Comments on the Shooting of Kiko Battles.

[Springfielder]

I actually have the training, and know exactly what it is like and what the laws are that govern the duties of police officers. You, however, speak from an untrained in the field, citizen that makes assumptions without fact.

Oh you're a cop. Well that certainly explains your position on this topic. It also explains your horrible attitude...

And you really shouldn't talk down to Stephen as an "untrained citizen"...in reality that means he's your employer.

Shouldn't talk down? I wasn't, I merely stated a fact, since he is not a LEO and never had the training to become one. Oh and he's not my employer, and I'm not a member of the JSO. However, he is an untrained citizen when it comes to law enforcement. It's clear that you're not in law enforcement, which then explains your attitude as well.

As to whether my attitude being horrible...your opinion and you're entitled to it. If by my supporting the rights of law enforcement officers to use deadly force when someone points a gun at them, then yes, you're right. It by my supporting the findings of the SAO that the use of deadly force was justified and that the officer acted appropriately, then again...you're right.

[Springfielder]

The State Attorneys office investigates whenever police use deadly force. The review board is strictly intended to review whether an officer followed procedure and policies set in place. Two very different roles.

[Springfielder]

Oh.. your a cop. Well what the hell ever. How dare you weigh in on someone else's death, just to express your self serving political attitude. What a terrible person.

Im not going to stoop to your level on this issue, out of respect for this dead boys family, and you are apparently too self important to stop trying to justify your beliefs in a memorial thread about a kid who was probably too good for you to tie his shoes.

The contrast is between the silent memorial for this young kid and your mealy mouthed defense of citizen killing cops under any circumstance.

And that says it all.

Thanks Stephen, you have such a flare for slinging insults upon those you don't agree with, how classic. Just because I have law enforcement experience, I'm not allowed to have my own views and opinions? So only your opinion and those of the same mindset are acceptable? I thought this was a forum, where it's open discussion.

You clearly have your views and I have mine; which are worlds apart. That's fine, we're all entitled to have our own, and unlike you, I respect that, even when I don't agree.

As for whether this kid, who happened to have been an adult, and also happened to have been a convicted felon carrying a stolen gun, and pointed it an a police officer, is the 'kid' that may have been too good for me to tie his shoes? Okee dokee then.

[sheclown]

Certainly, the issue of "community policing" ought to be examined in regards to "quality of life enforcements."

The policy is inherently & intentionally discriminatory.  It divides groups of people and removes protections because of a person's appearance. 

[Burn to Shine]

In my unbiased opinion, it looks to me like you stephendare called Springfielder a "terrible person" and "mealy mouthed" no? 

[Springfielder]

What a terrible person.

your mealy mouthed

you are apparently too self important to stop trying to justify your beliefs in a memorial thread about a kid who was probably too good for you to tie his shoes.

Of course, those are compliments, right? At no time did I make an attempt to insult you, or your opinion.

[Springfielder]

Incidentally I have not spoken ill of you in any of these posts.  In fact, I have wished happiness, love and the privilege of leaving behind people who love you.  These are not belittling posts.

I am defending the rights of his family and his community to commit the simple act of mourning the boy without you having to call him names and crow about how justified his killing was.

Your comment about wishing me well, please

Well, Springfielder, I can only say that I hope someone misses you and your opinions as much as this community misses this poor dead boy.

This is what you say is wishing me well?

[buckethead]

And as the person who wrote the remarks, I can tell you that no, I didnt.
I asked what kind of person would deface the memory of the dead, and described the defense of killing under any circumstance as long as procedure was followed as mealy mouthed.

What do you have to say about calling a boy who was shot nine times in the back as a felon, or dishonestly claiming that he was aiming a gun at the cop?

Can you provide evidence/documentation that the deceased never pointed the gun at the officer?

Were there ever witnesses making this claim?

Do you think the police murdered the young man?

[Springfielder]

And as the person who wrote the remarks, I can tell you that no, I didnt.
I asked what kind of person would deface the memory of the dead, and described the defense of killing under any circumstance as long as procedure was followed as mealy mouthed.

What do you have to say about calling a boy who was shot nine times in the back as a felon, or dishonestly claiming that he was aiming a gun at the cop?

Guess the SAO lied too, since they're the ones who investigated the incident. As well as other witness accounts, and of course, there's the police, who also lied. Gee, all of us who lied?

As for my defacing the dead by referring to him as a convicted felon, well...that's the truth.

[Springfielder]

and while attempting to run away, he dropped the gun and stopped to pick it up....

[buckethead]

Which is not to say he aimed it at the police.

[Springfielder]

Sorry, I didn't add in that witnesses said he did, as did the officer, which is why he used deadly force.

[buckethead]

I agree that other options might have existed. I don't agree that SF ever suggested the kid "deserved" to die. He did suggest that in pointing the gun at police officers, he endangered his own life, as well as the life of others.

We seem to have conflicting reports as to whether the young man pointed the gun at the officers.

Another case of he said/she said.

[Springfielder]

and all I said was "I'm sorry, but he contributed to his own demise." You're right, I never said nor implied that he deserved to die.

I understand that the original intent of this thread was to possibly help memorialize the death of this man, but once posted on a forum, it's open to comments, views and opinions of others. People have different views on the issue and that particular situation, which the purpose of posting on a forum is to invite others to respond, otherwise it would have been a statement made and the thread locked. It wasn't the case, so others responded. It is through open discussion on forums, that views, thoughts and opinions are expressed.

[Burn to Shine]

I'm not quite sure why the police feel they need to shoot to kill - anyone at any time.  Shoot the arm holding the gun.  Shoot the running leg.  Why shoot to kill?  

On the other hand, why would a person resist the police with nothing to hide?  Why run?