San Fran. Blows Away Jax on Intermodal, Shipyard Project Comparisons

[ChriswUfGator]

.but having owned a small upscale European hatchback that didn't sell well in the US, I'm not sure we are ready to share in the world's love of hatchbacks....I hope I'm wrong!

Oh my, a Saab driver.  A Saab hatchback is the car of choice of engineers, planners and computer techs!  If female, then a Saab convertible.   

LMFAO on Dog Walker's 110% correct assessment of personalities that go for euro hatchbacks.

But Tufsu's last car was pretty darn cool, he had that little Volvo R type that won all the awards. Sweet ride.

[tufsu1]

yes Chris....the Audi A3 has been replaced by a 2009 Volvo C30 R-Design....my third small euro hatch (not including my first car....a 1979 Ford Fiesta)

[peestandingup]

What will it take to progress our thinking to this type of level?  We have a ton of assets (Shipyards included) waiting to be taken advantage of and better utilized.

among other things:

an economy the size of SF Bay area
population the size of SF Bay area
income and education levels comparable w/ SF Bay area
mode split to transit similar to SF Bay area

Some of the same type of thinking is coming out of places like Salt Lake City, Charlotte, Denver and Fort Worth.  I think there may be a lot more involved.

True. I'd put New Orleans in there too. And they're certainly not rich or have the population that N California has. Yet they keep progressing in spite of these things, hurricanes, oil spills, etc. So what's our excuse?

I think it basically comes down to the community & what residents in those cities EXPECT their city to have. The vast majority EXPECT walkability, they EXPECT streetcars & transportation, they EXPECT bike friendliness, they EXPECT a condensed core so to not have to rely on a car, and most of all, they have a BELIEF in their city & are all working towards these same common goals to get them done.

Can we say the same for Jax residents? Probably not. We're sort of the epitome of that sprawled out, disconnected suburban-crazed community that all can't get on the same page. How do you even begin to fix something like that??

[ChriswUfGator]

yes Chris....the Audi A3 has been replaced by a 2009 Volvo C30 R-Design....my third small euro hatch (not including my first car....a 1979 Ford Fiesta)

Oh cool, I like that car a lot. There isn't a comparable Audi out right now that I'd trade the C30R for, that's a sweet ride. I thought you were saying you'd traded that on the Audi wagon and I was WTF, but you went the other way. I saw your C-R a couple times when you'd come to the meetings at 3 Layers, it just draws your eye and won't let it go, it's a great design. The first couple times I saw one, I had to do a triple take to make sure it was really a Volvo, I couldn't believe it.