Should Hate Be Outlawed?

[JC]

What I need is to stop having needless arguments...

[braeburn]

Hatred for something is generally fueled by a passion for something else.

Funny, isn't it?

[braeburn]

What I need is to stop having needless arguments...

Just do what I do: ignore the post(s) entirely and write about something else relating to the subject. 

[Jerry Moran]

Hatred for something is generally fueled by a passion for something else.

Hatred comes easy in Downtown Jacksonville.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq093A22Z3I

[buckethead]

Midget Hate?

This thread is taking a new direction... And I like it!

[JagFan07]

What I need is to stop having needless arguments...

Yeah, its pointless with the poster anyways.  There is a real disingenuousness involved.  First comes the circular logic, then, (if you are lucky) will come the personal insults, usually followed by a rebuke for anti patriotism or a reference to something similar, then the subject will mysteriously shift in order to avoid the locomotive engine coming straight at them, then the next day they will pretend that the conversation never happened and start over with the same Glen Beck nonsense.

Its really very Sisyphean.

If you want to listen to hilarity ensue, simply ask where the Weapons of Mass Destruction went in Iraq, and then ask if the poster still back Blackwater and Eric Prince (its founder) as the paragons of moral virtue that all the rest of us should hope to one day live up to.....if only we could understand the noble warrior code.

Thats always good for a few rides on the roller coaster.

The thread title, incidentally is silly. 

We cannot, or rather it would be more correct to say, we should not be in the legal framework of limiting emotions.  They are our nature and are there for a great reason generally.  Even Hatred.  For example it is in our best interest to hate invading soldiers who are raping and murdering our neighbors.  We should hate evil. 

What we punish is the decisions that we make, based on emotions plus reason.  And that basic transaction in the relationship between the two ideals is what we call judgement

For example, when someone commits a crime of passion, like murdering their spouse for infidelity, we would punish them for Murder, not Passion. 

Or more analogous to the idea of a hate crime:  terrorism.

When some one murders a hostage because of the underlying desire to create fear based on politics or religion, we are not punishing them for either politics or religion.

We are punishing for the murders, true...but also because they are calculated to create something else, which is extortion based on the politics.

Or perhaps genocide:  The attempt to murder all members of a race or culture.   When the Germans attempted genocide on the Jews, it was based on their racial pride and their version of a scientific solution to their economic problems.

I suppose if one of the old guard hitlerian nazis were here, he would start a thread asking us, "Should we outlaw German Pride and Science?", and it would be just as disingenuous.

Hate Crime legislation is not an attempt to stop the unstoppable.  It is a punishment for using it as a basis to commit crimes to satisfy hatred.

Best post on this topic. Stephen, I wished I had your gift of gab. Oh and I learned a new word "Sisyphean".

[buckethead]

Agreed. That was the best composed arguement I for hate crime legislation I have read.

It does presume that a crime of hate is intended to "terrorize" or affect the behavior of others in the future.

The case Jags 07 pointed out would be a good example to use. Did the accused have terrorism in mind? Did he intend to send a message to white supremecists? DId intend to send a message to those who would treat labor unfairly? Can a member of a minority race (or sexual preference et al) be found guilty of a hate crime.

Some examples of convictions could lend some insight. I'll crack open a can of google when I get a minute.

Reading minds is not something easily done. I have doubts that we can perform that function adequately to write such legislation. I don't see any relevant distinction why a person would commit premeditated murder. (Not that the accused has been convicted)

[JC]

Hatred for something is generally fueled by a passion for something else.

Hatred comes easy in Downtown Jacksonville.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq093A22Z3I

You will take any opportunity, real or perceived wont you?

[JagFan07]

I knew this thread reminded of a movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gn2sLUJ-eLk

[JC]

I knew this thread reminded of a movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/gn2sLUJ-eLk

LOL... You really are confused!

[JC]

I get it, though.  Its like predicting that a person who tests positive for pot is going to be an unfit employee.  You can tell the future!

Nice!

Oh wait, I am saddling up to (or on) someone I know nothing about, an evil _______.

[JC]

I think the word that you are grasping for there is:  evil sane person, although Im sure the one poster would prefer pinko socialist liberal.  (and possibly traitor) My longtime membership in the Republican Party and affinity for Ayn Rand notwithstanding, somewhere in the dna, anyone who sound either polysyllabic or free thinking got metabolized into 'liberal'.

Its why there arent so many smart republicans left to talk to.

We are all 'independents', now.

Just using a word like "polysyllabic" makes you an elitist socialist!

[buckethead]

Clever indeed. How do you guys manage it?

[buckethead]

I must be too dense. Are you simply giving the children what they want?

BTW, I always suspected Wonka was a pedophile.

[buckethead]

Many unsavory characters throughout fabled history. Perhaps some sort of legislation could help control these predators.