The I-95 Overland Bridge Project

[BridgeTroll]

I think that photo is mismarked... I asked the same question in post #2 of this thread.

[Charles Hunter]

That's not the crossing at Prudential or San Marco, but the one on Gary, by the Eye Institute.  Right now, after you cross that crossing, Gary goes to a dead end at a previously closed crossing, so it is just serving a vacant lot.

[Lunican]

I realized I have a couple photos of the I-95 Overland Bridge as it stands today.

[Charles Hunter]

Wow! Look at all the transportation modes in that picture: cars, semis, JTA buses, FEC train, the Skyway (station).

Nice pictures, Lunican.

[thelakelander]

That's a nice picture for someone promoting the establishment of a multi modal transportation network.

[stjr]

Uuumm... looking at this picture, can someone explain to me again how the $ky-high-way makes it to Atlantic and FEC or anywhere else on the southern side of I-95.  Aside from a roller coaster dip to duck under I-95, it looks like the new hotels might have taken care of any further advancement unless someone plans to spend millions for a wacky end run. (Is the $ky-high-way supposed to squeeze between the hotels and the garage?)  

Why did they build this station in the spot it's in?  It looks like it's disconnected from everything around it - streets and their side walks, the garage (that's quite a nice walk from the car), the front facings of buildings.... Aside from some ardent riders coming from the garage, who else is using this station?

Is this the model for any proposed expansion?  Boy, that will inspire confidence.

Just wanted to stir things up a little before bed time.  Pleasant dreams.

[reednavy]

The space behind the hotel building and the garage was left as wide as it is for the future plans of extending the Skywaste beyond the property.

[Keith-N-Jax]

That is a nice pic!!

[Ocklawaha]

STJR, REALLY? This is your Feint! Parry! Riposte!

The Skyway will go under the bridge the same way any other vehicle would, "IT WILL ROLL". BTW, that FEC train is the very reason why the Skyway to the west side of those tracks in San Marco at Atlantic will double, or tripple the ridership.That Skyway will be a hell of a lot cheaper to take over that track then one of the arterial roads.

OCKLAWAHA

[thelakelander]

This is actually a nice shot for showing how the skyway can be extended to Atlantic.  The entire path can be seen.

[stjr]

This is actually a nice shot for showing how the skyway can be extended to Atlantic.  The entire path can be seen.

I drove down Kings Road tonight for a look-see.

For starters, it appears to me they will have to tear down the million dollar elevated walkway from the garage to extend the track (but what's a million here or there for our beloved $ky-high-way?).  Do they build another station a few feet south of the present one to maintain access from the garage and the hotels? And, what would it have cost at the time, since it's supposed to be just a "roll" away, to have built the station at the garage on Day 1?

Going south from there, they will have to put a number of piers in a large retention pond after passing between the garage and hotel buildings.

A turn down Kings Road means either closing a lane to provide for piers, straddling the 4 lane road with giant supports, or acquiring quite a bit of right of way from the parking lots of all the businesses along the way (likely putting many of them out of business and killing off another street).

And, where is the end point?  If the idea is to connect with the FEC RR at Kings Road and Atlantic, this is blocks away from the FEC tracks.  So, does that put the endpoint on Kings Road?  Where is the "interconnect" with FEC supposed to be?  And, who loses their property to make it happen?  It looks like other than businesses directly on Kings Road, it's mostly residential to the RR.  Also, a station anywhere along Kings Road is hardly a walkable distance from San Marco shopping for most people (not to mention having to WALK over the FEC tracks along the way) .  So, don't get any big ideas about riding from Riverside (more like Brooklyn) into the heart of San Marco for a quick bite.

Ock and Lake, fill us in.  It's another $ky-high-way mystery to me.

I think $ky-high-way proponents need to put their textbooks down and go check out how people actually operate in the real world.  I don't see many of their expectations for traffic being met by everyday humans.

[Overstreet]

Wait, they're closing the FEC crossing beneath I95 by Baptist?  I don't get it.

It is a little used crossing on a dead end road. Road runs parrellel to the I-95.  It gets over come by the addition of the south bound lane. That I-95 lane, in this area, is elevated on dirt with retaining wall etc.  The road serves some property owned by BMC, FEC and DOT. All will likely become a retention pond.

At my last discussion with FDOT they don't have the money approved yet so construction will likely be delayed. 

They also have some neighborhood complaints about the reduction of parking under the I-95 at Hendricks and deletion of south bound exit to Hendricks. 

[Jason]

Thanks for the info Overstreet!

Lunican, are those shots from San Marco Place?

[Lunican]

They are from the Peninsula.

[Ocklawaha]

This is actually a nice shot for showing how the skyway can be extended to Atlantic.  The entire path can be seen.

I drove down Kings Road tonight for a look-see.

For starters, it appears to me they will have to tear down the million dollar elevated walkway from the garage to extend the track (but what's a million here or there for our beloved $ky-high-way?).  Do they build another station a few feet south of the present one to maintain access from the garage and the hotels? And, what would it have cost at the time, since it's supposed to be just a "roll" away, to have built the station at the garage on Day 1?

Going south from there, they will have to put a number of piers in a large retention pond after passing between the garage and hotel buildings.

A turn down Kings Road means either closing a lane to provide for piers, straddling the 4 lane road with giant supports, or acquiring quite a bit of right of way from the parking lots of all the businesses along the way (likely putting many of them out of business and killing off another street).

And, where is the end point?  If the idea is to connect with the FEC RR at Kings Road and Atlantic, this is blocks away from the FEC tracks.  So, does that put the endpoint on Kings Road?  Where is the "interconnect" with FEC supposed to be?  And, who loses their property to make it happen?  It looks like other than businesses directly on Kings Road, it's mostly residential to the RR.  Also, a station anywhere along Kings Road is hardly a walkable distance from San Marco shopping for most people (not to mention having to WALK over the FEC tracks along the way) .  So, don't get any big ideas about riding from Riverside (more like Brooklyn) into the heart of San Marco for a quick bite.

Ock and Lake, fill us in.  It's another $ky-high-way mystery to me.

I think $ky-high-way proponents need to put their textbooks down and go check out how people actually operate in the real world.  I don't see many of their expectations for traffic being met by everyday humans.

Against my better judgement, as I fully expect another bucket of dirt in exchange for my thoughts. I will once again answer your questions. The images say it all. The MetroJacksonville map is from a rough image I drew on the JEDC site for MJ and my transit blog. As you can see there would be absolutely ZERO street running. Leaving the hotel it passes over the JEA facility, (yes there is RofW), to the west of the FEC, hence south to the blvd.

The two station renderings are thus: A very rough sketch of a layout for Atlantic at the FEC in San Marco, as well as a more refined rendering showing how the station would look from the old High School track, facing Southeast.









OCKLAWAHA