DeSantis Promoting Thought Police

[BridgeTroll]

No need to read further than Desatan and duhsantis... name calling is pathetic and clearly comes from a position of weakness...

Please continue... 

Sorry, not sorry.

The man is dangerous and is destroying a country many gave their lives to create. I am not going to treat a tyrant with respect.   

Vicks response is expected... glad to see civil discussion. I knew you kids could do it...

[BridgeTroll]

It's a survey...  Sooooo.... you don't want students and faculty to anonymously answer questions about their freedom to teach and express viewpoints?  I certainly do not see any Chinese or soviet style enforcement ...except maybe by you guys who do not want students and faculty to anonymously answer to what may or may not be happening on campus.  Just who is silencing who...?

The bill says the annual surveys would assess "intellectual freedom and viewpoint diversity" and determine "the extent to which competing ideas and perspectives are presented" and whether students, professors, and staffers "feel free to express their beliefs and viewpoints on campus and in the classroom."

[BridgeTroll]

Here is some actual survey data from Britain and the US... perhaps this is what gave DeSantis the idea...

https://cspicenter.org/reports/academicfreedom/#

[bl8jaxnative]

Man o man, crazy stuff.  This is the sort of slippery slope that leads to bad things.  Next thing we know the Feds are going to passing legislation mandating you answer questions about your race, relationships and religion.    Hell, they may even get extra crazy and make it illegal to not answer and make it illegal to lie!


dios mio.   we're doooooooooooooooooooomed.

[MusicMan]

Pretty sure he won in a landslide of historic proportions.........................

[Charles Hunter]

Here's a longer quote from the linked article

DeSantis, a potential 2024 presidential contender who's closely aligned with former President Donald Trump, threatened to cut funding from state universities that he determines don't promote "intellectual diversity."

During a press conference at a middle school in Fort Myers, the governor said campuses that are "hotbeds for stale ideology" were "not worth tax dollars, and that's not something that we're going to be supporting going forward."

The bill says the annual surveys would assess "intellectual freedom and viewpoint diversity" and determine "the extent to which competing ideas and perspectives are presented" and whether students, professors, and staffers "feel free to express their beliefs and viewpoints on campus and in the classroom."

The law, effective July 1, demands that students "be shown diverse ideas and opinions, including those that they may disagree with or find uncomfortable," the state's Department of Education said.

Yes, it appears to be an anonymous survey, so the DOE won't know if Professor X is "indoctrinating students." But, the statements made by the Governor when signing the law change this from a benign survey of faculty and students to a tool to punish schools that do not adhere to his worldview - campuses that are "hotbeds for stale ideology" were "not worth tax dollars, and that's not something that we're going to be supporting going forward."

Will the Legislature and DOE actually abide by the intent of the law, that students "be shown diverse ideas and opinions, including those that they may disagree with or find uncomfortable,"? Will campuses or departments that the survey says are indoctrinating students with right-wing ideologies face funding reductions or other sanctions?

[BridgeTroll]

Hmm... if tax dollars fund public universities and tax dollars come from the general public perhaps they should have a small amount of input regarding what is taught?

Just askin...

[MusicMan]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/desantis-signs-bill-requiring-florida-students-professors-to-register-political-views-with-state/ar-AALn30q?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBnbfcL


DeSantis more like Trump every day....gonna do whatever he wants until somebody sues to stop him.   


From article:
""It used to be thought that a university campus was a place where you'd be exposed to a lot of different ideas," DeSantis said at a press conference following the bill signing. "Unfortunately, now the norm is, these are more intellectually repressive environments. You have orthodoxies that are promoted, and other viewpoints are shunned or even suppressed."   

How would he know, he spends no time in classrooms.



"Republicans have long held that universities promote left-wing ideologies and discriminate against conservative students and staff."

They also believe the 2020 election was stolen, and the Jan 6 storming of the Capitol was fun and games. It's a political party looking for answers to questions that don't exist.

[Adam White]

Here's a longer quote from the linked article

DeSantis, a potential 2024 presidential contender who's closely aligned with former President Donald Trump, threatened to cut funding from state universities that he determines don't promote "intellectual diversity."

During a press conference at a middle school in Fort Myers, the governor said campuses that are "hotbeds for stale ideology" were "not worth tax dollars, and that's not something that we're going to be supporting going forward."

The bill says the annual surveys would assess "intellectual freedom and viewpoint diversity" and determine "the extent to which competing ideas and perspectives are presented" and whether students, professors, and staffers "feel free to express their beliefs and viewpoints on campus and in the classroom."

The law, effective July 1, demands that students "be shown diverse ideas and opinions, including those that they may disagree with or find uncomfortable," the state's Department of Education said.

Yes, it appears to be an anonymous survey, so the DOE won't know if Professor X is "indoctrinating students." But, the statements made by the Governor when signing the law change this from a benign survey of faculty and students to a tool to punish schools that do not adhere to his worldview - campuses that are "hotbeds for stale ideology" were "not worth tax dollars, and that's not something that we're going to be supporting going forward."

Will the Legislature and DOE actually abide by the intent of the law, that students "be shown diverse ideas and opinions, including those that they may disagree with or find uncomfortable,"? Will campuses or departments that the survey says are indoctrinating students with right-wing ideologies face funding reductions or other sanctions?

Capitalism is the stalest ideology of them all - that's the irony of this. Not saying any of the lefty crap peddled by university students and many professors isn't stale as well, of course.

[Snaketoz]

Evidently, science and the truth are left-leaning.  DeSantis wants us to go back to the Geocentric theory, believe media entertainers over scientists, Covid 19 is fake, (when it's advantageous to their agenda), and any sensible, compromise on any subject is Socialist.  He is Hell-bent on pushing his Trump like policies down our throats.

[simms3]

Reading these posts is alarming.  Hopefully y'all are the loud minority, and our politicians are truly representing the majority of the people when they sign these measures into law.

My generation HATES America for some reason and I know many who are signed on with Marxist and socialist ideology.  Many of these people come from standard middle/upper middle backgrounds, so I'm not sure what their gripes are except I believe they have been indoctrinated over time by our government schools (and plenty of private universities as well) to have these beliefs.  I was indoctrinated by the left for years and alienated from my own family.  I can speak from real experience.

Families are truly pitted against each other, and it's sad.  The left has done a great job of taking fathers out of homes, and now for the remaining intact families it has done a great job at pitting the children against the parents by somehow creating a victim narrative for everyone, and for those somehow left out of all the possible "intersectional" narratives out there, it has encouraged "allyship" with any and all of the supposed "victims" out there.  Truly amazing how many Marxist things are going on in this country right now.

Now we are at the point where people believe they are a "victim" of this country.  A "victim" of DeSantis, even.  Truly sad to see all of this unfold before our eyes.  A bunch of loud weirdos feigning outrage at everything and working in conjunction with a historically leftist media to cultivate all of these dangerous narratives and enact change based on them.

Red-blooded freedom-loving Americans who love their country, who are relatives of family members who died for this country and the principles we were founded on will eventually say enough is enough!  I hope the backlash is only a political one in 2022 and 2024 and at our local school boards and local governments.

[Chuckabear]

Reading these posts is alarming.  Hopefully y'all are the loud minority, and our politicians are truly representing the majority of the people when they sign these measures into law.

My generation HATES America for some reason and I know many who are signed on with Marxist and socialist ideology.  Many of these people come from standard middle/upper middle backgrounds, so I'm not sure what their gripes are except I believe they have been indoctrinated over time by our government schools (and plenty of private universities as well) to have these beliefs.  I was indoctrinated by the left for years and alienated from my own family.  I can speak from real experience.

Families are truly pitted against each other, and it's sad.  The left has done a great job of taking fathers out of homes, and now for the remaining intact families it has done a great job at pitting the children against the parents by somehow creating a victim narrative for everyone, and for those somehow left out of all the possible "intersectional" narratives out there, it has encouraged "allyship" with any and all of the supposed "victims" out there.  Truly amazing how many Marxist things are going on in this country right now.

Now we are at the point where people believe they are a "victim" of this country.  A "victim" of DeSantis, even.  Truly sad to see all of this unfold before our eyes.  A bunch of loud weirdos feigning outrage at everything and working in conjunction with a historically leftist media to cultivate all of these dangerous narratives and enact change based on them.

Red-blooded freedom-loving Americans who love their country, who are relatives of family members who died for this country and the principles we were founded on will eventually say enough is enough!  I hope the backlash is only a political one in 2022 and 2024 and at our local school boards and local governments.

I served in the US Navy for 21 years and am a Marxist. Do you even know what Marxism and Critical Race Theory is. Is applying Immanent Critique such a bad thing while trying to understand the inherent contradictions of our system.

To me exploring outside the norms of the illusion of the USA is more patriotic than waving the flag and saying we are the best. All Desantis and his ilk are doing are perpetuating the lie.

[jaxlongtimer]

Reading these posts is alarming.  Hopefully y'all are the loud minority, and our politicians are truly representing the majority of the people when they sign these measures into law.

My generation HATES America for some reason and I know many who are signed on with Marxist and socialist ideology.  Many of these people come from standard middle/upper middle backgrounds, so I'm not sure what their gripes are except I believe they have been indoctrinated over time by our government schools (and plenty of private universities as well) to have these beliefs.  I was indoctrinated by the left for years and alienated from my own family.  I can speak from real experience.

Families are truly pitted against each other, and it's sad.  The left has done a great job of taking fathers out of homes, and now for the remaining intact families it has done a great job at pitting the children against the parents by somehow creating a victim narrative for everyone, and for those somehow left out of all the possible "intersectional" narratives out there, it has encouraged "allyship" with any and all of the supposed "victims" out there.  Truly amazing how many Marxist things are going on in this country right now.

Now we are at the point where people believe they are a "victim" of this country.  A "victim" of DeSantis, even.  Truly sad to see all of this unfold before our eyes.  A bunch of loud weirdos feigning outrage at everything and working in conjunction with a historically leftist media to cultivate all of these dangerous narratives and enact change based on them.

Red-blooded freedom-loving Americans who love their country, who are relatives of family members who died for this country and the principles we were founded on will eventually say enough is enough!  I hope the backlash is only a political one in 2022 and 2024 and at our local school boards and local governments.

I don't know of any society or country that is so perfect that they can't work to do better, our country included.  Not everyone in our country has benefited on an equal basis.  Aside from slavery and discrimination in our history, today we live in a time when the income/wealth gap has never been greater.  It is an historical fact that societies with greater imbalances will suffer more turmoil as the more populated underclasses will, at some point, resist the systems that hold them down.  To some degree, Simms, this is, in my opinion, part of what you are witnessing.  I also note that today's "middle class" is among those who have joined the ranks of falling behind and today's younger generations may be the first in modern times to economically achieve less than their ancestors.

These circumstances are being accentuated by the polices of conservatives who have advocated for reduced social safety nets and tax policies that further extend the wealth and income gaps.  Are "liberal" solutions perfect? No.  But, such discussions need to take place to insure that we defuse the situation before it truly explodes.  Suppressing liberal approaches, numerically, offends far more people than conservative solutions that mainly favor the 1% or so.  This is why you are witnessing much of what you enumerate in your post.

Regarding "victimization," this claim is not limited to those you have in mind.  White males and conservative Christians have made the same claims in advocating for the policies that Trump, DeSantis and their ilk have been putting forward.

I particularly take offense that you believe that American's who critique our country are somehow less patriotic than those who accept the status quo.  I would suggest the opposite... That those who critique care more about our country and its future in that they are willing to risk and invest much to try and make it better for all of us, not just special interests.

To be clear, I believe in the capitalist system but also recognize that it often plays favorites and has been subjected to manipulation to the advantage of some and the disadvantage of many (i.e. not everyone is getting a fair and equal shake to play the "game").  I also recognize that a rising tide raises all boats and that there will always be a segment of the population that is less blessed with the skills, experience, aptitude, education, health or accidents of life to navigate such a system and that we will, thus, always have to maintain some type of safety net for those less blessed.

Lastly, I would pose a question to you that a reporter recently posed to Vladimir Putin regarding his efforts to suppress dissent:  "What are you so afraid of?" if you are so secure in the belief that maintaining the status quo is providing equal opportunity to everyone.

[itsfantastic1]

Guys, I'm starting to think a guy who won his governor election with a plurality (not majority) by a margin of 0.4% may not be concerned with passing policies than help all Floridians but rather catapult him into the Fox News spotlight for his rise as the next MAGA savior.

However, these types of policies are also the brainchild of a state legislature that for the last decade or two has been slowly eroding home rule and expanding the state's power over local government, so don't let them off the hook as well.

Whether these laws are upheld or overturned in court doesn't matter to him. It's just for the headlines it generates. The irony of conservatives advocating for more government involvement is just icing on this cake.

I also wonder Simms if you feel the same way about Florida "truly representing the majority" with its constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage in 2008, which was overturned by the courts as unconstitutional. Seems to me back then, Florida was pretty clear on its majority opinion which would've denied you the right to marry a partner.

[Adam White]

Families are truly pitted against each other, and it's sad.  The left has done a great job of taking fathers out of homes, and now for the remaining intact families it has done a great job at pitting the children against the parents by somehow creating a victim narrative for everyone, and for those somehow left out of all the possible "intersectional" narratives out there, it has encouraged "allyship" with any and all of the supposed "victims" out there.  Truly amazing how many Marxist things are going on in this country right now.

It's clear you've never studied Marx. All that stuff you mentioned has nothing to do with Marx and is not found in his writings.