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Will Russia invade Ukraine?

Started by BridgeTroll, January 14, 2022, 12:53:36 PM

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BridgeTroll

#45
February 21, 2022, 06:23:33 PM Last Edit: February 21, 2022, 06:30:15 PM by BridgeTroll
Lol... completely unlike what we are seeing at home.  Get a grip...

Because DeSantis is invading Georgia?  Threatening Alabama?  Shelling Atlanta?

Is he controlling your dissent?  Is DeSantis state controlled propaganda the only thing available?  Get a frickin grip.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#46
February 21, 2022, 08:49:14 PM
Please restrict your comments on this thread to the Ukraine crisis.   Thank you. 
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

acme54321

#47
February 22, 2022, 06:11:07 AM
I guess this isn't a question anymore

BridgeTroll

#48
February 22, 2022, 06:55:33 AM
Quote from: acme54321 on February 22, 2022, 06:11:07 AM
I guess this isn't a question anymore
True... but I answered the question affirmative on January 14...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Snaketoz

#49
February 22, 2022, 08:36:05 AM
As I said earlier, "the first casualty in any conflict is the truth".
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot."

MusicMan

#50
February 22, 2022, 08:52:19 AM
The weakness of the West showing loud and clear, unfortunately.  Had Germany, France the UK and USA stationed 25,000 peacekeepers each on the border (plus our carrier attack group that's looming over there) there would be no threat from Russia. Putin is a bully. He's only interested because no one is pushing back. Sanctions don't hurt Putin and the Oligarchs, they've stockpiled enough caviar and champagne to last 10 years. 

Putting in 100,000 peacekeepers would have also been a perfect way to get Ukraine to negotiate with NATO.  I think a huge missed opportunity for Biden here. He could have led the showdown against Putin, and no way Putin would cross that border with 100,000 well equipped and trained forces opposing him.   

BridgeTroll

#51
February 22, 2022, 09:19:30 AM
I'm going to try to be more specific. Europe is showing a weakness of will... not capability. The Euro's should be out in front of this... not the US...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

jaxoNOLE

#52
February 23, 2022, 11:25:06 PM
Another historical quote:

"The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years."

Adam White

#53
February 24, 2022, 05:47:19 AM
Quote from: jaxoNOLE on February 23, 2022, 11:25:06 PM
Another historical quote:

"The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years."

The Cold War never ended. And what's happening in Ukraine is terrible. But let's not kid ourselves - this is the sort of thing that Great Powers do. They make up lies as a pretext for doing what they wanted to. They don't let anything stand in the way. Before we get too self-righteous about it, we have to remember that we did the same thing in Iraq about 20 years ago. We used lies and deception to provide a thin 'justification' for an illegal invasion and war. In fact, Ukraine contributed to our war effort.

So ordinary people will continue to suffer because of decisions made in Moscow, Washington, Beijing, London, Paris, etc.
"If you're going to play it out of tune, then play it out of tune properly."

BridgeTroll

#54
February 24, 2022, 06:05:44 AM
Sorry Adam... HUGE difference.   Ukraine was a peaceful democracy not a dictator exporting terrorism. Ukraine has not invaded its neighbors nor has it committed constant genocide against its citizens... comparisons between the two countries is absurd and frankly bizarre...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Adam White

#55
February 24, 2022, 07:15:32 AM Last Edit: February 24, 2022, 07:19:53 AM by Adam White
Quote from: BridgeTroll on February 24, 2022, 06:05:44 AM
Sorry Adam... HUGE difference.   Ukraine was a peaceful democracy not a dictator exporting terrorism. Ukraine has not invaded its neighbors nor has it committed constant genocide against its citizens... comparisons between the two countries is absurd and frankly bizarre...

The US invasion of Iraq was predicated on so-called 'weapons of mass destruction' that had been supplied to him by the USA and had been destroyed already. And false connections between Hussein and Al-Qaeda. Those were lies. The fact that Hussein was a brutal dictator would not have been enough to get the resolution passed (as we had propped him up for decades). But I'll not bother holding my breath, waiting for you to lobby for a US invasion of Saudi Arabia.

And Iraq's invasion of its neighbour was dealt with in the 90s - Iraq hadn't invaded anyone since the first Gulf War.

Deliberate lies also led to the 1991 war. As well as Vietnam. And the USA is always very willing to use force against countries it views as in its 'sphere of influence' whenever they don't toe the line - Guatemala, Cuba, Grenada, Panama, etc. We're as bad as Russia.

In any event, you will always stick up for aggression, as long as it is the USA doing it. And people like you are going to be the death of us all.
"If you're going to play it out of tune, then play it out of tune properly."

BridgeTroll

#56
February 24, 2022, 07:22:51 AM
In any event, Adam... you will always stick up for dictators and communists... And people like you are going to be the death of us all.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#57
February 24, 2022, 07:28:11 AM
The entire world is condemning Putin except China, North Korea,... and Adam....
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Adam White

#58
February 24, 2022, 07:30:35 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on February 24, 2022, 07:22:51 AM
In any event, Adam... you will always stick up for dictators and communists... And people like you are going to be the death of us all.

I don't stick up for dictators or 'communists'. In fact, I have stated I oppose this invasion. But reading and logic were never your strong suit.
"If you're going to play it out of tune, then play it out of tune properly."

Adam White

#59
February 24, 2022, 07:33:13 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on February 24, 2022, 07:28:11 AM
The entire world is condemning Putin except China, North Korea,... and Adam....

That's a lie. Go back a few posts and read again. Or maybe go back to school.
"If you're going to play it out of tune, then play it out of tune properly."
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