River City Brewing redevelopment should be mixed use

[jaxlongtimer]

Great article.  I would like to see RCBC remain or be replaced with a like-sized structure and height.  Start the high rise further back.

This picture posted of Tampa on the Hillsborough river is not attractive (I dare say bordering on ugly) at all along the water.  I would hate to see our beautiful St. Johns River framed by buildings like this and this is the point I was making in the initial thread for this project.

[Tacachale]

^There are many great ideas that could come together if there's a commitment to keep a restaurant and active use in the space. Design tweaks, better integration with the park and Riverwalk, etc. To my mind that's the most important thing, the current design as is is dead wood.

[bl8jaxnative]

it's be just fine. The St. John's River is 5 to 10 times wider than the Hillsbrough.   It's impossible to give it the same feel.


BTW - I get it, you don't like that aesthetic.  Keep in mind that the quintessential urban attraction - place making, et al. - is the San Antonio River Walk.  Those few blocks of riverfront in Tampa that you see as being horrendous are wide open Montana skies compored to SA's riverwalk

[Steve]

Daily Record is reporting Related will add an 1,800 SqFt restaurant with 3,200 SqFt of outdoor dining:

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/related-group-adds-restaurant-to-proposal-at-river-city-brewing-site

[heights unknown]

Daily Record is reporting Related will add an 1,800 SqFt restaurant with 3,200 SqFt of outdoor dining:

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/related-group-adds-restaurant-to-proposal-at-river-city-brewing-site

Super awesome news. IDK but it seems like "The Jaxson" might have had something to do with this? LOL

[Tacachale]

Daily Record is reporting Related will add an 1,800 SqFt restaurant with 3,200 SqFt of outdoor dining:

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/related-group-adds-restaurant-to-proposal-at-river-city-brewing-site

Super awesome news. IDK but it seems like "The Jaxson" might have had something to do with this? LOL

All in a days work, citizen! (shoots batgrapple at a gargoyle, swings off)

[jaxlongtimer]

I support the addition of the restaurant but am still concerned with the proximity to the river.

The below is also a possible concern as it takes back the green space from round one.  I think the restaurant should come out of the original land deal to be fully genuine.

Adding a restaurant could reduce the size of the land Related Group agreed to give the city to increase St. John River Park's size and river frontage.

[thelakelander]

It does appear that the building is setback more than the current RCBC building is.

[Steve]

Here's the DIA Board meeting packet which includes the amendment:

https://dia.coj.net/Meetings/20201014_DIA-Board-Meeting-Agenda-Packet_Revised.aspx

The restaurant is going to be modeled after a place in Coconut Grove (https://glassandvine.com/). It isn't directly on the water, but it faces the fountain and from the outside should absolutely have views of the river and the northbank. For me this absolutely checks the box on having a restaurant.

I still think parking isn't ideal. My first thought was for the city to adjust the incentives for the project up, in exchange for adding a floor to the garage. Even cheaper might be to just go the road diet route and add parallel parking around the place - it doesn't have to be as elaborate as the Riverplace Blvd Project, but just a "paint on asphalt" solution.

[jaxlongtimer]

Will they be required to allocate any spaces in their garage for public parking?

[Steve]

Right now there's a total of 30 spaces, which isn't great as those spaces are shared with MOSH, this restaurant, and the park.

[Tacachale]

Will they be required to allocate any spaces in their garage for public parking?

If there's a restaurant, then yes. My understanding is there will also be some parking for the boat ramp.

[Ken_FSU]

Times-Union quote on the general area that MOSH might be looking to move to on the Northbank:

Cumber said her understanding of the preliminary discussions about MOSH relocating involve city-controlled land on the Northbank. She said it's in the general area of the Shipyards end of downtown.

[thelakelander]

Likely the Shipyards, adjacent to the proposed USS Orleck location and west of the proposed relocation of Metropolitan Park.

[heights unknown]

Right now there's a total of 30 spaces, which isn't great as those spaces are shared with MOSH, this restaurant, and the park.

MOSH is now moving. So that will free up more parking for this project (I would guess unless someone immediately moves into the old MOSH building).