Super Bowl 2014 in New Jersey?? Bad, bad idea

[mtraininjax]

The year after Super Bowl 39, Jacksonville, it was played in Detroit, then Miami, then Arizona, THEN TAMPA, Feb 1, 2009.

[reednavy]

Doesn't matter if Miami gets a new stadium, we had our shot and really didn't feed off the momentum after the SB. Both Miami and Tampa have more to their DT than Jax. We may not even have an NFL in a few yrs.

Don't forget what Houston did after they got the SB, the light rail line was a big bonus.

[duvaldude08]

The year after Super Bowl 39, Jacksonville, it was played in Detroit, then Miami, then Arizona, THEN TAMPA, Feb 1, 2009.

I stand corrected. But when it was, They still had hotel issues for sure. So were not the only ones. But of coruse, we are the red headed step child of the NFL.

[mtraininjax]

For a city hosting the Republican National Convention in 2012, I seriously doubt there is a hotel issue in Tampa/St. Pete. Some people will stay in Orlando/Disney to be close to all of that Disney, Sea World, Universal, etc. Tampa has had 4 super bowls, I believe they have sufficient hotel rooms.

[Keith-N-Jax]

Plenty hotels DT Tampa.

[I-10east]

Anyone else think this is a really bad idea? The possibilities of a complete white out on game night are very real. A good nor'easter gets going through that area and forget about it. And pity the poor folks who will pay, what, at least 500 bucks a ticket for the nose bleed section, sitting freezing their whosits off..I think the NFL has really made a bad decision here.

I'm with you on this one. It will not be an enjoyable experience to pay thousands for a SB ticket sitting in one degree weather. NYC is already crowded as it is, then add a blizzard, and the SB, oh brother. Hmm, who's at the NFL helm during this disasterous decision? Oh, what a surprise, Roger Goodell. Don't forget about coin gate; How did that work for you Roger? Everything Goodell does (overtime rule, Jags rant etc, etc) I disagree with. You think Bettman is bad for the NHL, Roger is gonna run the NFL down the ground.

[Keith-N-Jax]

Well it took me 2 hrs to cross the George Washington bridge on a Sunday afternoon. But like Miami who also has bad traffic most of the time they'll get a free pass because its NY, the Big Apple.

[JC]

Well it took me 2 hrs to cross the George Washington bridge on a Sunday afternoon. But like Miami who also has bad traffic most of the time they'll get a free pass because its NY, the Big Apple.

I know, not having it makes it hard to think about it.

Gametime:     From New York City:
All Times    

How do I get to the Stadium?

  1. Best way: Take NRQ or DF subway lines to 34 St-Herald Square Station
         * Transfer to a Hoboken-bound PATH train on the mezzanine level. PATH accepts Pay-Per-Ride MetroCard
         * Get off at the Hoboken PATH Station and walk upstairs to the NJ Transit Rail Station. Buy a ticket to Meadowlands Sports Complex Station and locate your train to the game.
  2. Take ACE or 123 subway lines to 34 St-Penn Station.
         * Go to any NJ Transit station clerk or Ticket Vending Machine, and buy a round trip ticket to Meadowlands Station.
         * Look on the departure boards for the next NJ Transit train that stops at Secaucus Junction Station. The screen will say "SEC" next to the line name.
         * Board that train and ride it to Secaucus Junction, and then use your ticket to transfer via the escalators to the Meadowlands Service.

How much does the Meadowlands Service ride cost?

   * Hoboken to Meadowlands Station is $5.75 per person for an off-peak round-trip ticket
   * Penn Station to Meadowlands Station is $7.75 per person for an off-peak round-trip ticket.

How often do trains run to the stadium?

   * There are three trains from Penn Station in the first 15 minutes of each hour to Secaucus Junction, and the ride is about 12 minutes. From Secaucus, the ride to the Stadium is about 10 minutes.
   * Hoboken train runs about every 10 minutes to the Stadium. PATH trains at 34 St-Herald Square run about every 10 minutes from 10:30 a.m. to 7 p.m., then about every 20 minutes in the evening. The trip from Hoboken to the Stadium is about 25 minutes.

I can say with complete certainty that the MTA will make special arrangements for the game. 

[Bostech]

Well it took me 2 hrs to cross the George Washington bridge on a Sunday afternoon. But like Miami who also has bad traffic most of the time they'll get a free pass because its NY, the Big Apple.

In NYC if you get off wrong exit you end up with free windshield cleaning,you don't get such service in Miami.

[I-10east]

I can imagine that all of the local NYC dirt bags (thousands of pickpockets, muggers, etc.) are just licking their chops for this golden opportunity. Everytime I go to NYC, I always have some kinda shysty encounter. It's pretty much like that in all of the Northeast metros. Ohhh, I'm ruffling feathers; I'm just tellin' it like it is. In case anybody thinks that I'm anti-NYC or something, I was born there (Manhattan); I spent my first nine years of life there (eight in Bed Stuy, Brooklyn).

[JC]

I can imagine that all of the local NYC dirt bags (thousands of pickpockets, muggers, etc.) are just licking their chops for this golden opportunity. Everytime I go to NYC, I always have some kinda shysty encounter. It's pretty much like that in all of the Northeast metros. Ohhh, I'm ruffling feathers; I'm just tellin' it like it is. In case anybody thinks that I'm anti-NYC or something, I was born there (Manhattan); I spent my first nine years of life there (eight in Bed Stuy, Brooklyn).

You can say whatever you want about crime in NY but the statistics CONSTANTLY contradict your perception.  I am not really sure by 9 years old you really had the insight and understanding of what NY was all about.  Also, if you look at most statistical data the biggest change occurred around the two thousandsies, so unless you are like 10, you probably were in NY during a less safe time.  You are not ruffling feathers, you just don't know what you are talking about.

Full List: America's Safest Cities
Zack O'Malley Greenburg, 10.26.09, 04:00 PM EDT
These metros have the lowest rates of violent crime, workplace deaths, fatal crashes and natural disasters.

Rank    Metro Area    MSA Population    Violent Crime    Workplace Fatality Rates    Traffic Death Rates    Natural Disaster Risk    Total
1    Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI   3,229,878    9    1    7    7    24
2    Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI   1,549,308    24    11    4    1    40
3    Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA   2,207,462    1    10    5    25    41
4    Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH   4,522,858    10    5    1    28    44
4    Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA   3,344,813    3    2    8    31    44
6    Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA   1,596,611    6    7    11    28    52
7    San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA   1,819,198    2    8    6    38    54
8    New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA   19,006,798    11    15    2    27    55
9    Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN   2,155,137    8    27    20    2    57
10    Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH   2,088,291    15    25    17    2    59
10    Denver-Aurora, CO   2,506,626    5    28    16    10    59
12    Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI    4,425,110    40    4    10    8    62
13    San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA    3,001,072    14    6    19    26    65
14    Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ    4,281,899    17    17    27    5    66
15    Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI    9,569,624    26    23    9    9    67
15    Austin-Round Rock, TX    1,652,602    4    14    34    15    67
15    Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX    6,300,006    19    12    18    18    67
18    Pittsburgh, PA    2,351,192    7    37    24    2    70
19    Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA    12,872,808    21    3    12    35    71
20    Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV    5,358,130    16    24    13    20    73
21    Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD    5,838,471    28    30    14    6    78
22    San Antonio, TX    2,031,445    25    16    30    12    83
23    Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA    5,376,285    20    20    32    14    86
24    Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville, CA    2,109,832    22    18    15    33    88
25    San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA    4,274,531    29    22    3    39    93
26    Baltimore-Towson, MD    2,667,117    34    21    21    21    97
27    Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC    1,658,292    13    31    22    32    98
28    Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL    2,733,761    32    9    38    22    101
29    Las Vegas-Paradise, NV    1,865,746    39    26    29    11    105
29    Columbus, OH    1,773,120    12    36    23    34    105
31    Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC    1,701,799    31    29    25    22    107
32    Kansas City, MO-KS    2,002,047    27    32    33    16    108
32    Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA    4,115,871    18    19    36    35    108
34    St. Louis, MO-IL    2,816,710    23    39    31    16    109
35    Orlando-Kissimmee, FL    2,054,574    38    13    40    22    113
36    Indianapolis-Carmel, IN    1,715,459    30    40    26    19    115
37    Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN    1,550,733    36    33    37    13    119
38    Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX    5,728,143    33    38    28    37    136
39    Jacksonville, FL    1,313,228    37    35    39    30    141
40    Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL    5,414,772    35    34    35    40    144

Here is the link so it lines up better!  http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/26/safest-cities-ten-lifestyle-real-estate-metros-msa_chart.html


There were also more robberies per capita in Jacksonville than NY, 365 per 100,000 residents in Jacksonville and 266 per 100,000 in NY.  http://www.city-data.com/city/New-York-New-York.html

I understand the general perception that NY is unsafe or that something "bad" is going to happen but that's really not true and is perpetuated by a bum rap in movies, the news, and people by people who don't really know what they are talking about.  I have walked down Broadway in Harlem at 2am, I have also been to Marble Hill/Kings Bridge in the Bronx at that time, NOTHING has ever happened to me, I realize I am only one person and my experience is not the same as everyone else but the data backs me up.  Just stay away from the three card monty and prepare for parking in advance, now there is where you will get robbed, by parking rates, however there is a handy tool to find reasonable parking rates now http://nyc.bestparking.com/index.php

[I-10east]

You forgot about one thing JC, alotta crime goes unreported. You can bring all of your genius stats if you wanna, but if you don't have your "third eye" open in NY, the vultures will pounce. Your comment about me not knowing NY is laughable. I also have spent vacations there as an adult.

2002: I went to the Empire State building 86th floor observation deck, and got pickpocketed. It totally ruined my vacation, and I only had about twenty dollars left for a coupla days.

2008: I went to a Bronx gas station and before we got outta the car, some strange goons surrounded the car; I sped off.

On the same trip, We went to a Bronx pizza place, and parked my car just outside of the restaurant, I went back to the car(at the time a ragedy lil' 98 Saturn), and someone was trying to scope it out to steal. I detered them just in time when we approached the car, and he said "My bad, is this your car?"

At my Queens hotel, a dude gave my the coldest look like "What you're doing with that car?" It's just a run-of-the-mill Saturn, not a Mercedes; Stuff like that will never happen in J-ville, Orlando etc.

If anyone do not think that NYC isn't notorious for pickpocketing, you're naive. It's WELL documented!

[JC]

You forgot about one thing JC, alotta crime goes unreported. You can bring all of your genius stats if you wanna, but if you don't have your "third eye" open in NY, the vultures will pounce. Your comment about me not knowing NY is laughable. I also have spent vacations there as an adult.

2002: I went to the Empire State building 86th floor observation deck, and got pickpocketed. It totally ruined my vacation, and I only had about twenty dollars left for a coupla days.

2008: I went to a Bronx gas station and before we got outta the car, some strange goons surrounded the car; I sped off.

On the same trip, We went to a Bronx pizza place, and parked my car just outside of the restaurant, I went back to the car(at the time a ragedy lil' 98 Saturn), and someone was trying to scope it out to steal. I detered them just in time when we approached the car, and he said "My bad, is this your car?"

At my Queens hotel, a dude gave my the coldest look like "What you're doing with that car?" It's just a run-of-the-mill Saturn, not a Mercedes; Stuff like that will never happen in J-ville, Orlando etc.

If any one don't think that NYC is notorious for pickpocking, you're naive. It's WELL documented!

Yeah, pick pocketing is a problem in places where tourists hang out, like TS, a few simple steps prevent this from happening or minimize the damage of it happening.  First of all, dont carry a wallet or if you do keep it in your front pocket or jacket pocket, if its cold out (which it will be during the SB) you probably have a jacket with an inside pocket, keep your cash there, and then slip your ID and credit card in your front pocket.  It just takes street smarts and a little common sense like, dont wear flashy jewelry, dont flash gobs of cash while purchasing from a street vendor. 

Seriously though, going to NY for vacation a few times does not mean you understand NY, any more than vacationing in Africa makes you an expert on their geography, customs and culture.  NY is different but with a little preparation and some common sense you can have a great time and nothing bad will happen to you. 

I would be more worried about privately contracted tow trucks stealing your car for parking under misleading ambiguous signs, this happens far more than pick pocketing. 

Whatever, you can bad mouth NY all you want but again, its because you don't get it.  And there is no comparing Jacksonville or Orlando with NY.  While both cities have their finer points they also have their problems and they lack a truly diverse culture.  But if you want to be afraid of a statistical unlikelihood (especially since you were pick pocketed once, I doubt it will happen again, if you do the right thing with your possessions)  go for it!  Just stop pretending like a few visits makes you an authority.

[BridgeTroll]

100 year NFL anniversary Super Bowl should be at Lambeau...

[I-10east]

 

Whatever, you can bad mouth NY all you want but again, its because you don't get it.  And there is no comparing Jacksonville or Orlando with NY.  While both cities have their finer points they also have their problems and they lack a truly diverse culture.  But if you want to be afraid of a statistical unlikelihood (especially since you were pick pocketed once, I doubt it will happen again, if you do the right thing with your possessions)  go for it!  Just stop pretending like a few visits makes you an authority.

So just totally rule out the first nine years of my life during the 80's crack epidemic, the birth of hip hop, and the nostagia of candy stores, and block parties. Totally rule it out, Like I'm totally clueless about NYC. I never said that I was 'the authority"; Hell, apparently you're "the authority". You compared the culture between NYC and Jax, not me; All I said was that NYC has certain shysty things about it that Southern cities do not. You can try to paint me as anti-NYC if you wanna; I love NY, just tellin' it like it is.