Martin Kennelly, historic code enforcement, someone (not Martin Kennelly, not historic code enforcement, many apologies) has cited a Preservation SOS project for graffiti.
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Well, this ought to really help get homeowners on board...
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Have the owner show up at the hearing and state it is artwork that doesn't violate the cited ordinance, that the owner had installed. Graffiti has a definition within the statute, and this isn't it. As usual, nothing has changed at COJ Code Enforcement.
I thought they were on board with this?
Quote from: uptowngirl on November 18, 2010, 02:23:32 PM
I thought they were on board with this?
Well my question is I wonder who called in the complaints?
Hmmm....
(As though there's really any mystery)
Bill Killingsworth was glad to see what we were doing to this house when he visited it. He said he had "no problem" with the art.
Maybe Martin Kennelly (someone else) didn't get the memo.
Quote from: sheclown on November 18, 2010, 02:29:11 PM
Bill Killingsworth was glad to see what we were doing to this house when he visited it. He said he had "no problem" with the art.
Maybe Martin Kennelly didn't get the memo.
But who would want to call in code complaints on such a positive effort as this?
I really wonder what kind of people would do that?
Terrible that some people would be SPARring at their own neighbors like this...
Well, we don't know who filed the complaint. Although I'm sure we'll find out.
Bottom line ... does it really matter at the end of the day what is painted on the plywood if the freakin' house is saved?
Seems to me a simple forest-for-the-trees situation.
it's ridiculous, and i really wish i could say that i'm shocked or at least surprised.
from Brenda @ the SPAR office:
QuoteJust wanted to reiterate a previous conversation when I assured you no code enforcement complaints would come from me or the spar office regarding Preservation SOS projects. I did mention that there had been numerous complaints that had come to the office about the window painting, but they were not submitted to any city dept or worker and I had no foreknowledge of code's action to cite property.
I have acted in good faith with SOS and would appreciate your support when or if there is a challenge that "spar" could be responsible for some action. If there's a question, contact me directly so you'll get a direct answer or commitment I'll look into it and get back to you.
Regarding the citation, I'm sure there'll be a way to work this out and we'll help in any way we can.
Jacksonville is one of the most jacked up cities I have ever lived in......
I love Jacksonville, I really do. But sometimes I just wonder...
There is lots of damage to undo in Springfield. I personally believe people were lured into the neighborhood and told unsightly properties would be demolished, so "don't worry" and Main Street would have a Starbucks and Banana Republic (okay exaggerating, but you get my point.) I have no facts to back this statement just so I am clear, just what I believe.
We have a lot of damage control to do, that I am certain about. There are folks in Springfield, that live here, who bought and restored/rehabbed historic homes that want to see homes around them that are NOT fixed DEMOLISHED. Folks who don't care about the history just what their block looks like.
My house is on Ionia Street. I am well aware of the "talk on the streets," particulary Ionia.
WE have to educate folks.
As for the citation? I just roll my eyes. For the last 2 months I have sent weekly emails to the head honchos in the city, including Martin Kennelley. 1626 Ionia Street was the topic of one of the emails, and I even sent a photo!!!!! HPC is well aware of our efforts. The art on this property is NOT graffiti. Gheesh. Been to LA lately? Looked at the sides of the trains the next block over on Clark? THAT'S graffiti.
I do know having talked to Martin Kennelley, that if he receives a complaint, he follows up on it, but to actually cite for graffiti? I chuckle, because this is IONIA STREET. Everything is game over here, that's why I Love Ionia!!
We will continue to do what we do: save the houses. Even if that means adding art.
We need to quit being absurd.
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=10033.0
Stop asking for so much. Gheesh. ;)
interest....nuts
Two things:
I posted a picture and TURNED in graffti on Ionia up by first st, it is CRIPS tagging. Still there for the world to see, no tag. All I can say is WTF???? I guess gang graffti is acceptable?
Also when I moved here in 2005 I certainly was told the dilapidated and abandoned homes would be torn down, I was also told a Starbucks was going in right down the street from me on 8th and Pearl (it is even in my RE contract believe it or not!)
being from NOLA I pitched a fit about old homes being torn down, and then the story changed. Whatever to sell a home I guess.
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those pictures are the saddest things i've seen in a while.
Painting over it. This is hilarious to me for all the wrong reasons.
Amazing how this gets cited as graffiti but those giant ugly stickers all over Downtown get a pass.
Jacksonville. Are you misguided or just insane?
goddamn it, stephen, i hate it when you're right.
I'm inclined to agree that it's just a means in which to try and minimize the efforts and determination of a group of residents hellbent on saving these houses. It's sad when people want to try and do that...but this group is stronger than they realize, and determination for a good cause is a powerful tool
The purpose of the hearts was to draw attention to the house. That it certainly did. People are showing interest in it and with any luck a new owner may take it on.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether the boards are white or black, or have hearts on them. All that matters is that the houses are saved.
we agree on that, but sorry....that was rather petty of code enforcement to cite the owner with graffiti and threaten to fine them. The city should be pleased that someone's out there doing their job, by boarding and securing properties instead of trying to thwart their efforts.
Quote from: sheclown on November 18, 2010, 05:39:25 PM
I love Jacksonville, I really do. But sometimes I just wonder...
Ah shucks, if JACKSONVILLE were PERFECT we'd all be picking the teeth out of the rules in Atlanta...
As for the hearts and the SOS project, since Bill is on board with historic preservation, I'm wondering if the SOS AND HEARTS could be registered with the city as a permanent sort of trademark. Get the logos before the Council and get a ruling on this (and several other designs), once it's law even the dumbest enforcement officer would have to surrender to the will of the neighborhood.
Hell it's not just Jacksonville, I'm still trying to teach FDOT how to spell O-C-K-L-A-W-A-H-A, just drive over the bridges on Hwy 19 or Eureka and see for yourselves.OCKLAWAHA
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Don't sweat it, the green signs are misspelled too.
The whole damn state is crazy!
OCKLAWAHA
Well, see, that's what the city gets for using a native name instead of naming itself after someone who never once set foot in it, but was easier to spell, like Jacksonville did. LOL
I for one love my new red heart someone left on my porch for me- it is now hanging proudly for all to see on the front porch! I want to make a real big one, so you can see it from a two locks away.... maybe even paint one on my crazy long fence that runs down Ionia?!
You are so naughty uptowngirl! You know that a big heart will ALWAYS get you in trouble :)
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OCKLAWAHA
It's TOTAL anarchy I TELL ya!
Quote from: sheclown on November 27, 2010, 10:29:57 AM
You are so naughty uptowngirl! You know that a big heart will ALWAYS get you in trouble :)
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well since I was cited for the 12 inch strip of property behind my fence (which bTW I never even knew was mine!) while they were citing the property next to it (which I thought all belonged to Petra) I figure what is one more ticket? I think perhaps I complained to much (calling them out at the city council meeting) that now I am being scrutinized. Oh well I will just moe the fence back and reclaim that extra 12 inches and paint a big red heart right on the newly moved fence :-)
^Ridiculous, a 12" citation.
Ock: Great heart fence. I see a future in this for Springfield!
On a positive note, I was told Wednesday that there was a buyer or 1626 Ionia, this property we boarded, where we (the owner,) was cited for graffiti, and then we subsequently painted over to "comply." I spoke to him personally while he was there with the owner. Let's cross our fingers folks.
Preservation SOSs efforts have always been about awareness and saving the houses. There is indeed hope for this block of Ionia.