assuming that the City funded the maximum amount). If you have already read the minutes that John Jackson prepared and are short on time, please see my comments beginning on page 2. For those of you who have not seen the minutes, here is how the subcommittee voted on the project list:
Location On Motion to Approve Project Summary (my summary not Admin.)
Exchange Island 4-0 Design and Permit small boat dock and shoreline area, hiking trail, pavilions with tables and grills
Sisters Creek ICW Dock Redesign 4-0 Design and Permit (incl. survey) for relocating pilings and docks on ICW side
Ortega River Channel Markers 4-0 Install (construct) channel markers on the Ortega River to limit permanent anchoring of boats in navigable channel
County Dock Road Park and Boat Ramp 3-1 Design and Permit removal of rip rap and old boat ramp; pour new launch area for hand-launch boats; remove old pilings; remove parking obstructions
Northbank Riverwalk Bridge (at Geffen Park) 0-4 Design and permit replacement of wooden pedestrian bridge on Northbank Riverwalk
Geffen Park Kayak Launch 2-2 Design and permit kayak launch area
Northshore Park Kayak Launch 3-1 Design and permit kayak launch area
Lighting at 4 Boat Ramps 4-0 Install lighting at 4 boat ramps
Reed Island 0-4 Design and permit boat dock at Reed Island, a peninsula that lacks legal access by land located across from Blount Island
Harborview Dredging 2-2 Design and permit dredging between boat ramp and Ribault River channel
Blue Cypress Boardwalk Extension 4-0 Design extension of Blue Cypress Boardwalk from existing terminus to Arlington Lions Club boat ramp
San Marco Lake Kayak Launch 0-4 Design and permit kayak access and parking plan on Lake Marco.
Dock at Charles Reese Memorial Park (Ribault River) 2-2 Design and permit public dock
Half Moon Island Land Acquisition 2-2 Acquire land having an existing boat ramp at (with a 25% FIND match) on Half Moon Island (note that the City currently owns over 200 acres of Half Moon Island)
Floating Dock at Shipyards 0-4 Install floating dock near pier at the Shipyards, suggested by John Nooney at the meeting
Boating Master Plan 4-0 Seek one-time grant from FIND to revise a boating master plan for Duval County
In addition to these, I suggested three projects: (1) modify the existing permits and agreement with Fidelity to allow for week-long use of the $400,000 floating dock beneath the Fuller Warren Bridge, currently usable only during the Riverside Arts Market; (2) Add a boat ramp or kayak launch (whichever is most expedient and feasible in near term) to the over 16 acres of property that the City purchased adjacent to the Nassau River on Half Moon Island for a park in 1999, and (3) Design and permit a pier and floating dock at Stockton Park in Ortega, along the lines of that which exists at County Dock Road in Mandarin but with a platform for launching kayaks, standup paddleboards and windsurfers. The consensus of the committee and staff, and I agree, is not to add these to the FIND grant process but to evaluate them further in the coming year.
Comments
Fund the Bridge Replacement on Northbank Riverwalk. The Northbank Riverwalk extension, between the Acosta and Fuller Warren Bridges, needs to remain a continuous walkway. Part of this walkway is bridge that was designed as a temporary structure to get this stretch of riverwalk opened before the Super Bowl. The Administration believes that this bridge needs to be replaced, and has proposed using matching FIND funds to help pay for it. If the Riverwalk can’t be walked from one end to the other, this affects far more constituents than any of the other projects being discussed. Please provide necessary funds to repair this bridge or reroute the riverwalk so that no bridge is necessary.
Fund the Geffen Kayak Launch Design. This is the best site for kayak launching that exists downtown. Kayaks launch in currents all the time, in places like the Duval County’s own Intracoastal Waterway and the creeks throughout the Timucuan Preserve in Duval and Nassau Counties. Less-experienced kayakers may find other access points more suitable, like County Dock Road or Stinson Park, but that is not reason to exclude all kayak access in this stretch of the river.
Design and Permitting Cost Estimates. In general, the subcommittee expressed concern that the estimated maximum design and permitting costs were excessively high. The staff explained that these are estimates and said that it planned to have additional information available at the full Waterways Commission meeting. I know that the Commission could spend the entire meeting tomorrow and then some discussing whether the currently estimated maximum design and permitting costs are too high. I think this is a serious issue, but I would hope that concerns over the Administration’s ability to accurately estimate design and permitting costs does not cause water access projects to be killed entirely. Assuming this is a concern, please let the projects move forward to begin the grant process, and work with the Administration to refine the estimated maximum costs of these projects.
Do Not Proceed with Boating Master Plan. The Assistant Executive Director of FIND explained at the last Waterways Commission meeting that if you do seek funding for a master plan, they would want subsequent funding applications to be consistent with it. With that caveat, the plan will need to be extremely broad to keep the Administration and Council’s options open, and will effectively render the plan meaningless. We will also use a lot of time and effort to discuss, debate and refine an abstract plan that does not actually result in increased public access to our waterways. The process will invite conflict between various user groups who may perceive this to be a zero-sum game. Going beyond much more than generalities requires a finer level of assessment about the potential sites and available funding -- information that varies on a year to year basis. Situations change too fast for a detailed master plan to be worthwhile for much more than two or three years. For example, standup paddleboarding barely existed five years ago, and recent bans on keeping bottom fish caught offshore together with high fuel prices are affecting where and how people fish. Let us focus our efforts on actually maintaining and improving water access and not generalized plans as to how we might go about it in the future.
Support the other recommendations of the Subcommittee.
Thank you for your consideration.
Almost to the day. One year later. Does anyone have a clue as to this years Super Duper Secret Find list? Our property tax money. Anyone?
Just received the noticed meeting for the Super Duper secret FIND meeting and it will be next Tues. 1/14/14 at 9:30 am Conf. Rm A 4th floor city hall.
So who has seen the list from any submissions from this years 2014 FIND grant application process? 14 Jacksonville city council districts and who asked for a project in their district? Our property tax money. Anyone?
What is the next million dollar trick pony and we are not talking about a retention pond?
Next day Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting and then DIA Board meeting later that day.
I would also add that participating at a Public meeting is another fantastic opportunity. The Public Trust has just been crushed in this community when it comes to doing the Publics business in the Sunshine. Have to give it to the new guys- Vitti, Astleford, Wallace and the ever constant changing of the guard.
But back to the $750,000 lollipop (taxpayer) money that will be handed out to the suckers that got in line first. There is all kinds of money (financing)
For example, I have been going to FIND (Florida Inland Navigation District) our ad valorem property tax money for 5 years and still don't have a project for the citizens of Jacksonville and I can tell you all about the 2013 FIND grant application process under the direction of then Chair of Waterways and Dist. 14 Jacksonville city council member Jim Love. Super props for his time on Waterways.
In 6 days is the Super Duper Secret 2014 FIND subcommittee meeting of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission for the 2014 FIND grant application process and it's not even close to the 2013 process. Sure it's a noticed meeting now but wait until you realize the million dollar trick pony that this will be. Visit Jacksonville! Backroom deals!
At a recent DIA meeting Board member Mike Saylor pointed out to everyone that in our new highly restricted DIA zone we now control over 3 miles of Riverfront. WOW! Where are the opportunities for Public Access and Economic Opportunity? the $750,000 is one potential pot of money. FIND is another.
I plan on attending the Super Duper Secret FIND meeting for the 2014 grant application process for a project that could happen Downtown. it's at 9:30 am 4th floor city hall Conf. Room A
I plan on attending the next DIA Board meeting and share an expanded suggestion that was shared at the end of the last almost 4 hour meeting that had fantastic responses, dialogue, and additional suggestions from DIA Board members.
A new Authority
Embrace It
Or
It will Embrace Us
RAM dock only opened when RAM is open. Not good.
Shipyards III
Southbank Riverwalk project- Spoke with Scott Wilson and he was going to ask Don Redman if it can go before Waterways. They have no clue as to if there is a Public Access and Economic opportunity component to the new floating dock. Not good.
Add your own.
CRA/DIA in the USA being drafted right now.
Vision 2025
Jacksonville Civic Council
Ben- JCCI, we need to kayak Downtown before 2025
DIA?
Downtown
Is
ALL
WOW!!!! Just received another Sunshine notice on a Jacksonville Waterway Commission issue. First one that posts what it is I'll treat you to Chopstick Charley's and we'll use Uber.
Took someone there last week and they were very impressed.
Total Backroom deals. Our property tax money. Just pull the tape. 2014-22. 4 days out from the biggest Super Duper Secret FIND meeting. Will any media show up? The crushing of the Public Trust.
Super Duper FIND subcommittee meeting of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission one day out and then the legislative introduction of a resolution 2014-22 hours later at the full meeting of the Jacksonville city council and then the next day a full meeting of the Jacksonville Waterways Commission and then hours later the full meeting of the DIA (Downtown Investment Authority)
Please anyone tell me where the POSITIVE Waterfront Public Access points are in this new 3 mile Riverfront zone that was highlighted by DIA Board member Mike Saylor at the 12/18/13 full meeting of the DIA board?
Why doesn't Abel Harding run for office in 2015? Put your plan into action on a bigger stage!
After all the brouhaha over Abel's "DWI", the charges were subsequently dropped and appeared to be the result of an over zealous small town cop. Not sure if Abel is interested in entering the political arena but he would make a great Councilman or Mayor should he decide to run.
QuoteHe still thinks people were mad because of his dwi thing coming back from gainesville. Which I think is silly.
People make mistakes, look at all the people who elected Brown! I forgive them! ::)
With such a void of good character people, the vacancies almost BEG him to throw his hat into the ring. Just saying.
Quote from: mtraininjax on January 13, 2014, 11:17:48 AM
QuoteHe still thinks people were mad because of his dwi thing coming back from gainesville. Which I think is silly.
People make mistakes, look at all the people who elected Brown! I forgive them! ::)
With such a void of good character people, the vacancies almost BEG him to throw his hat into the ring. Just saying.
Agreed!
Quote from: stephendare on February 14, 2013, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: Noone on February 14, 2013, 07:20:42 AM
The 2/13/13 Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting was over 5 hours long. There were some high points and some low points. Tom Ingram was there for the meeting and I hope he shares his analysis.
Not one person from the media was in attendance.
Dave Roman was a no show.
Kelly Boree was a no show.
I'll start by saying that the Public Trust in this community has been totally crushed and destroyed and lets get ready to VISIT corruption when showing our city from the water DOWNTOWN and we'll start with SHIPYARDS III. The Office of General Council in my opinion gets credit for the total misrepresentation for this future tour. Play the tape and you will be able to hear it for yourself.
Like I said there were definitely highs and lows for this marathon meeting. I must give props to commission members Love, Boyer, Crescimbeni, Hodges, Shine for meaningful engagement. These were the stars in my opinion. There may have been one eclipse. But I have a feeling that they will get it with the next rotation.
I'm writing this after reading Lakes comments from the Live Blogging of the DIA thread and his comments about the Southbank Riverwalk and the closing of the Southbank Riverwalk and the fishing that is currently allowed in that part of our vibrant Downtown. Well, BINGO! That is also what's happening on the Northbank. The previous day I attended the Hemming Plaza committee meeting of the DIA. The bottom line is that this new Authority will have complete and total control over a 20 square mile area. And a river happens to run through the middle of it. So the legislative actions that are happening right now should be the biggest wake up call for the people of Jacksonville. I'm All In.
So who wants to kayak and fish Downtown under the brand new No Fishing signs that was never before Waterways and we'll put in at a kayak launch that still needs a Mayor Brown kayak logo.
Ben Warner- JCCI we need to kayak Downtown before 2025
I am Downtown and why you aren't.
Nooney, you were there. And your audience is quite respectable in terms of readership.
Thanks Stephen.
Abel and I did share a great Downtown Adventure on Hogans and McCoys Creek. Does anyone plan on attending the Special meeting of FIND? 9:30 am on 1/14/14 Conf. Rm A city hall. Then hours later 2014-22 will be introduced at the full meeting of the Jacksonville city council. Heard back from councilman Gulliford but nothing from councilman Redman who is the Chair of Waterways. Did anyone attend one of the specific noticed meetings? How many we're there?