No new coal plants?

[uptowngirl]

What does this mena to Jacksonville, aren't we building a new coal plant? What will happen to the money spent? What will happen to our bills? What will happen to the jobs in Jacksonville associated with this?

http://www.wvrecord.com/news/215679-coal-official-calls-obama-comments-unbelievable

Coal official calls Obama comments 'unbelievable'


You Tube sound track:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

I was the first to call for a 100 percent auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter," Obama continued. "That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."

[thelakelander]

This was a quote taken out of context.  The topic discussed as about dirty coal vs. clean coal technology.

Btw, big industrial polluters should be charged for their negative impact on the natural environment.  Perhaps this will get them to change their ways.  Imagine if JEA and the pulp mills cared a little more about our local waterways?  There's a good chance the river would not be having bouts with turning into a green stinking mess.

As for Jax, make it a clean coal power plant or look at more environmentally friendly ways to produce energy.  All of these options stimulate jobs.

[uptowngirl]

I agree that we need to be more concerned with what is happening in our environment, but I also am concerned about my sky high JEA bills already. Why can;t the government step in and make solar power more affordable? I would love to "solarize" my houses, but at 120K a pop I just can't afford it. To take away a viable affordable option, without an affordable viable alternative seems a little crazy to me. (But I will admit I am not expert in coal vs. clean coal)

[Jason]

JEA's proposed plant is natural gas, not coal.  Much cleaner, however, much more expensive.  I don't see power rates going down anytime soon.  IMO, The only way our rates will go down is if the feds move forward with nuclear power or some serious incentives for user-based solar.

[civil42806]

This was a quote taken out of context.  The topic discussed as about dirty coal vs. clean coal technology.

Btw, big industrial polluters should be charged for their negative impact on the natural environment.  Perhaps this will get them to change their ways.  Imagine if JEA and the pulp mills cared a little more about our local waterways?  There's a good chance the river would not be having bouts with turning into a green stinking mess.

As for Jax, make it a clean coal power plant or look at more environmentally friendly ways to produce energy.  All of these options stimulate jobs.

Are there any pulp mills left in jacksonville?

[thelakelander]

While dirty industrial processes may be looked at as "affordable" for specific products, their poisonous byproducts negate that affordability if we have to clean up after the mess or our health is impacted by it.

At this point alternative energy sources and the environment have not become a priority of the government.  Obama promises change if he wins, but who knows if he'll be able to pull it off?  However, I must say I have not heard anyone talking about taking away viable "affordable" options without having viable feasible solutions already in place.  I agree, that sounds pretty crazy if that's the plan.  

[thelakelander]

Are there any pulp mills left in jacksonville?

There's one off Heckscher Drive.  There's also a large mill in Palatka and two in Nassau County.

[uptowngirl]

Thanks for the information Lake and Jason, like I said I ma not real up to speed on the differences, and for some reason I thought the new plant JEA was building was coal, at least I saw a bunch of pics of coal and mining in the JEA thread so maybe that is why I thought it was coal 

[Bostech]

I agree that we need to be more concerned with what is happening in our environment, but I also am concerned about my sky high JEA bills already. Why can;t the government step in and make solar power more affordable? I would love to "solarize" my houses, but at 120K a pop I just can't afford it. To take away a viable affordable option, without an affordable viable alternative seems a little crazy to me. (But I will admit I am not expert in coal vs. clean coal)

Solar water heater runs about $4500 and whole house could be done for about 25-30K depending on size.
I don't know where you get 120K unless you own Playboy mansion.


http://www.jea.com/community/conservcenter/business/solar.asp

[uptowngirl]

I have priced it, and for of the grid, a small house starts at 60K.

[Lunican]

If you pay attention to the things that are wasting electricity in your house you could probably cut your electric bill significantly.

[Driven1]

JEA's proposed plant is natural gas, not coal.  Much cleaner, however, much more expensive.  I don't see power rates going down anytime soon.  IMO, The only way our rates will go down is if the feds move forward with nuclear power or some serious incentives for user-based solar.

good information and i agree with your analysis of the future and prospective solutions Jason (well - along with wind-power as well)

[Driven1]

I have priced it, and for of the grid, a small house starts at 60K.

Which would take about twenty years to recoup the cost. 

I could see spending $12k-$15k---> but no way would I spend $60k.

[BridgeTroll]

I have priced it, and for of the grid, a small house starts at 60K.

Which would take about twenty years to recoup the cost. 

I could see spending $12k-$15k---> but no way would I spend $60k.

Here ya go UTG and Driven... Give it a shot!  There are many variables...

http://findsolar.com/index.php?page=rightforme

[BridgeTroll]

This is the link to the entire thread...

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,2913.0.html