Do these Votes Represent YOU?

Started by FayeforCure, November 25, 2009, 10:16:59 AM

FayeforCure

From my Megavote mailing in my inbox today:

QuoteRecent House Votes
Fire Grants Reauthorization Act of 2009 - Vote Passed (395-31, 8 Not Voting)

The House approved this legislation that would reauthorize FEMA’s Assistance to Firefighters grants and Staffing for Adequate Fire and Emergency Response program through FY2014. The bill now goes to the Senate.

Rep. John Mica voted NO......send e-mail or see bio


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Medicare Physician Payment Reform Act of 2009 - Vote Passed (243-183, 8 Not Voting)

The House passed this bill to change the formula that determines the Medicare physician fee schedule, with the intention of preventing a 21 percent reduction in Medicare payments to physicians. It now goes to the Senate.

Rep. John Mica voted NO......send e-mail or see bio


Do we support Firefighters? YES
Do we support Doctors? YES

Why the NO votes in our name?

Check out YOUR Representatives' votes at http://www.congress.org
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Reaper man

simple...

Mica is a Republican.  Republicans care more about money than the welfare of people.

BridgeTroll

QuoteWhy the NO votes in our name?

Faye...  What?  You dont know the answer?  Im sure it is because he hates firefighters and doctors... ::) Duh.

There cannot be any other explanation... :o
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FayeforCure

Quote from: Reaper man on November 25, 2009, 11:24:35 PM
simple...

Mica is a Republican.  Republicans care more about money than the welfare of people.

Quite true in most cases!

Of course none of this matters to people like BT,...........he doesn't really care why Mica votes the way he does, as long as Mica's a Republican.
In a society governed passively by free markets and free elections, organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy.
Basic American bi-partisan tradition: Dwight Eisenhower and Harry Truman were honorary chairmen of Planned Parenthood

BridgeTroll

Thanks Stephen.  Faye... Perhaps the issue is deeper than...
QuoteDo we support Firefighters? YES
Do we support Doctors? YES
Even you... Faye... would agree that Mica supports fire fighters and doctors... The point... Faye... is perhaps there is something else besides the support of these to groups which causes Mica and others to not support the bill. 

Same with the healthcare reform bill.  It is huge and complex.  I am sure there are many parts of the bill that republicans could and do support.  They simply will not vote for it because of the rather large portions that they do not support.

Your simplistic slogans are just that Faye... simplistic.

Republicans in fact DO support...
Doctors...
Firefighters...
and healthcare reform.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

FayeforCure

Quote from: stephendare on November 27, 2009, 12:00:52 PM
Faye, I think BT can more than adequately describe his own motivations.  I have yet to find him to be a partisan fanatic, and instead one of the more open minded conservative people who posts here.


I would believe that if I actually ever saw him question Mica's votes. Instead, whatever Mica votes is ok with him: "Mica must have good reasons for doing so."

Can you say blind trust?

All I know is that when I ran against Mica in 2008, I received communications from Republican doctors who were perturbed at Mica, as they had done fundraisers for Mica in the past, and felt betrayed when Mica decided to back insurance companies over doctors by cutting Medicare doctor's reimbursements.

I brought it up in my debate against Mica:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5ylBIS5x6Q

In a society governed passively by free markets and free elections, organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy.
Basic American bi-partisan tradition: Dwight Eisenhower and Harry Truman were honorary chairmen of Planned Parenthood

buckethead

Quote from: FayeforCure on November 27, 2009, 05:21:19 PM
Quote from: stephendare on November 27, 2009, 12:00:52 PM
Faye, I think BT can more than adequately describe his own motivations.  I have yet to find him to be a partisan fanatic, and instead one of the more open minded conservative people who posts here.


I would believe that if I actually ever saw him question Mica's votes. Instead, whatever Mica votes is ok with him: "Mica must have good reasons for doing so."

Can you say blind trust?

All I know is that when I ran against Mica in 2008, I received communications from Republican doctors who were perturbed at Mica, as they had done fundraisers for Mica in the past, and felt betrayed when Mica decided to back insurance companies over doctors by cutting Medicare doctor's reimbursements.

I brought it up in my debate against Mica:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5ylBIS5x6Q


It sounds like we agree that Doctors are paid too little for treating Medicare beneficiaries.

BridgeTroll

 :D ::) :D  Actually Faye...

I am not so much FOR him as I am against you... :) :-*
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

FayeforCure

Quote from: buckethead on November 27, 2009, 05:35:59 PM
It sounds like we agree that Doctors are paid too little for treating Medicare beneficiaries.

buckethead, thank you!

And Mica wants that pay to be cut another 21%. Go figure!!

Despite Mica's deplorable vote, the 21% Medicare cuts for physician reimbirsement won't happen. Enough true REPRESENTATIVES averted the cuts.
In a society governed passively by free markets and free elections, organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy.
Basic American bi-partisan tradition: Dwight Eisenhower and Harry Truman were honorary chairmen of Planned Parenthood

Ocklawaha

Quote from: BridgeTroll on November 27, 2009, 06:07:26 PM
:D ::) :D  Actually Faye...

I am not so much FOR him as I am against you... :) :-*


AMEN BROTHER TROLL! AMEN!
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OCKLAWAHA

tufsu1

Faye...to spin this another way....has Mica ever voted for something you are in favor of?

Ocklawaha

He did once TUFSU1, so Faye changed HER vote!
That's it, I'm starting a Impeach Faye Movement!
Yeah, I know Mica beat her, Thank Ipthar she didn't get elected to anything.
I'm really starting to see this woman as a menace to society.


OCKLAWAHA

BridgeTroll

Here are the probable reasons for voting against Fire Grants Reauthorization Act of 2009

http://www.heritage.org/Research/HomelandSecurity/wm2657.cfm

QuoteH.R. 3791 reauthorizes a grant program that has significant shortcomings:

•It continues a grant program that has failed to reduce fire-related deaths and injuries of firefighters and civilians.
•It is specifically designed to encourage local fire departments to become increasingly dependent on federal funding.
•As currently drafted, the legislation fails to reorient the fire grants toward fulfilling a federal homeland security function. Instead, fire grants will continue being almost solely focused on subsidizing the routine operations of basic fire services.

Reasons for voting against Medicare Physician Payment Reform Act of 2009...

http://www.gop.gov/bill/111/1/hr3961

QuoteWhile Democrats claim Speaker Pelosi's 1,990-page health "reform" bill (H.R. 3962) is "deficit-neutral," the hundreds of billions of dollars in new spending in H.R. 3961 is not paid for.  While Members may support reform  of the SGR mechanism, many may oppose what amounts to an obvious attempt to hide the apparent cost of health "reform" by introducing separate legislation to repeal the SGR mechanism without paying for this more than $200 billion increase in federal spending in its first ten years.  Moreover, H.R. 3961 would permanently alter the SGR mechanism, and an independent analysis of official data conducted by former Medicare public trustee Tom Saving found that a permanent reversal of these current-law reductions, if not paid for by appropriate offsets in spending, would increase Medicare's unfunded obligations by nearly $2 trillion over a 75-year period.  Due to these significant concerns about rising deficits and higher federal spending, a bipartisan majority in the Senate recently rejected similar legislation (S. 1776) designed to increase physician payments over the next 10 years that did not include any offsetting spending reductions.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

buckethead


BridgeTroll

 :D  No doubt! :D  The point is there are rational reasons for opposing legislation even if you agree to the general principal of the legislation.  Both Acts clearly have legitimate and good points and when looked at all by themselves seem perfectly benign and helpful.  Both also have shortcomings.  Many times legislators vote against bills that they could or would ultimately support but for those shortcomings.  I... myself would have wanted Mica to vote for the Medicare act but understand why he did not.  That act... by itself... and in a vacume... is very supportable.  Put in context with the huge and complex "healthcare reform bill"  it becomes another unfunded mandate.

Fayes... "republicans hate firefighters and doctors" rhetoric is emotional and irrational.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."