New healthy pizza company from Jax? - Proteinza

[BridgeTroll]

Oh you poor pizza challenged man... That is clearly a bunless hamburger.   

Stop trying to define pizza for the rest of us, BT!

Simply right click and search google image... viola... bunless hamburger.  cause Google said so...

[BridgeTroll]

Here is an alternative pizza place in London... check it out... great reviews.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g186338-d11689402-Reviews-PickyWops-London_England.html

[Adam White]

Oh you poor pizza challenged man... That is clearly a bunless hamburger.   

Stop trying to define pizza for the rest of us, BT!

Simply right click and search google image... viola... bunless hamburger.  cause Google said so...

Oh...I get it. Google is allowed to define pizza. Or the person who posted the picture is allowed to define pizza.

So if I say that tomato sauce and cheese on chicken is chicken parmesan, then it is. Even if you call it pizza. It's all down to what you want to call it. Put toppings on a bit of courgette (one of the things you posted) - pizza. Why not?

Oh yeah...dough. That's why not.

[Adam White]

Here is an alternative pizza place in London... check it out... great reviews.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g186338-d11689402-Reviews-PickyWops-London_England.html

I wonder if all their "alternative" pizzas have bases made of dough.

I am not likely to go, as I avoid places like Fulham.

[Tacachale]

Oh you poor pizza challenged man... That is clearly a bunless hamburger.   

Stop trying to define pizza for the rest of us, BT!

Yeah, in my English program they taught us that the only ones allowed to define pizza are people going on about it in Jacksonville Internet forums.

[Adam White]

Oh you poor pizza challenged man... That is clearly a bunless hamburger.   

Stop trying to define pizza for the rest of us, BT!

Yeah, in my English program they taught us that the only ones allowed to define pizza are people going on about it in Jacksonville Internet forums.

We could solve the problems of the world if only they'd listen to us, Tacachale.

[BridgeTroll]

Champagne... sparkling wine... pizza... bunless hamburger...

[Jaxingithard]

Because chickens are food... 

Well, they are to you. But it's not pizza if you make the crust out of shredded chicken. And maybe instead of doing a dumb fad diet where you starve your body of carbs, you just do a bit of portion control? Dieting is all about willpower and developing a lifestyle.

It is not pizza because you say it isn't?  Thanks Adam... 

No - it's not Pizza because the Italians say it isn't. Pizza is a form of flatbread. But I suppose it's "pizza" of a sort.

It looks like pizza (see below) and tastes like pizza,  Therefore it's perfectly reasonable to call it pizza.

Except they didn't, They called it Proteinza.

[Adam White]

Pizza is a form of bread and requires a doughy base. Of course, you can call it whatever you like.

But you're fooling yourself if you think it's any "healthier" than regular pizza. It's not. It is lower carb. But carbs aren't unhealthy. They just get in the way of low carb diets.

[Jaxingithard]

Pizza is a form of bread and requires a doughy base. Of course, you can call it whatever you like.

But you're fooling yourself if you think it's any "healthier" than regular pizza. It's not. It is lower carb. But carbs aren't unhealthy. They just get in the way of low carb diets.

We need carbohydrates for daily function, it is the preferred energy source. There are however simple carbohydrates and complex carbohydrates and unless you are about to do some form of physical exertion and need energy fast, complex carbs are "healthier" than simple ones because they supply energy over a longer duration and keep a steady insulin level. Protein and fat stimulate even less of an insulin response (fat however is very energy dense and is generally linked with cholesterol etc).  In this country obesity/diabetes is a massive issue and this is largely due to the excessive intake of carbohydrates, particularly simple carbohydrates (sugar, high fructose corn syrup etc). Substituting carbohydrates for protein can easily be argued to be healthier in this context. No ones saying carbs are unhealthy, just most people don't need so many. 

[Adam White]

Pizza is a form of bread and requires a doughy base. Of course, you can call it whatever you like.

But you're fooling yourself if you think it's any "healthier" than regular pizza. It's not. It is lower carb. But carbs aren't unhealthy. They just get in the way of low carb diets.

We need carbohydrates for daily function, it is the preferred energy source. There are however simple carbohydrates and complex carbohydrates and unless you are about to do some form of physical exertion and need energy fast, complex carbs are "healthier" than simple ones because they supply energy over a longer duration and keep a steady insulin level. Protein and fat stimulate even less of an insulin response (fat however is very energy dense and is generally linked with cholesterol etc).  In this country obesity/diabetes is a massive issue and this is largely due to the excessive intake of carbohydrates, particularly simple carbohydrates (sugar, high fructose corn syrup etc). Substituting carbohydrates for protein can easily be argued to be healthier in this context. No ones saying carbs are unhealthy, just most people don't need so many.

Just eat smaller portions and lay off the high fructose corn syrup, etc. Or you can get a low carb "pizza" with lots of sodium and saturated fat and say "fuck it!"

[Jaxingithard]

Pizza is a form of bread and requires a doughy base. Of course, you can call it whatever you like.

But you're fooling yourself if you think it's any "healthier" than regular pizza. It's not. It is lower carb. But carbs aren't unhealthy. They just get in the way of low carb diets.

We need carbohydrates for daily function, it is the preferred energy source. There are however simple carbohydrates and complex carbohydrates and unless you are about to do some form of physical exertion and need energy fast, complex carbs are "healthier" than simple ones because they supply energy over a longer duration and keep a steady insulin level. Protein and fat stimulate even less of an insulin response (fat however is very energy dense and is generally linked with cholesterol etc).  In this country obesity/diabetes is a massive issue and this is largely due to the excessive intake of carbohydrates, particularly simple carbohydrates (sugar, high fructose corn syrup etc). Substituting carbohydrates for protein can easily be argued to be healthier in this context. No ones saying carbs are unhealthy, just most people don't need so many.

Just eat smaller portions and lay off the high fructose corn syrup, etc. Or you can get a low carb "pizza" with lots of sodium and saturated fat and say "fuck it!"

Both your claims are inaccurate, clearly have something against facts and low carb diets.

[Adam White]

Pizza is a form of bread and requires a doughy base. Of course, you can call it whatever you like.

But you're fooling yourself if you think it's any "healthier" than regular pizza. It's not. It is lower carb. But carbs aren't unhealthy. They just get in the way of low carb diets.

We need carbohydrates for daily function, it is the preferred energy source. There are however simple carbohydrates and complex carbohydrates and unless you are about to do some form of physical exertion and need energy fast, complex carbs are "healthier" than simple ones because they supply energy over a longer duration and keep a steady insulin level. Protein and fat stimulate even less of an insulin response (fat however is very energy dense and is generally linked with cholesterol etc).  In this country obesity/diabetes is a massive issue and this is largely due to the excessive intake of carbohydrates, particularly simple carbohydrates (sugar, high fructose corn syrup etc). Substituting carbohydrates for protein can easily be argued to be healthier in this context. No ones saying carbs are unhealthy, just most people don't need so many.

Just eat smaller portions and lay off the high fructose corn syrup, etc. Or you can get a low carb "pizza" with lots of sodium and saturated fat and say "fuck it!"

Both your claims are inaccurate, clearly have something against facts and low carb diets.

I've read the nutritional info on the website you posted a link to. And I also have a bit of experience in dieting, having lost 40 lbs seven years ago. And I did that through watching my portions, not cutting carbohydrates out of my diet. If a low carb diet works for you, then fine. But there's more to "healthy" than low carb. And I'd not consider those "pizzas" (or are they non-traditional cheesecakes?) healthy. They are what they are. But you can get healthier pizza with a traditional - or actual - crust. Of course, if you really want to be healthy, you might want to cut down on your pizza anyway. Unless, of course, you cut out the cheese and other "bad" toppings.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Adam, read up on Ketogenics.

Like most 'diets' it only works if you stick with it, but in a nutshell, you 'train' the body to use the stored fat as an energy source rather than burn the carbs.  That requires replacing one source or energy for another - carbs v/s fats.

The downside to this style of eating is that if you don't stick with it 100% of the time (if you cheat), your body never goes / doesn't stay in ketosis (burning fat) and you have a real chance to gain considerably more weight as well as all the other cholesterol issues that come along with high fat intake.

But I agree with you 1,000% that portion control (calories in v/s calories out) and dietary variety is the best way to go.  It doesn't mean you can't have ice cream, but there's no need to have 4 scoops of it.  Eat a steak, but cut it 5-6oz as opposed to 10-12.

And I guess for you being vegan, there aren't a whole lot of calories in most of what you eat anyhow, so there's that, too.

[Adam White]

Adam, read up on Ketogenics.

Like most 'diets' it only works if you stick with it, but in a nutshell, you 'train' the body to use the stored fat as an energy source rather than burn the carbs.  That requires replacing one source or energy for another - carbs v/s fats.

The downside to this style of eating is that if you don't stick with it 100% of the time (if you cheat), your body never goes / doesn't stay in ketosis (burning fat) and you have a real chance to gain considerably more weight as well as all the other cholesterol issues that come along with high fat intake.

But I agree with you 1,000% that portion control (calories in v/s calories out) and dietary variety is the best way to go.  It doesn't mean you can't have ice cream, but there's no need to have 4 scoops of it.  Eat a steak, but cut it 5-6oz as opposed to 10-12.

And I guess for you being vegan, there aren't a whole lot of calories in most of what you eat anyhow, so there's that, too.

Hi NRW - I am familiar with ketogenics. You might manage to lose weight (if you stick to it), but no one will want you because your breath will smell like zombie farts.

I'm not a vegan - just a vegetarian (who could manage to eat better - yeah, I don't eat meat, but I eat too much crap these days).