SkyWay should extend to the sports district

Started by seanhimself, June 11, 2010, 09:14:21 AM

seanhimself

Has this been thought of or brought up before? I work in the stadium, and I think it would be so beneficial for employees here to take the SkyWay into the downtown area (such as for lunch). Think about how much this would also help on game days to move people in and out and allow them to park away from the stadium.


duvaldude08

Unfortunately this will not happen due to JTA's lack of common sense  ;)
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Captain Zissou

True.  I'd never thought about that aspect before.  Most people advocate the sports district extension for getting people to the stadium on game day.  There is a whole district that would benefit from easier access to the core.  We already have the Hart Bridge viaduct obstructing the river view, so why not just run parallel tracks down bay??  That would make the Commodore Point and St James developments much more feasible.  It would also go well with the recent vision plan for the commodore point redevelopment.

fieldafm

#4
True
However, the Bay Street PCT trolley busses currently serve the sports district during the week.

Besides, why leave when you have City Hall Pub and Russ Does Sandwich shop right there :)

duvaldude08

Until we get our logistics (and hotel space  :D) together, the superbowl will never return. Extending the skyway to the sport complex is a simple fix. The original plans called for it to extend all the way to the gator bowl, and it never happen.(big mistake)
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Joe

#6
The Skyway is a failure because it doesn't go anywhere worth going.
No one in power wants to extend the Skyway to anywhere worth going because it is a failure.

Does that about cover it?

It's extremely unlikely that the Skyway will be extended to the stadium. What might happen is that the proposed streetcar system will have a successful phase 1 from Riverside to Downtown. Then they'll extend it to the stadium and arena for phase 2. But that's years away, if not decades.

Here is a snapshot of the relevant plan. Streetcars are definitely the favored transit option going forward - which I think is reasonable. Also, the map shows an extension of the Skyway by two stations down Riverside blvd. This extension is far from certain, but if the Skyway is ever extended, it will be here first.

JeffreyS

I want to expand the skyway but it should come after some streetcar, commuter rail and if we are going to have some BRT.  It needs to be involve in a comprehensive transit plan.  Streetcar in our core neighborhoods and commuter to the sprawl.  Those will drive development in the core more than anything else which is goal number one.
Lenny Smash

duvaldude08

Quote from: Joe on June 11, 2010, 10:58:05 AM
The Skyway is a failure because it doesn't go anywhere worth going.
No one in power wants to extend the Skyway to anywhere worth going because it is a failure.

Does that about cover it?

It's extremely unlikely that the Skyway will be extended to the stadium. What might happen is that the proposed streetcar system will have a successful phase 1 from Riverside to Downtown. Then they'll extend it to the stadium and arena for phase 2. But that's years away, if not decades.

Here is a snapshot of the relevant plan. Streetcars are definitely the favored transit option going forward - which I think is reasonable. Also, the map shows an extension of the Skyway by two stations down Riverside blvd. This extension is far from certain, but if the Skyway is ever extended, it will be here first.


When the skyway was first planned (70's), the route for the skyway was in line with some retail and departments store that were still downtown. By the time it came to fruitation, (80's), DT was dead as a door knob and everyone had abadoned camp. That's why it seems to go no where
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JeffreyS

San Marco is the first area I would expand the skyway they are building two TODs one that would include a future commuter rail stop and one that will be a mixed use center including a Publix.  Jumping the train will be problematic for streetcar and easy for the skyway.
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Captain Zissou

I think San Marco and Brooklyn would have the fastest and greatest return on investment.  Down riverside Ave to Forest street may help Brooklyn Park and 200 Riverside to get off the ground.  The two TOD's in san marco would also benefit from a sales perspective from the skyway extension.

Coolyfett

The cars are outdated and should be replaced. The manufacter has sexier models on their website. They are sleek & smooth. Jax has the box chevy version on the monorail. I think the newer cars can ride on the track Jax uses.

Extending to the Sports Complex should have been done in 96! They are 14 years behind on that,....
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Coolyfett

Quote from: JeffreyS on June 11, 2010, 01:59:29 PM
San Marco is the first area I would expand the skyway they are building two TODs one that would include a future commuter rail stop and one that will be a mixed use center including a Publix.  Jumping the train will be problematic for streetcar and easy for the skyway.

Dont forget about the San Marco floods....id like to see street car get through that lol. Keep the train in the sky. Its Florida People!
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Captain Zissou

Quote from: Coolyfett on June 11, 2010, 02:55:35 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on June 11, 2010, 01:59:29 PM
San Marco is the first area I would expand the skyway they are building two TODs one that would include a future commuter rail stop and one that will be a mixed use center including a Publix.  Jumping the train will be problematic for streetcar and easy for the skyway.

Dont forget about the San Marco floods....id like to see street car get through that lol. Keep the train in the sky. Its Florida People!

You could never have a skyway west of Kings Ave.  The historic preservationists would be up in arms.  The only way skyway would work in San Marco is if it was integrated with a streetcar.  You'd need a Commuter Rail/Skyway/ Streetcar hub at Atlantic & skyway to streetcar transfers at Kings Ave and Prudential.  Streetcar would run down hendricks and San Marco blvd, cross at Naldo and Landon and run through the square, and have a spur running south down hendricks towards miramar.

Coolyfett

Quote from: Captain Zissou on June 11, 2010, 03:01:44 PM
Quote from: Coolyfett on June 11, 2010, 02:55:35 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on June 11, 2010, 01:59:29 PM
San Marco is the first area I would expand the skyway they are building two TODs one that would include a future commuter rail stop and one that will be a mixed use center including a Publix.  Jumping the train will be problematic for streetcar and easy for the skyway.

Dont forget about the San Marco floods....id like to see street car get through that lol. Keep the train in the sky. Its Florida People!

You could never have a skyway west of Kings Ave.  The historic preservationists would be up in arms.  The only way skyway would work in San Marco is if it was integrated with a streetcar.  You'd need a Commuter Rail/Skyway/ Streetcar hub at Atlantic & skyway to streetcar transfers at Kings Ave and Prudential.  Streetcar would run down hendricks and San Marco blvd, cross at Naldo and Landon and run through the square, and have a spur running south down hendricks towards miramar.


I agree take it to the edges, use Beaver Street to get it to the Westside
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