The Jaguars - NFL Relocations and the LA Stadium Plan

[stjr]

...nobody is going to want to keep a dynamic team in CLEVELAND, DETROIT, BUFFALO, and if it weren't for some other very lucky curves, GREEN BAY, PHILADELPHIA, CINCINNATI and one NEW YORK team would be looking to bail too.

Ock, I agree, some of these cities have demographic issues coming down the pike.  But, I am not sure all of them do.

Buffalo and Detroit seem to me to be the worst, anecdotally. Don't know much about Green Bay other than it is the smallest NFL market.  That the local citizens own the team may keep them there almost forever.

Cleveland may be a toss up but I wouldn't write them off so quickly.  After all, they managed to attract the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame not too many years ago.  Cincy looks to me to still have a pulse.

Philly and New York, when you take in their suburbs, come across as very much alive and well.  I wouldn't think twice of putting them on this list.

[BridgeTroll]

The Packers are extremely unlikely to ever be sold or moved.  There is no profit in doing so...

Based on the original "Articles of Incorporation for the (then) Green Bay Football Corporation" put into place in 1923, if the Packers franchise were to have been sold, after the payment of all expenses, any remaining money would go to the Sullivan Post of the American Legion in order to build "a proper soldier's memorial." This stipulation was enacted to ensure the club remained in Green Bay and that there could never be any financial enhancement for the shareholders. At the November 1997 annual meeting, shareholders voted to change the beneficiary from the Sullivan-Wallen Post to the Green Bay Packers Foundation, which makes donations to many charities and institutions throughout Wisconsin.

This is a very interesting read BTW...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers

[duvaldude08]

As of today, per Jaguars.com, we have sold a little over 3,000 new season tickets so far. Keep it up!!!!

[simms3]

Rams definitely to Inglewood (Stan Kroenke's stadium proposal).  Chargers have option to join them.  Raiders to stay in Oakland.

[blizz01]

I feel for St. Louis fans.....

[I-10east]

Thanks for bring up this archaic abomination from the dead, when we are already have more appropriate recent threads...

[FlaBoy]

I think the Rams returning to LA is a good thing. In a perfect world, the Raiders would have moved to LA and the Rams would have stayed in STL but that was not going to happen with the Davis family being looked upon as so inept these days. The Chargers need to stay in San Diego. Everyone keeps acting as if LA has an appetite for two teams but I don't believe it. The corporate community does and that is what the NFL is after but not the fans. The only way LA should get a second team is if its the Raiders since they already have a fan base in SoCal.

After LA, I think the Raiders could end up in 1) San Antonio 2) Portland 3) STL 4) Las Vegas 5) OKC

I do think STL is a danger to Jax in the next several years with Khan's ties to the area. Other than the pie in the sky London move, STL is the first place I would worry about since a move to STL would not throw off the current allignment either considering STL is close enough to the South and very close to Indy and Nashville.

But again, I think the NFL was very strategic in putting a team here because we are a growing area and the city has been very committed to the team. Everbank is a great facility.

In the end, I think the Chargers stay home or join in Inglewood. The Raiders go to LA, or attempt to go to San Antonio with a plot of land in the suburbs closer to Austin. Jerry Jones will try to block that move (since he owns that area currently). If he is successful, the Raiders would seriously look at STL and Las Vegas, maybe San Diego if the Chargers move.

[Bridges]

I think the Rams returning to LA is a good thing. In a perfect world, the Raiders would have moved to LA and the Rams would have stayed in STL but that was not going to happen with the Davis family being looked upon as so inept these days. The Chargers need to stay in San Diego. Everyone keeps acting as if LA has an appetite for two teams but I don't believe it. The corporate community does and that is what the NFL is after but not the fans. The only way LA should get a second team is if its the Raiders since they already have a fan base in SoCal.

After LA, I think the Raiders could end up in 1) San Antonio 2) Portland 3) STL 4) Las Vegas 5) OKC

I do think STL is a danger to Jax in the next several years with Khan's ties to the area. Other than the pie in the sky London move, STL is the first place I would worry about since a move to STL would not throw off the current allignment either considering STL is close enough to the South and very close to Indy and Nashville.

But again, I think the NFL was very strategic in putting a team here because we are a growing area and the city has been very committed to the team. Everbank is a great facility.

In the end, I think the Chargers stay home or join in Inglewood. The Raiders go to LA, or attempt to go to San Antonio with a plot of land in the suburbs closer to Austin. Jerry Jones will try to block that move (since he owns that area currently). If he is successful, the Raiders would seriously look at STL and Las Vegas, maybe San Diego if the Chargers move.

Oakland has backed out of the LA deal.  As part of backing out, the NFL will give them an additional $200 Million to build a new stadium in Oakland.  They aren't moving. 

Also part of the deal of the Inglewood deal, I believe San Diego is blocked from getting a team for a long time.  Don't want to create a 2 team market in LA and then add another So. Cal team to eat into it.

[Josh]

There's no guarantee the Raiders will be staying in Oakland.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/davis-wont-commit-raiders-playing-oakland-next-season

[E_Dubya]

I think the Rams returning to LA is a good thing. In a perfect world, the Raiders would have moved to LA and the Rams would have stayed in STL but that was not going to happen with the Davis family being looked upon as so inept these days. The Chargers need to stay in San Diego. Everyone keeps acting as if LA has an appetite for two teams but I don't believe it. The corporate community does and that is what the NFL is after but not the fans. The only way LA should get a second team is if its the Raiders since they already have a fan base in SoCal.

After LA, I think the Raiders could end up in 1) San Antonio 2) Portland 3) STL 4) Las Vegas 5) OKC

I do think STL is a danger to Jax in the next several years with Khan's ties to the area. Other than the pie in the sky London move, STL is the first place I would worry about since a move to STL would not throw off the current allignment either considering STL is close enough to the South and very close to Indy and Nashville.

But again, I think the NFL was very strategic in putting a team here because we are a growing area and the city has been very committed to the team. Everbank is a great facility.

In the end, I think the Chargers stay home or join in Inglewood. The Raiders go to LA, or attempt to go to San Antonio with a plot of land in the suburbs closer to Austin. Jerry Jones will try to block that move (since he owns that area currently). If he is successful, the Raiders would seriously look at STL and Las Vegas, maybe San Diego if the Chargers move.

Khan was already asked about this very theory by the St. Louis media last night and said he has no interest. I think St. Louis may be out of the discussion for a while. They've now lost two teams in the last 30 years. From a business perspective, that's very unnerving for any potential franchisee who wants to relocate to that market.

[FlaBoy]

Agreed. St. Louis is damaged goods now. Also, for Khan, there is an advantage to being the only show in town here. The corporate base is split between the Cards and Blues currently in STL.

[KenFSU]

A lot can happen down the road, but STL's mayor pretty much said "F*ck the NFL, we're done with them."

[thelakelander]

I think the Rams returning to LA is a good thing. In a perfect world, the Raiders would have moved to LA and the Rams would have stayed in STL but that was not going to happen with the Davis family being looked upon as so inept these days. The Chargers need to stay in San Diego. Everyone keeps acting as if LA has an appetite for two teams but I don't believe it. The corporate community does and that is what the NFL is after but not the fans. The only way LA should get a second team is if its the Raiders since they already have a fan base in SoCal.

After LA, I think the Raiders could end up in 1) San Antonio 2) Portland 3) STL 4) Las Vegas 5) OKC

I do think STL is a danger to Jax in the next several years with Khan's ties to the area. Other than the pie in the sky London move, STL is the first place I would worry about since a move to STL would not throw off the current allignment either considering STL is close enough to the South and very close to Indy and Nashville.

But again, I think the NFL was very strategic in putting a team here because we are a growing area and the city has been very committed to the team. Everbank is a great facility.

In the end, I think the Chargers stay home or join in Inglewood. The Raiders go to LA, or attempt to go to San Antonio with a plot of land in the suburbs closer to Austin. Jerry Jones will try to block that move (since he owns that area currently). If he is successful, the Raiders would seriously look at STL and Las Vegas, maybe San Diego if the Chargers move.

Khan was already asked about this very theory by the St. Louis media last night and said he has no interest. I think St. Louis may be out of the discussion for a while. They've now lost two teams in the last 30 years. From a business perspective, that's very unnerving for any potential franchisee who wants to relocate to that market.

Jags have doubled in value since Khan took over. They aren't going anywhere. More here:

Shad Khan: Jaguars moving to St. Louis isn't a possibility
http://espn.go.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/16532/shad-khan-jaguars-moving-to-st-louis-isnt-a-possibility

[E_Dubya]

A lot can happen down the road, but STL's mayor pretty much said "F*ck the NFL, we're done with them."

I think worse for St. Louis, two separate ownership groups have said "To hell with St. Louis, we're done with them." That's a pretty damning action for the city. Football will always stand third in line behind baseball and hockey there, and certainly doesn't help their case.

[FSBA]

A lot can happen down the road, but STL's mayor pretty much said "F*ck the NFL, we're done with them."

I think worse for St. Louis, two separate ownership groups have said "To hell with St. Louis, we're done with them." That's a pretty damning action for the city. Football will always stand third in line behind baseball and hockey there, and certainly doesn't help their case.

Not to mention the NFL was so underwhelmed by St.Louis during the 1993 expansion process they practically begged Jacksonville to resubmit their bid.