Far tougher flight-time requirements for new pilots

[BridgeTroll]

   Embry Riddle is a corporate "slave master"??   You crack me up!  As it says in the article... the 1500 hours were a requirement for senior pilots.  Perhaps we now need legislation to require senior pilots 5000 hours.  The fault lies with a) the airline, and b) with the FAA... you know... a goverment beauracracy.

Pilot training was but one contributing factor in the crash...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124200193256505099.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407#cite_note-49

Mica did his job... and did it well...

[FayeforCure]

As it says in the article... the 1500 hours were a requirement for senior pilots.  Perhaps we now need legislation to require senior pilots 5000 hours.  The fault lies with a) the airline, and b) with the FAA... you know... a goverment beauracracy.


Mica did his job... and did it well...

Yeah sure, that FAA government bureaucracy has been given authority to waive the 1500 flight hour requiremeny, courtesy of John Mica.

John Mica is a sell-out for corporate needs, rather than protecting the safety of the flying public. Clear and simple.

As I said, thank goodness the Senate bill will have the FIRM and enforceable 1500 flight hour requirement.

Sneaking an industry protective measure in at the last minute after it's already gone through committee is your typical Washington shenanigans,............John Mica was just hoping nobody would notice that he had gutted the bill.

Well here is one constituent who is paying attention, and intent on holding elected officials accountable.

WE, the PEOPLE are the ones who should be protected by government.

[BridgeTroll]

He added a small compromise to a bill.  Smallllllllll.  Lets do the math Faye...

Old requirement... 250 hours
New requirement...250+250+250+250+250+250 minus a few hours to be determined by the FAA and replaced with classroom.

Stop the drama Faye... Compromise is part of politics... if you cannot find some way to get good legislation with out the drama you would not make a very good representative...

[Captain Zissou]

Faye, stop polluting the forum.  have you ever flown a plane? Do you know the first thing about aeronautics? The flight hour increase is a good thing. It was a tragic loss to the families, but I imagine Embry Riddle should be one of the most expert organizations on flight requirement whose  recommendation should be examined.  A six fold increase in training seems like over kill to me.  Stop using this forum for your personal attacks on Mica.

[Clem1029]

Faye, stop polluting the forum.  have you ever flown a plane? Do you know the first thing about aeronautics?

I dunno...maybe she took some classes and became our resident aeronautical expert.

[FayeforCure]

He added a small compromise to a bill.  Smallllllllll.  Lets do the math Faye...

Old requirement... 250 hours
New requirement...250+250+250+250+250+250 minus a few hours to be determined by the FAA and replaced with classroom.

What if the FAA decides to waive 1250 hours flight time. There is nothing in the legislation that would prohibit the FAA from doing so. Voila,....... you have meaningless legislation. John Mica effectively gutted the substance of this legislation.

This was a bad backstabbing move on Mica's part, and it would have been a bad move on anyone else's part too, but it was Mica who thumbed his nose at the safety of the flying public.

But then again, all you people want is Congressmen going through the motions without getting anything done.

Most of all no compromise was needed as the bill had already made its way out of committee. Mica weakened the bill after the fact, for no other reason than the pandering to a campaign contributor.

[BridgeTroll]

Here ya go Faye... another government agency you are so fond of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Aviation_Administration

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is an agency of the United States Department of Transportation with authority to regulate and oversee all aspects of civil aviation in the U.S.

What if the FAA decides to waive 1250 hours flight time.

My guess is that they could do it with or without Mica.  Face it Faye... this is just another pitiful attempt to attack Mica.  I can see the campaign ad now...

Cues up deep voice and dramatic music...Flashing pictures of air disasters..."John Mica is against training pilots... John Mica is against safety of our airlines.  Do you REALLY want John Mica in charge of our air safety??"

BTW... do you have proof Embry Riddle contributes to Mica's campaign??  Not that it really matters...

[FayeforCure]

Here ya go Faye... another government agency you are so fond of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Aviation_Administration

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is an agency of the United States Department of Transportation with authority to regulate and oversee all aspects of civil aviation in the U.S.

What if the FAA decides to waive 1250 hours flight time.

My guess is that they could do it with or without Mica.  Face it Faye... this is just another pitiful attempt to attack Mica.  I can see the campaign ad now...

Cues up deep voice and dramatic music...Flashing pictures of air disasters..."John Mica is against training pilots... John Mica is against safety of our airlines.  Do you REALLY want John Mica in charge of our air safety??"

BTW... do you have proof Embry Riddle contributes to Mica's campaign??  Not that it really matters...

Very cute tv commercial!!

On your first point,....... we clearly need civics classes in our schools again:

When the "lawmakers" put in a 1500 flight hour requirement, and the President signs it into law, it would be a violation to allow less than 1500 flight hours to be certified for work. Nothing the FAA could do, but follow the law.

What John Mica did, was give the FAA leeway to waive the requirement altogether. Hence a completely meaningless law if signed in it;s current form. Luckily, the Senate bill will not allow the 1500 flight hour requirement to be waived, and when the House and Senate bills come together, I'm sure Mica's silly insertion will be removed, prior to Obama signing it into law.

[CS Foltz]

I have a really simple solution.......don't fly! Take rail! End of discussion!

[BridgeTroll]

   No doubt... why allow leeway to... an agency of the United States Department of Transportation with authority to regulate and oversee all aspects of civil aviation in the U.S.

How silly!

Additionally... Appaerntly this is all a big to do about nothing.

Luckily, the Senate bill will not allow the 1500 flight hour requirement to be waived, and when the House and Senate bills come together, I'm sure Mica's silly insertion will be removed, prior to Obama signing it into law.

Proving again... Faye... that ALL this is... is a petty little attempt to run a negative campaign ad on MetroJax...

[FayeforCure]

 No doubt... why allow leeway to... an agency of the United States Department of Transportation with authority to regulate and oversee all aspects of civil aviation in the U.S.

They only have as much authority as is given to them by law.

If the law does not allow them to waive the 1500 flight hour requirement, the FAA will not be able to waive it.

That is what worried John Mica sufficiently, to insert language to give FAA full authority to waive any new flight hour requirement.

Forums are to provide readers with info. If you don't like my info, don't read it.

Traditional media is often not effective in uncovering these kind of shenanigans and I'm sure the flying public would want to know.

[BridgeTroll]

It is Drama and a campaign ad... pure and simple.  Where is your venom towards... Rep. Jerry F. Costello, an Illinois Democrat who negotiated the compromise?  He is the Chairman of the committee.  HE is the one you should be angry with...

You know... cue music... deep voice... pictures......"Rep. Jerry F. Costello is against training pilots... Rep. Jerry F. Costello is against safety of our airlines.  Do you REALLY want Rep. Jerry F. Costello in charge of our air safety??"

[FayeforCure]

It is Drama and a campaign ad... pure and simple.  Where is your venom towards... Rep. Jerry F. Costello, an Illinois Democrat who negotiated the compromise?  He is the Chairman of the committee.  HE is the one you should be angry with...

Costello did not insert this poison pill language into the bill. For all we know he did not agree with this misnomer of a "compromise," where absolutely no so-called compromise was necessary. Remember the bill had already passed committee.

[BridgeTroll]

So this is wrong then??

Negotiations with Rep. Jerry F. Costello, an Illinois Democrat and chairman of the aviation subcommittee, produced the compromise, which allows the head of the Federal Aviation Administration to decide how much classroom time can be counted as flight time under the 1,500-hour requirement. The classroom time would have to "enhance safety more" than would additional hours in the cockpit, the insertion says.

http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/827122.html

[FayeforCure]

I have a really simple solution.......don't fly! Take rail! End of discussion!

I agree. Don't fly within the US. Ride the train instead!!

Do your share in reducing your carbon footprint.