Time Travel -- for real

[gatorback]

Did anybody catch this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html?_r=2&8dpc

[Jason]

I've read qite a few articles on this thing and still have no idea what they are really up to.  And time travel?  I'll believe it when I see it.

[Jason]

I'm just waiting to be convinced. 

My question is, how will they know that the particles traveled through time?  Do they disappear?  Come back? or were they simply vaporized or reduced to something so minute it is undetectable?

[Jason]

Whoa!  Brain overheating.... malfunction....    ::::smoking::::  ::::sizzle::::


I'll have to come back to that one in a bit! 

[fsu813]

"You might think that the appearance of this theory is further proof that people have had ample time â€" perhaps too much time â€" to think about what will come out of the collider, which has been 15 years and $9 billion in the making."

- we have a winner! they sound totally crazy. they are essentially blaming any malfunction on a version of agenda-driven time travel.

wha....there's a problem with the equipment? it must be a message from the past..err...future!

[Jason]

Honestly, I get the concept onf relative physics and the idea of tau particles makes sence.  Perceived distance and time between two separate entities moving at different speeds is understandable, even using basic physics.  However, I still don't see how it is possble for two different timeframes to interact with one another.

Sure, I understand that if we were to see a star disappear (burn out) from here on earth we are in effect looking at the "past" because it takes probably hundereds of years for the light to make it to earth.  But to think it would be possible to travel so fast that I could visit that star a day before it actually burned out and somehow prevent that from happening is unimaginable. 

I CAN see it to be possible that we may travel so fast as to prevent the inevitable.  A simple example would be to stand at one end of a football field and fire a gun at a target.  Then simply outrun the bullet to the target or even pluck it out of the air.  I may perceive that bullet to be standing still, depending on how fast I'm moving, but that doesn't mean I traveled through time.  I wouldn't be looking at myself on the sideline holding a gun in my hand while catching a bullet at the same time.  I would also have to avoid the possibility of actually colliding with something (a bug or someone else) in route to catch the bullet, which would likely be catastrophic.

What I'm perceiving is simply that, my perception.  There is no way possible for my physical actions to be interpreted by anything until they actually happen.  God is the only one with those abilities.

I could just go on and on....

[Jason]

With video conferencing you can see and interact with people in tokyo so close to real time that it is imperceptible to our human senses.  From Jacksonville you can communicate with and cause changes in Tokyo, even despite the real distance and the impossibility of doing so using just your natural abilities.

But even though I can interact with someone/thing over vast distances I can only do so in "real time", or as those interactions are happening (still with the limitations of the time it takes to bridge the gap).  I cannot communicate with Tokyo as it was yesterday, only now.

[gatorback]

Are they "totally crazy?"  Or does God Hate Higgs Particles?

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2009/10/13/does-god-hate-higgs-particles/

[Captain Zissou]

This reminds me of the movie The Moth-man Prophecies. 

In our current state we lack the tools to gain the perspective of seeing multiple times at once, as we used to be unable to see multiple locations at once. 

The concept of video surveillance probably boggled the minds of cave men too!!!

[Jason]

^ so are you calling me a caveman?    UGH!!

[gatorback]

Don't worry about it Jason...we can fix that later 

[urbanlibertarian]

Related thread:

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=6413.0;wap2

[fsu813]

related article:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/11/lhc.large.hadron.collider.beam/index.html

(CNN) -- Is the Large Hadron Collider being sabotaged from the future? Or merely by birds?

The LHC, the world's largest particle accelerator, has been under repair for more than a year because of an electrical failure in September 2008.

Now, excitement and mysticism are building again around the $10 billion machine as the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) gears up to circulate a high-energy proton beam around the collider's 17-mile tunnel. The event should take place this month, said Steve Myers, CERN's Director for Accelerators and Technology.

The collider made headlines last week when a bird apparently dropped a "bit of baguette" into the accelerator, making the machine shut down. The incident was similar in effect to a standard power cut, said spokeswoman Katie Yurkewicz. Had the machine been going, there would have been no damage, but beams would have been stopped until the machine could be cooled back down to operating temperatures, she said.

As it begins to run at full energy, greater than any machine of its kind, the LHC will help scientists explore important questions about the universe. The ambitious project also has attracted its share of doubters.

Some alarmists expressed fear last year that the accelerator could produce a black hole that might swallow the universe -- a theory that LHC physicists, including Myers, dismiss as science fiction.

Another fringe theory holds that the LHC will never function properly because it is under "influence from the future," according to physicists Holger Bech Nielsen and Masao Ninomiya. They suggest in recent papers that no supercolliders that could produce the Higgs boson, an as-yet-unseen particle that would help answer fundamental questions about matter in the universe, will work because something in the future stops them.

This also explains the "negative miracle" of Congress canceling the Superconducting Supercollider project in Texas in 1993, Nielsen wrote in a paper on arXiv.org, a site where math and science scholars post academic papers.

"One could even almost say that we have a model for God," one who "hates the Higgs particles," Nielsen wrote.

(continued at the link above)

[urbanlibertarian]

Now, thanks to Holger Bech Nielsen and Fred Phelps, we know of two things that God hates.

[chipwich]

If they can actually get it to work, Just imagine what scientists will be able to discover from this thing?  It would give a whole new meaning to everything we do in life by finding new ways to get atoms to interact with each other.

If they discover how atoms interact with each other, one day (very distant future) the world will hypothetically make any resource or element on an as needed basis.  Awesome!  Too bad none of us will probably be alive to see it.