The city moves to terminate the Landing's lease agreement.

[copperfiend]

In my opinion what killed Jax is the Jaguars.  Drove by the stadium last night and the whole time was just thinking to myself how much public and private money has been sunk into that thing with nothing to show for it except tons of paved and grass parking lots.

This is probably a topic for another thread. But I disagree completely.

I put a lot more blame on consolidation of government and the obsessions in this city with low taxes and cars/roads.

[KenFSU]

In my opinion what killed Jax is the Jaguars.

12th fastest growing city in the nation.

Fastest growing city on the East Coast.

5th fastest growing economy in the United States.

We're practically on life support.

[Tacachale]

In my opinion what killed Jax is the Jaguars.

12th fastest growing city in the nation.

Fastest growing city on the East Coast.

5th fastest growing economy in the United States.

We're practically on life support.

[jax_hwy_engineer]

In my opinion what killed Jax is the Jaguars.

12th fastest growing city in the nation.

Fastest growing city on the East Coast.

5th fastest growing economy in the United States.

We're practically on life support.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/samanthasharf/2018/02/28/full-list-americas-fastest-growing-cities-2018/#61112f157feb

I'm having difficulty finding anything backing up your exact claims, but Forbes puts us as 16th in the country, accounting for all growth factors. And if you count "East Coast" as having a beach on the Atlantic Ocean (probably the strictest definition), then yes, we're the highest on that list with that caveat.

Not arguing, just backing up the fact that we're definitely NOT a dead city

[KenFSU]

In my opinion what killed Jax is the Jaguars.

12th fastest growing city in the nation.

Fastest growing city on the East Coast.

5th fastest growing economy in the United States.

We're practically on life support.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/samanthasharf/2018/02/28/full-list-americas-fastest-growing-cities-2018/#61112f157feb

I'm having difficulty finding anything backing up your exact claims, but Forbes puts us as 16th in the country, accounting for all growth factors. And if you count "East Coast" as having a beach on the Atlantic Ocean (probably the strictest definition), then yes, we're the highest on that list with that caveat.

Not arguing, just backing up the fact that we're definitely NOT a dead city

Should have included a source, thanks for keeping me honest!

Here's where I pulled those two stats from:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-24/only-four-of-top-15-fastest-growing-u-s-cities-on-a-coast

[thelakelander]

13th largest in 2017 by raw number:
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2018/estimates-cities.html

Despite the nice projects and renderings Kerry has been posting, Jax is outperforming OKC's MSA in growth according to the census bureau since 2010. Whether it's good growth is debatable but it isn't dying.

[remc86007]

We're practically on life support.

LOL.

[Snaketoz]

Perhaps we should all throw in the towel and move to Detroit.

[Kerry]

Perhaps we should all throw in the towel and move to Detroit.

Have you seen what is going on in Detroit the last couple of years, because that isn't such a bad idea.

I'll save it for the "Cool Developments in Other Cities" thread.

[KenFSU]

Perhaps we should all throw in the towel and move to Detroit.

Have you seen what is going on in Detroit the last couple of years, because that isn't such a bad idea.

I'll save it for the "Cool Developments in Other Cities" thread.

Agreed!

Sign me up for a penthouse in Book Tower when it's finished.

[thelakelander]

Lots of good stuff happening in a small area of Detroit for outsiders. Let's just hope that type of prosperity can be extended to the rest of the city and long time disenfranchised residents.

[dp8541]

Just visited Armature Works in Tampa (in Tampa Heights abt 2 miles from the central biz district).  Oh what the landing could one day hope to be.

http://armatureworks.com/eat-drink/

[thelakelander]

I've been wanting to check it out. I'd love to see how the retrofit of the old streetcar barn turned out.

[dp8541]

It turned out very well.  Bike share and river taxi are located right outside along with great views of the river and downtown.  Inside is not 100% complete, but they have one full service restaurant operational (one more is in the works) and about 10 food vendors with a few bars scattered around.  On a Sunday afternoon it was crowded but not packed to the point it was unenjoyable.  Even had a wedding going on in their private event space.

[RattlerGator]

Lots of good stuff happening in a small area of Detroit for outsiders. Let's just hope that type of prosperity can be extended to the rest of the city and long time disenfranchised residents.

A *very* small area of Detroit; it's bizarre, this need to overhype what is happening in Detroit. A phenomenal city, gutted, is making use of some incredible building stock downtown. Good for them, but get real.

Almost equally bizarre to me is the very surprising and misguided relevance that links The Landing to the Lot J effort. Ummmmm . . . that's not just a no but a hell no.

The Arena has X number of events a year that will directly feed into the Lot J Duval Live! facility. So, too, the Baseball Grounds. And Daily's Place. And, yes, most especially the T.I.A.A. with our Jaguars football weekends, Florida-Georgia Week, the Bowl Game, and other college football games.

That's four different spaces with specific events probably occupying one-third to one-half of the days of the year. And that doesn't even begin to address the potential for the space to be a draw on its own, something that far, far exceeds anything The Landing could ever hope to be.

What the hell, people, what the hell? For synergy alone, The Landing is penny-ante BS compared to what is being considered for Lot J.