200 Largest U.S.A. Major Cities 2021 From 2020 Census

[WAJAS]

How many cities on that list DO NOT have a Starbucks in their CBD?

Or a good grocery store?

Traditionally, the CBD was only the Northbank. For Jax, does the Starbucks in Baptist or Fresh Market in Brooklyn count as being in the CBD?

I'd say that is "downtown" but not the "Central Business District." Orlando makes that distinction a bit more clear.

[MusicMan]

I found the Starbucks in Baptist but you really have a serious walk from the parking garage. And you will need to ask directions because there is no signage.I have not seen the other one....

I don't think anyone living at The Berkman, Carling, 11E, or Churchwell would walk to Fresh Market and back again carrying a 3 day supply of groceries. But it would be great if they could hop on the people mover and get to Brooklyn and back.  IMO Fresh Market is not in the CBD.

It's sort of the canary in the coal mine,  We have the only CBD without a Starbucks, which sorta concerns me.

[bl8jaxnative]

No one that can afford $2K / mo for a 888 sq ftt walks to the grocery store.

[bl8jaxnative]

Jacksonville is potentially even less dense than this list shows.  According to Wikipedia, we have about 758 square miles of land and 117 sq. mi. of water for a total of 874 sq. mi.  The article posted shows us at 747 sq. mi. so it appears to only be accounting for the land in the City, not our water.  I wonder if they used this approach with any other City.  I wonder if they made any adjustments for Baldwin and the Beaches, although, technically, I think those residents may be dual city citizens since Jacksonville is also the county government.

According to the United States Census Bureau, the city has a total area of 874.3 square miles (2,264 km2), making Jacksonville the largest city in land area in the contiguous United States; of this, 86.66% (757.7 sq mi or 1,962 km2) is land and 13.34% (116.7 sq mi or 302 km2) is water.

They're measuring the population within the cities borders.

They're measuring it per sq miles of land.

They're using the same process for all cities.  Well, tehy're just showing US Census Bureau data.  but the USCB is measuring it the same for all.

[Zac T]

I found the Starbucks in Baptist but you really have a serious walk from the parking garage. And you will need to ask directions because there is no signage.I have not seen the other one....

I don't think anyone living at The Berkman, Carling, 11E, or Churchwell would walk to Fresh Market and back again carrying a 3 day supply of groceries. But it would be great if they could hop on the people mover and get to Brooklyn and back.  IMO Fresh Market is not in the CBD.

It's sort of the canary in the coal mine,  We have the only CBD without a Starbucks, which sorta concerns me.

I could be forgetting some but I counted at least 5 local coffee shops on the Northbank, 6 if you include the cafe in the Hyatt that sells Starbucks products. I don't know if Vagabond is still opening in the Barnett but there's also going to be a coffee shop at Bread & Board Provisions so that makes 8. Maybe from an optics standpoint it looks bad to not have a Starbucks but there's plenty of local coffee shops DT that make up the difference and are better quality in my humble opinion.

[heights unknown]

I found the Starbucks in Baptist but you really have a serious walk from the parking garage. And you will need to ask directions because there is no signage.I have not seen the other one....

I don't think anyone living at The Berkman, Carling, 11E, or Churchwell would walk to Fresh Market and back again carrying a 3 day supply of groceries. But it would be great if they could hop on the people mover and get to Brooklyn and back.  IMO Fresh Market is not in the CBD.

It's sort of the canary in the coal mine,  We have the only CBD without a Starbucks, which sorta concerns me.

IMO, at this point and time, a Starbucks on the Northbank is not feasible; where? either Brooklyn or on the Southbank possibly near the fountain, or, in the Peninsula area/district close to "The District/Healthy Town" that they are finally beginning to build (hopefully). I've been downtown (Jax) many times since moving back to North Florida, and it never occurred to me that there is no Starbucks in the CBD.

[thelakelander]

Starbucks was feasible at the Landing. It was not at 11 East. Right now, there aren't many spaces that make sense for them in the Northbank. Let's see how things look when a few projects like the Trio and VyStar garage come online. In the meantime, support the local coffee shops (better IMO), or the Starbucks at Baptist Medical, Five Points or San Marco.

[MusicMan]

"No one that can afford $2K / mo for a 888 sq ftt walks to the grocery store."

They do. Just not in Jacksonville.  NYC. San Fran. Chicago. Charlotte. Asheville. Greenville.  Dozens of major league cities, this is normal. Just not here.  They can't.  There is no store.

Brooklyn IS NOT downtown OR the CBD.  Springfield is NOT downtown or the CBD. Most of San Marco is NOT downtown and obviously not the CBD.

[thelakelander]

How about Harvey's? Lot's of people living in the Cathedral District do walk there. Anyway, a few projects like the Laura Street Trio and the Old Independent Life tower, include a grocery. It will take 2 or 3 years for those projects to be completed though.

[MusicMan]

I'll paraphrase: "No one that can afford $2000 /mo for an apartment walks to Harveys."   I'm being honest. I was in there the other day looking for a lock. It's not a terrific store.

The few folks i know who live in the CBD go to Publix/Riverside, Fresh Market, and Trader Joes/Whole Foods or Costco. And  GrassRoots.

I believe what you are saying about Cathedral district residents. It's close for sure.

[acme54321]

"No one that can afford $2K / mo for a 888 sq ftt walks to the grocery store."

They do. Just not in Jacksonville.  NYC. San Fran. Chicago. Charlotte. Asheville. Greenville.  Dozens of major league cities, this is normal. Just not here.  They can't.  There is no store.

Brooklyn IS NOT downtown OR the CBD.  Springfield is NOT downtown or the CBD. Most of San Marco is NOT downtown and obviously not the CBD.

What major grocery store is downtown in Asheville?  Some small markets yes, but I'm not aware of a traditional grocery store walkable to downtown Asheville.  The other cities I don't know as well so no comment on those.

[MusicMan]

Whole Foods about a mile from city center?  I mean it's not fair to compare downtown Asheville to downtown Jacksonville, but if you want too we can.  I think someone mentioned all the coffee shops downtown in Jax, but how many stay open late and serve killer food and wine?
Where can you buy a bottle of wine downtown? 

[thelakelander]

Seriously though, how many people are paying $2k a month for an apartment in downtown Jax? I can't imagine that population is large enough to support a 7-11, much less a Harvey's. For anyone hoping to see a Publix, Whole Foods, etc. in the Northbank, DT Jax just isn't there yet and won't be anytime soon.

[MusicMan]

I'm not arguing with you. We can all see the current state of downtown Jax with our own two eyes. I do believe it would be great if a Downtown Dweller could hop on a people mover and go to Brooklyn. We've come full circle from where we were in 2006, lots of promise on the horizon. Now lets see who brings the money and what they do with it.

[thelakelander]

Hopefully, JTA will get that Brooklyn Station open soon. That's one that should have been put in place a decade ago. It will be a great value add to Northbank and Southbank living to have direct transit access to the Brooklyn area. It would also be good to capitalize on Broad Street's potential of extending that commercial corridor into the Northbank and LaVilla.