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Will Russia invade Ukraine?

Started by BridgeTroll, January 14, 2022, 12:53:36 PM

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acme54321

#90
February 27, 2022, 07:06:25 PM Last Edit: February 27, 2022, 07:08:32 PM by acme54321
Quote from: BridgeTroll on February 27, 2022, 07:51:44 AM
Quote from: acme54321 on February 26, 2022, 11:26:32 PM
All I know is for the sake of our city in particular, I pray this thing doesn't spill out of Ukraine.
Ships from Mayport, and aircraft from NAS are mixing it up with the Russians all around the periphery of this  conflict...

Im more concerned with the potential of WW3.  We are no longer so isolated globally that attack on US soil would be a real and definite possibility.  There are three very high profile targets within a quick drive of downtown.

BridgeTroll

#91
February 28, 2022, 08:17:17 AM
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

vicupstate

#92
February 28, 2022, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: fsu813 on February 26, 2022, 06:35:08 PM
Quote from: MusicMan on February 26, 2022, 05:44:13 PM
I'm more convinced than ever Trump would have endorsed this move by Putin. He idolizes the guy.

Likely not endorsed, but equivacated. Much like he did with the Saudi murder of the Washington Post journalist.

There was a book out last year that wrote that Trump privately indicated that he would seek to withdraw from NATO and the blow up the U.S. alliance with South Korea if he was re-elected. 

https://www.amazon.com/Alone-Can-Fix-Donald-Catastrophic/dp/0593298942



 
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BridgeTroll

#93
February 28, 2022, 01:17:42 PM
Quote from: vicupstate on February 28, 2022, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: fsu813 on February 26, 2022, 06:35:08 PM
Quote from: MusicMan on February 26, 2022, 05:44:13 PM
I'm more convinced than ever Trump would have endorsed this move by Putin. He idolizes the guy.

Likely not endorsed, but equivacated. Much like he did with the Saudi murder of the Washington Post journalist.

There was a book out last year that wrote that Trump privately indicated that he would seek to withdraw from NATO and the blow up the U.S. alliance with South Korea if he was re-elected. 

https://www.amazon.com/Alone-Can-Fix-Donald-Catastrophic/dp/0593298942



 

To be very clear... Trump is a clueless moron. But up until a week ago most NATO nations were not contributing anywhere near their responsibility. Germany was the worst offender. Apparently Putin has fixed NATO impotence in one gigantic miscalculation...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Tacachale

#94
February 28, 2022, 02:01:57 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on February 28, 2022, 01:17:42 PM
Quote from: vicupstate on February 28, 2022, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: fsu813 on February 26, 2022, 06:35:08 PM
Quote from: MusicMan on February 26, 2022, 05:44:13 PM
I'm more convinced than ever Trump would have endorsed this move by Putin. He idolizes the guy.

Likely not endorsed, but equivacated. Much like he did with the Saudi murder of the Washington Post journalist.

There was a book out last year that wrote that Trump privately indicated that he would seek to withdraw from NATO and the blow up the U.S. alliance with South Korea if he was re-elected. 

https://www.amazon.com/Alone-Can-Fix-Donald-Catastrophic/dp/0593298942



 

To be very clear... Trump is a clueless moron. But up until a week ago most NATO nations were not contributing anywhere near their responsibility. Germany was the worst offender. Apparently Putin has fixed NATO impotence in one gigantic miscalculation...

This is a great point. Most of Europe was flagging on their NATO contributions, putting more on the U.S. They've really stepped up in less than a week. Condi Rice the other day said NATO has been reunited in a way she didn't think she'd see again after the collapse of the USSR. I have no clue what Putin was thinking, but if he really believes NATO is a threat to him, he's just made it a hell of a lot more serious.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

vicupstate

#95
February 28, 2022, 03:02:22 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on February 28, 2022, 01:17:42 PM
Quote from: vicupstate on February 28, 2022, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: fsu813 on February 26, 2022, 06:35:08 PM
Quote from: MusicMan on February 26, 2022, 05:44:13 PM
I'm more convinced than ever Trump would have endorsed this move by Putin. He idolizes the guy.

Likely not endorsed, but equivacated. Much like he did with the Saudi murder of the Washington Post journalist.

There was a book out last year that wrote that Trump privately indicated that he would seek to withdraw from NATO and the blow up the U.S. alliance with South Korea if he was re-elected. 

https://www.amazon.com/Alone-Can-Fix-Donald-Catastrophic/dp/0593298942



 

To be very clear... Trump is a clueless moron. But up until a week ago most NATO nations were not contributing anywhere near their responsibility. Germany was the worst offender. Apparently Putin has fixed NATO impotence in one gigantic miscalculation...

To be very clear... Trump is a clueless moron and a Russian asset.

FIFY
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BridgeTroll

#96
March 01, 2022, 07:26:37 AM
Nearly all news has focused on the land engagement... here is a good briefing on Black sea naval actions...

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/02/russia-ukraine-conflict-what-happened-in-the-black-sea-so-far/
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#97
March 01, 2022, 08:18:08 AM
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#99
March 04, 2022, 04:27:51 PM
Soooo... we have all been watching the events unfold in Europe. My question to you all is... Are we/NATO/the world doing enough to help the Ukrainians?  Not in favor of the no fly zone.... But are the sanctions enough?  Are we punishing the oligarchs enough?  Ukrainian politicians seem to believe we are holding back some of the more effective sanction options because they hurt the west too much.... Hoping for a Putin assassination...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Charles Hunter

#100
March 04, 2022, 04:52:12 PM
The US is (unless it changed in the last few minutes) holding back on cutting off purchases of Soviet Russian petroleum. The reason given is to protect US consumers from even higher retail gas prices (and the ripple effect in the supply chain). Which, although some in the opposition party are screaming for more sanctions, would use "higher gas prices" in the upcoming elections.

Why are you against the No-Fly zone? Because they are not enforceable without escalating the conflict, and putting NATO and possibly the US, in a direct shooting war with Russia?

I'm not sure what we should be doing on sanctions, in part because I don't know how extensive we are leaning on the oligarchs. I think we are trying to increase the pressure in a step-wise manner. But, after the Russians attacked and seized a nuclear power plant, we should probably "go nuke" on the oligarchs and seize all of their assets.

And you have good hopes.

BridgeTroll

#101
March 05, 2022, 06:44:36 AM
Well... you answered the no fly zone question. It will lead to escalation... although things may be heading in that direction regardless. I do think however that we shouldn't withhold sanctions to protect our wallets
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

MusicMan

#102
March 05, 2022, 10:43:32 AM
I can only assume that if Russia moves on to attack a NATO member, THEN we will have an all out "shooting war" in Europe?

I don't think it's a stretch to say that if given 48 hours, a large contingent of US/NATO fighters, bombers, and A-10 Warthogs could pretty much destroy every moving thing Russia has within the borders of Ukraine.

Snaketoz

#103
March 05, 2022, 12:19:41 PM
I think the current strategy of not enforcing a "no fly zone" is the correct one.  The Ukraine is not a NATO member and trying to enforce a "no fly zone" there would only provoke an all out war.  It's sad to see the suffering and destruction Putin is inflicting, but an all out war would probably end the world as we know it.  We need to continue supplying Ukraine with weapons, food, and medical supplies.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot."

BridgeTroll

#104
March 05, 2022, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: MusicMan on March 05, 2022, 10:43:32 AM
I can only assume that if Russia moves on to attack a NATO member, THEN we will have an all out "shooting war" in Europe?

I don't think it's a stretch to say that if given 48 hours, a large contingent of US/NATO fighters, bombers, and A-10 Warthogs could pretty much destroy every moving thing Russia has within the borders of Ukraine.

And what do you think Putins reaction to that would be?
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."
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