Q'uran Burning By Gainesville Nutcase.

[wsansewjs]

^^^^ Marvelous! Bravo! Bravo! +1001 ^^^^

[Ocklawaha]

+ ME TOO!

OCKLAWAHA

[Garden guy]

It's a battle of the books..."my book is right and your book is wrong".....nither is right....both are wrong....everyone's killing over some pontificant know it all years and years ago...stories and lies and truths.

[buckethead]

When talking about books in general, some may in fact be "right" while others might be "wrong".

Truth as it relates to facts and evidence is verifiable.

Now regarding religion (and it's various books) as a means of political dominance and expansion, I agree with your assessment of "books".

[KenFSU]

I absolutely hate the fact that I have to be the guy to do this, but since there are so many who feel the need to misplace responsibility, I'll do my duty.

The Good Reverend Clusterfuck is responsible for burning a book.

The Murderous mobs who decided to kill people in protest of a book burning are responsible for murder.

It's really no more complex than that.

Assigning responsibility to the wrong person is marching down the road to tyranny. (Goose stepping, no less)

Carry on...

I agree to a point, but I don't think it's quite that black and white. Of course the blame rests on those who committed these terrible acts, but that doesn't mean that the (quite aptly named) Rev. CF doesn't have the blood of those murdered on his hands. Actions have consequences. Though you may consider the Q'uran as just a "book," that doesn't dismiss the fact that, to the 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world (the vast majority of which are not extremists), it is the holiest of texts. To burn it like he did is a direct slap in the face to a quarter of the world's population. He should have known there would be some heavy trickle down for his actions. Did he murder these people himselves? Of course not. Were these murders wrong on every level imaginable? Of course they were, and those who carried them out deserve to be hunted down. BUT, would these people still be alive if not for this idiot's ignorant, racist actions. Yes, you'd have to think they would be. Thus, yes, I personally feel justified in assigning him some of the blame. It's not binary. The world is complex. This guy gets no free pass from me.

[Garden guy]

When talking about books in general, some may in fact be "right" while others might be "wrong".

Truth as it relates to facts and evidence is verifiable.

Now regarding religion (and it's various books) as a means of political dominance and expansion, I agree with your assessment of "books".

These religious books have fucked our whole world up...one day we'll realize that our sucess and growth as a species is within us and not within some god....we are the gods....we are the most evolved species capable of wonderous things and what do we do..we bitch and complain and kill over words.

[buckethead]

Well... If you say so...

[Ocklawaha]

Pay no attention to that man behind the pulpit! He's not a bad man, just a very bad Christian! If there wasn't a single reporter chasing him, if no one looked on, if he got no attention at all...would he still burn the book?

This guy is to mainstream Christianity, what a redneck would be to hunters if given access to the U.S. nuclear arsenal. "Wel shazzam Jethro, thir woodn't bee a possom saif anywhar N thee weste syde.

OCKLAWAHA

[JeffreyS]

I absolutely hate the fact that I have to be the guy to do this, but since there are so many who feel the need to misplace responsibility, I'll do my duty.

The Good Reverend Clusterfuck is responsible for burning a book.

The Murderous mobs who decided to kill people in protest of a book burning are responsible for murder.

It's really no more complex than that.

Assigning responsibility to the wrong person is marching down the road to tyranny. (Goose stepping, no less)

Carry on...

I would guess "The Good Reverend Clusterfuck" wanted the biggest reaction he could get including murderous attacks.  This was what he figured was the best way he thought he could get people to act the way he wanted he incited. Talking is acting and we should be held responsible for our actions.

[buckethead]

As Ock correctly points out; using that standard, we are all guilty because we read the stories printed by news outlets who are also guilty. The advertisers are guilty as well.

Would dood have even done the thang if he wasn't getting attention? Even if he had, so what? No one would have ever known.

Of course he acted without regard for what other lunatics might do in reaction.

He is backward.

The murderers are simply more backward.

Q: If the State brought up charges of accessory to murder (ignoring jurisdictional issues) would they stand?

Should they?

[BridgeTroll]

http://www.detnews.com/article/20110422/LIFESTYLE04/104220401/Pastor-jailed-for-refusing-$1-Ã,‘peace-bondÃ,’

Pastor released from jail after being held on $1 'peace bond'
Oralandar Brand-Williams and Tom Greenwood / The Detroit News
Dearborn â€"A controversial Florida pastor and his associate were released from jail tonight after being held briefly for refusing to pay a $1 "peace bond" after a jury ruled they would "likely breach the peace" with plans to protest a mosque.

Judge Mark Somers of Dearborn's 19th District Court jailed pastors Terry Jones and Wayne Sapp about 7 p.m. The order came after a six-member jury at 6:30 p.m. sided with prosecutors who argued the Quran-burning minister's demonstration outside the Islamic Center of America could spark a riot.



From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110422/LIFESTYLE04/104220401/Pastor-released-from-jail-after-being-held-on-$1-‘peace-bond’#ixzz1KMWCJedH

[NotNow]

Wow!  They jailed him for what they thought he MIGHT do?   Now Detroit just adds to this CF.

[wsansewjs]

http://www.detnews.com/article/20110422/LIFESTYLE04/104220401/Pastor-jailed-for-refusing-$1-Ã,‘peace-bondÃ,’

Pastor released from jail after being held on $1 'peace bond'
Oralandar Brand-Williams and Tom Greenwood / The Detroit News
Dearborn â€"A controversial Florida pastor and his associate were released from jail tonight after being held briefly for refusing to pay a $1 "peace bond" after a jury ruled they would "likely breach the peace" with plans to protest a mosque.

Judge Mark Somers of Dearborn's 19th District Court jailed pastors Terry Jones and Wayne Sapp about 7 p.m. The order came after a six-member jury at 6:30 p.m. sided with prosecutors who argued the Quran-burning minister's demonstration outside the Islamic Center of America could spark a riot.



From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110422/LIFESTYLE04/104220401/Pastor-released-from-jail-after-being-held-on-$1-‘peace-bond’#ixzz1KMWCJedH

For one dollar, I can buy and make my own navy beans to eat then fart obnoxiously in the jail.

-Josh

[Ocklawaha]

"MANKIND HAS GROWN STRONG IN ETERNAL STRUGGLE AND WILL ONLY PERISH THROUGH ETERNAL PEACE"

Under the homeland security, there is NO SECURITY...FOR ANYONE. On star, GPS and all the toys could be turned against us with the click of a mouse. Any car that a cop can This nut is probably preaching the classic rapture/no-place-to-hide theory of most evangelical Christians and he is too stupid to realize he is a self fulfilling prophecy. A few dozen of his kind, the Tim Mc Veigh's, Arian Nation, Klan and such might be enough to bring on a Lincoln style suspension of Habeas Corpus and an even more violent military occupation.

Don't believe the old Hippie? Hey when most of you were just born, I could run wild with a camera anywhere I wanted at the Port, the Airport, and for me, more importantly the railroad yard.... Try that today and see what happens. The boys over at Talleyrand Terminal Railroad got in hot water photographing a "new" locomotive on Talleyrand Avenue. Seems the camera was pointed east and the view across the street is Port property. BOOM! Armed strong-man security issues a cease and desist. Amtrak? Hell, you can get busted just for taking a photo of crazy aunt Clair and YOU WILL BE TAKEN DOWNTOWN AND QUESTIONED! The airport once had open concourses and you could run from one end to the other unhindered, the middle concourse had a door with "sightseeing deck" stenciled on it. Through that door and up a flight of open air steps took you to the rooftop perch where anything was visible...not any more.

Hey but then I stood (under some cover) and watched as M-19 Guerrilla's shelled Bogota from a mountain top back in the 85'. So I've experienced what a lack of self control and due diligence will buy us, be afraid people, be VERY AFRAID!

Here are some pictures from "home"...  This is where exactly this type of lack of self discipline once imperiled an entire country, its cities, its railroads, and one gringo railroader.


As much as I love and respect these guys, wouldn't you rather have them at NAS or Mayport then up your neighborhood street?


Somebody's dead or soon will be... remember Sargent Shultz? "I see NOTHING, I know NOTHING! I am going to go away!"


That WAS a steel door with a dead bolt, I actually watched a real raid on a relatives house when we got a bogus call that she was in trouble. My God the boys are efficient, 3 explosions and they were inside with almost no damage.



This generally means UH OH, we are in a world of shit.



Yeah its an ancient form of German torture called the GOOSE STEP.



Damn, all this way down and she forgot her piece.



One of a dozen or so large surface ships in the Armada Republica Colombia (ARC)



Marines? Oh yeah, and those little one man submersibles by the carload.



Fight for your homes, for your hearths, for your... uh... homes, for your hearths... No really fella's for you hearts and homes, no, I mean for your hearths and your, uh, your, oh damn!



One of nearly 100 KFIR Israeli built fighter bombers built up on a Super Mirage airframe.



http://www.youtube.com/v/ycjCnUHg_jc&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3

When things get crazy, you might be surprised how fast we will turn into an armed camp. I saw my other country go from a land nearly as old as the USA, 200 years in 2010, always democratic, NEVER having a true popular revolution, with a tiny much disdained military, become the mightiest dog on the block overnight. Today the signs say, YES WE HAVE HEROES...(INSERT PHOTO COLOMBIAN MILITARY OR POLICE)

If the people don't police themselves, someone will gladly do it for them, and they'll go like lambs.

Because the masses are stupid, and likely to buy into a political lie that we're making things safer, better, etc..."AN INTELLIGENT VICTOR WILL, WHENEVER POSSIBLE, PRESENT HIS DEMANDS TO THE VANQUISHED IN INSTALLMENTS"

OCKLAWAHA

[Lunican]

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/obscure-film-mocking-muslim-prophet-sparks-anti-u-s-protests-in-egypt-and-libya/