16 yr old gets life for murder of pizza delivery driver.

Started by Tom Joad, May 30, 2010, 10:49:21 AM

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reednavy

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May 30, 2010, 10:52:57 AM
good
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buckethead

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May 30, 2010, 10:56:26 AM
" Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be murderers..."

Tom Joad

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May 30, 2010, 10:57:30 AM
If i had been on the receiving end of that bullet i could only hope this young man receive 20 yrs. at best,at worst if the judge MUST make an example of him(which has been proven to do no earthly good) death would be a much more compassionate sentence. Life for a 16 yr old is as cruel and unusual as punishment get's.

reednavy

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May 30, 2010, 10:58:47 AM
Cruel and unusual?
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Springfielder

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May 30, 2010, 11:01:07 AM
Cruel and Unusual punishment, who the hell cares. This little thug had committed armed robbery the night before and then wanted to do it again, and ended up killing someone. He can sit and rot in prison and think about the life he stole.

buckethead

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May 30, 2010, 11:06:19 AM
I would argue that the victim and her family were subjected to cruel and unusual punishment.

I agree, Tom, that if I were murdered by a sixteen year old attacker, that I might wish for leniency (depending on the demeanor of the kid, i suppose).

If the sixteen year old perpetrator had murdered my daughter, however, I might be less inclined towards forgiveness.

Kids today are exposed to a level of violence that we never imagined when I was that age. A good old fashioned ass kicking was as far as a violent altercation ever went. It is a great tragedy for the kid and his mom, but a self inflicted tragedy.

reednavy

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May 30, 2010, 11:06:23 AM
Quote from: Tom Joad on May 30, 2010, 11:00:19 AM
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How, please explain how putting his ass away for life is cruel and unusual after he killed a woman over a few bucks and some pizza. I would love to hear your reasoning as to why it is cruel/unusual because little shits like him these days don't care anymore and need to be taught harsh lessons.

Of course, he is given a life sentence, but doesn't say w/o parole, so he'll probably serve 15-25 years and then get out. He deserves to sit and rot in jail over a senseless crime. Record or not prior to this, he killed someone and deserves the book to hit him in the face.
Jacksonville: We're not vertically challenged, just horizontally gifted!

buckethead

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May 30, 2010, 11:20:09 AM
Quote from: stephendare on May 30, 2010, 11:10:45 AM
Come on now.  This is off topic, but times were certainly not less violent when we were kids, Buckethead.  There was all that vietnam business, daily reports about the Son of Sam Murders, the Manson Trials, lingering racial violence from the desegregation issue, and a social climate where child abuse was still called strict parental discipline.

There is no more reason to excuse murder or break the laws today than there were then based on social violence.

I personally think there is less.
There might actually be less inter-cultural violence, Stephen. The type of violence committed by our youth, however, has certainly escalated. Not very often was it heard that a teenager had murdered anyone. That was big news indeed. Now it is heard quite often, and is rarely a national story.

I would not excuse murder.
Nor would I consider this an example of "social violence". This was predatory violence. Much like the cases you cited (committed by adults, incidentally) with perhaps somewhat differring motives.

Tom Joad

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May 30, 2010, 11:21:50 AM
Quote from: reednavy on May 30, 2010, 11:06:23 AM
Quote from: Tom Joad on May 30, 2010, 11:00:19 AM
right
How, please explain how putting his ass away for life is cruel and unusual after he killed a woman over a few bucks and some pizza. I would love to hear your reasoning as to why it is cruel/unusual because little shits like him these days don't care anymore and need to be taught harsh lessons.

Of course, he is given a life sentence, but doesn't say w/o parole, so he'll probably serve 15-25 years and then get out. He deserves to sit and rot in jail over a senseless crime. Record or not prior to this, he killed someone and deserves the book to hit him in the face.
Well there are no easy answers here.You have to do 80% of your sentence in fl. not sure how they determine 80% of life but there is a 100% chance when he get's out he will be a much more proficient killer seeing as how the gun "just went off" this time. With school being out shortly there will be no shortage of bored gun toting angry teens running the mean streets of Jacksonville apparently the judge wanted to send a message to em. We shall see....

RockStar

#12
May 30, 2010, 12:02:45 PM
He and his friends all deserve life in prison. They committed 1st degree murder. They knew what they were doing when they lured that poor woman to that apartment to rob her. F*ck them. That photo of him crying on his mama's breast? Priceless. Last set he'll ever see. Now someone go make a few thousand copies and paper your favorite neighborhood...
~j.

Springfielder

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May 30, 2010, 01:07:01 PM Last Edit: May 30, 2010, 01:09:17 PM by Springfielder
Quote from: Tom JoadWell there are no easy answers here.You have to do 80% of your sentence in fl. not sure how they determine 80% of life but there is a 100% chance when he get's out he will be a much more proficient killer seeing as how the gun "just went off" this time. With school being out shortly there will be no shortage of bored gun toting angry teens running the mean streets of Jacksonville apparently the judge wanted to send a message to em. We shall see....
There's been summer vacations from school, since the beginning of the educational system, and kids will be home...so what's your point. That kids today are more bored and prone to committing violent crimes simply because it's today and not that of yesterday? Give me a break, if the lousy parents actually took an active role in parenting these thugs, then we wouldn't have to deal with them as much as we do nowadays.

The fact is, the poor dear little 16 year old, who didn't have a criminal record, decided to participate in armed robberies. The first night (that we know of) was quite successful, so they opted to continue, only this time the moron pulled the trigger because the defenseless woman didn't want to give up her hard earned money to some low life.

Again, who the hell cares? I sure don't and I sure don't care that he'll spend the majority of his life behind bars. Nor do I care that he'll be in there with those much tougher than he is. Yeah, he may learn to kill a bit better, he may learn to fight better...or at least, he better hope so, or he'll be someone's boytoy.

Oh and the message by the judge, that apparently he's sick of these thugs killing people too and that he'd rather see them live out their days behind bars. Will it prevent other thugs from killing, not likely, because they'd have to have a freaking respect for life first.

Springfielder

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May 30, 2010, 01:10:33 PM
Quote from: RockStarHe and his friends all deserve life in prison. They committed 1st degree murder. They knew what they were doing when they lured that poor woman to that apartment to rob her. F*ck them. That photo of him crying on his mama's breast? Priceless. Last set he'll ever see. Now someone go make a few thousand copies and paper your favorite neighborhood...
~j.
I especially liked that photo, he may as well get used to being in that position.... ;)

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