SOME good election news: Fla. Marriage Amendment Winning by Large Margin

Started by Driven1, November 04, 2008, 10:01:10 PM

RiversideGator

Quote from: jbm32206 on November 04, 2008, 10:08:04 PM
Funny as that may sound.....it's actually true, because this will impact such relationships

This is false.  There is no legal recognition for male-female non-married domestic partnerships in Florida either.

Driven1


gradco2004

Bitter-sweet day. This amendment not only said that marriage should be only between a man and a woman, but that nothing else similar to it will be honored.

The pride that comes along with literally ruining people's lives and security is the most smug pile of dog shit I have ever come across.

This is why people don't can't have pride in, or faith in America. Everything is not possible in America. PERIOD.

uptowngirl

"The pride that comes along with literally ruining people's lives and security is the most smug pile of dog shit I have ever come across."


Some feel the same way about Obama's too....

That being said the Dems really let down the people they "supposedly" represent yet again.... they came out in droves to vote for Obama, but voted for #2???!!!

I would like to see this come back, but this time take the Christians (libs and Conservatives) out of it and make it for equal legal rights and protections for partners and leave marriage out of it. It may not be the whole deal, but it is a start!

jbm32206

I couldn't agree more, in that it should (and hopefully will) come back before the people, leaving marriage out of it and just have it where it's understood that it's intended to ensure equal/legal rights for all.

uptowngirl

Quote from: jbm32206 on November 05, 2008, 07:23:38 AM
I couldn't agree more, in that it should (and hopefully will) come back before the people, leaving marriage out of it and just have it where it's understood that it's intended to ensure equal/legal rights for all.

I think this would pass, and be a stepping stone.

jbm32206

true that. I just feel that it was made into a religious fight and it never should've been.

tufsu1

Quote from: Driven1 on November 04, 2008, 10:27:07 PM
I voted for the amendment because MARRIAGE is quite simply defined as being between one man and one woman.  It always has been and always should be.  Marriage is the bedrock of our reproducing society.

If two people of any gender want certain rights associated with that of a married couple, that is fine by me.  I will vote FOR such a proposal. 

But I will always vote to protect marriage - and obviously there is a pretty large majority that feel the same as I do.

well then you apparently didn't read the ammendment language very closely...not only did it expressly state what marriage is, it also stated that nothing else could be considered as its equivalent.

Driven1


Isn’t homosexual marriage already illegal in Florida?


Florida has a Defense of Marriage Act.  However, a YES vote on Amendment 2 prevents homosexual activists and liberal judges from legalizing homosexual marriage by striking down Florida’s state marriage law like they did in Massachusetts and in California. The people-- not judges should decide how marriage will be defined.

Isn’t a ban on gay marriage like bans on interracial marriage?

Bans on interracial marriage were about keeping two races apart so that one race could oppress the other. Marriage is about bringing two sexes together, so that children get the unique love and nurture of both a mom and a dad. Having a parent of two different races is just not the same as being deprived of your motherâ€"or your father.  Race and ethnicity are not inherent properties of marriage.  Gender on the other hand is an inherent property of marriage. 

What would be the harm of allowing gay marriage? How can “Adam and Steve” hurt your marriage?

The real question is how will same-sex marriage affect all of society? No society ancient or modern has ever sustained itself with a buffet like mentality when it comes to marriage and family. Same-sex marriage will subject children to a vast untested social experiment. A loving and civilized society always comes to the aid of fatherless and motherless families.  But a loving and civilized society never intentionally creates fatherless and motherless families as a matter of law and public policy.

uptowngirl

Quote from: stephendare on November 05, 2008, 11:03:51 AM
Times change.

This too shall pass.

Its sad to see the hatred and intolerance in our society, but its what gives us a reason to work for a better future.

What is the difference between this (taking away someone's right to marry) and electing Obama (taking away peoples hard earned money)? I mean Obama gave an artificial cut off for the "rich" and Flordia gave an artificial cut off for what marriage means....

Driven1

Quote from: stephendare on November 05, 2008, 11:03:51 AM
Its sad to see the hatred and intolerance in our society

This line of "hatred and intolerance" did not work this time.  Large, widespread defeat of Amendment 2.  If I was on the other side of this issue, next time I would try a different strategy than attacking the voters and telling them how hateful and intolerant they are.

uptowngirl

Quote from: stephendare on November 05, 2008, 11:08:18 AM
Uptown girl.  Do you have a photo of Obama burglarizing your house?  It would greatly aid in the investigation of all this money that he's apparently stolen from you.

When did it happen again?

And btw, what about the guys who just carjacked you and burned your banks down?

Any idea what to do with them?  Are you at least going to ask them to move out of your house?

LOL... we shall see Stephen we shall see....


btw, I don't blame Obama, I blame the people who voted against Bush to elect him.

JaxByDefault

Remember that Amendment 2 needed 60% to pass. It received 62%. Whether or not it was a decisive vote against same-sex marriage is all in how one represents the statistics.

The amendment legally accomplishes very little that was not already covered by legislative (DOMA) acts, but socially is a needless (and embarrassing) constitutional enshrinement of discrimination. It was primarily "ballot bait."

For all state constitutional amendments, voter education is sorely lacking. Few voters can adequately articulate their potential legal impacts.

Driven1

And this occurred to me just now.  To all the gays who want "marriage".  WHY?  Consider yourself lucky...you now have the SAME RIGHTs and you aren't missing out on too much except for a whole host of marriage tax penalties.  ;)

Driven1

Quote from: JaxByDefault on November 05, 2008, 03:09:54 PM
For all state constitutional amendments, voter education is sorely lacking. Few voters can adequately articulate their potential legal impacts.

How about putting the spotlight on the lawyers who like to wrap words around themselves so that the average voter sits there scratching their head for 5 minutes before voting.