Killing Republicans...

[carpnter]

When I see someone reference commonsense gun laws I think of laws that prohibit someone who has committed violent acts (such as the shooter
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2017/06/14/the_alexandria_shooter_had_a_history_of_domestic_abuse_like_most_mass_shooters.html
not disarming the police as a troll on this thread would have you believe about we libs.

According to the articles Federal law already prohibits domestic abusers from purchasing and owning firearms.  The states need to get off their butts and enact laws on how those convicted need to dispose of their guns.

Edit: Also prosecutors need to stop hanging out misdemeanor plea deals for true domestic violence incidents.

[BridgeTroll]

https://www.city-journal.org/html/incitement-violence-15267.html

Incitement to Violence
The Left has raised America's political temperature to the boiling point.
Seth Barron June 14, 2017

Democrats may be horrified by today's attempted massacre of the GOP House baseball team by an avowed progressive, but their incendiary demands for "massive resistance" since November have been an open plea for the escalation of words into violent action. The daily repetition that President Trump is an illegitimate usurper who stole the election through collusion with foreign powers has been a hypnotic incantation in search of an Oswald: a siren call for an assassin.

We don't have to look too hard to find extremist rhetoric from influential people whose appeals for violence are only partially veiled. In March, former attorney general Loretta Lynch made a brief video in which she called for people "who see our rights being assailed, being trampled on and even being rolled back" to follow the example of freedom fighters of the past. "They've marched, they've bled and yes, some of them died. This is hard. Every good thing is. We have done this before. We can do this again." The Senate Democrats shared Lynch's call for street action leading to bloody sacrifice on their Facebook page.

At the Women's March on Washington the day after Trump's inauguration, Angela Davis's appeal for militancy was met with cheers. "Over the next months and years we will be called upon to intensify our demands for social justice to become more militant in our defense of vulnerable populations," announced Davis, who in 1970 bought the shotgun used two days later to murder a judge. "Those who still defend the supremacy of white male hetero-patriarchy had better watch out," she concluded. At the same event, pop legend Madonna spoke about her fantasies of "blowing up the White House."

Liberals frequently complain that conservatives disseminate propaganda to their secretly racist supporters via "dog whistle" tactics, which send the desired message in coded language or gestures. The same liberals have dispensed with high-frequency whistles in favor of a simpler message: "Treason!" Following the now-debunked February 14 New York Times report that Trump's campaign had been in direct contact with Russian agents before the election, a late-night host commented, "It's funny because it's treason." Comedian Rosie O'Donnell led an anti-Trump rally outside the White House, declaring, "He is going down and so will all of his administration. The charge is treason."

Joy Behar, host of The View, has claimed that the president's allegiance to the Kremlin is treasonous, but she is also concerned about his work on behalf of Islamic State caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. "Do you think," mused Behar, "that because he is the recruiter-in-chief, and by his words he's getting more people to go on the side of ISIS, that he could be considered treasonous? I mean, that is against the Constitution, that is against America. That's a treasonous act in my opinion." Treason, of course, is a capital crime; the constant reiteration of the charge that Trump is a traitor has supplied the groundwork of justification for political violence.

Reputable figures in the media have normalized radical, violent discourse. Popular television writer/producer David Simon tweeted this week, "If Donald Trump fires Robert Mueller and is allowed to do so, pick up a goddamn brick. That's all that's left to you." Writing in The Nation, Natasha Lennard praised street violence as "kinetic beauty," and Angelo Carusone, president of Media Matters, exhorted, "Don't play footsie with proto-fascism. Fucking smash it." A protestor at a rally in New York City's Tompkins Square Park held a sign reading, "Hug a refugee (with permission); Punch a Nazi (with precision.)"

Every policy difference, no matter how trivial, has been cast as a matter of life and death. Proposed changes in federal Medicaid reimbursement practices will consign "tens of thousands of people" to early death, according to Senator Bernie Sanders, while rolling back federal guidelines on transgender bathroom signage will cause more teenagers to kill themselves, according to ThinkProgress. Abandonment of the non-enforceable and voluntary Paris Accord on Climate Change will doom the world to "catastrophe" and imminent mass extinction, according to Jill Stein.

In the last few weeks, the violent rhetoric crossed a fever line. CNN personality Kathy Griffin posed deadpan holding a severed and bloody head resembling Donald Trump; on television the next day, she tearfully denounced the many "old white men" who have supposedly bullied her. New York's venerable Shakespeare in the Park is currently performing a modern-dress version of Julius Caesar, in which a Trump-qua-Caesar character is murdered every night in a particularly bloody and graphic staging.

Following the shooting, liberal Twitter erupted in cynical snark. Op-ed writer Malcolm Harris wondered if the shooter could plead self-defense, in the event he had a pre-existing condition. Sonia Gupta, a Louisiana former prosecutor, counseled her followers not to be too sad about the wounding of Representative Steve Scalise, because "he's a racist piece of shit and hateful bigot." David Frum, though not a liberal, reminded us that "the president is the country's noisiest inciter of political violence," though the violence he has supposedly incited appears to be mostly from the other side.

Trump's opponents in the media, academia, and politics can pretend that their calls for radical action were meant metaphorically or in a nonviolent sense. But they are the ones who opened this box of fear, panic, and rage. Let them take responsibility for the climate that now exists.

[civil42806]

I 10 East, your comments are incredibly stupid.

Please stop the horse manure.

Or ask Gabby Giffords about violence from the right.  You may have forgotten, but VP Candidate Sara Palin put gun sights on liberal districts
she wanted to "take out" during her short lived rise to infamy.  Then lo and behold a right wing nut job shows up at a GG rally and shoots her point blank in the head.

While common sense Americans have supported common sense gun control for years, the right wing of the Republican Party has fought them tooth and nail, proposing that more guns and access to them will make us all safer. It's a fallacy. A very lethal one.

That's really not what happened with gabby gifford, here is a good synopsis and a debunking of today NYT editoral (prior to its correction).  Mother Jones has some good articles about the nutjob as well.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/06/15/the-bogus-claim-that-a-map-of-crosshairs-by-sarah-palins-pac-incited-rep-gabby-giffordss-shooting/?utm_term=.a9002396dd63

[JeffreyS]

https://www.city-journal.org/html/incitement-violence-15267.html

Incitement to Violence
The Left has raised America's political temperature to the boiling point.
Seth Barron June 14, 2017

Democrats may be horrified by today's attempted massacre of the GOP House baseball team by an avowed progressive, but their incendiary demands for "massive resistance" since November have been an open plea for the escalation of words into violent action. The daily repetition that President Trump is an illegitimate usurper who stole the election through collusion with foreign powers has been a hypnotic incantation in search of an Oswald: a siren call for an assassin.

We don't have to look too hard to find extremist rhetoric from influential people whose appeals for violence are only partially veiled. In March, former attorney general Loretta Lynch made a brief video in which she called for people "who see our rights being assailed, being trampled on and even being rolled back" to follow the example of freedom fighters of the past. "They've marched, they've bled and yes, some of them died. This is hard. Every good thing is. We have done this before. We can do this again." The Senate Democrats shared Lynch's call for street action leading to bloody sacrifice on their Facebook page.

At the Women's March on Washington the day after Trump's inauguration, Angela Davis's appeal for militancy was met with cheers. "Over the next months and years we will be called upon to intensify our demands for social justice to become more militant in our defense of vulnerable populations," announced Davis, who in 1970 bought the shotgun used two days later to murder a judge. "Those who still defend the supremacy of white male hetero-patriarchy had better watch out," she concluded. At the same event, pop legend Madonna spoke about her fantasies of "blowing up the White House."

Liberals frequently complain that conservatives disseminate propaganda to their secretly racist supporters via "dog whistle" tactics, which send the desired message in coded language or gestures. The same liberals have dispensed with high-frequency whistles in favor of a simpler message: "Treason!" Following the now-debunked February 14 New York Times report that Trump's campaign had been in direct contact with Russian agents before the election, a late-night host commented, "It's funny because it's treason." Comedian Rosie O'Donnell led an anti-Trump rally outside the White House, declaring, "He is going down and so will all of his administration. The charge is treason."

Joy Behar, host of The View, has claimed that the president's allegiance to the Kremlin is treasonous, but she is also concerned about his work on behalf of Islamic State caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. "Do you think," mused Behar, "that because he is the recruiter-in-chief, and by his words he's getting more people to go on the side of ISIS, that he could be considered treasonous? I mean, that is against the Constitution, that is against America. That's a treasonous act in my opinion." Treason, of course, is a capital crime; the constant reiteration of the charge that Trump is a traitor has supplied the groundwork of justification for political violence.

Reputable figures in the media have normalized radical, violent discourse. Popular television writer/producer David Simon tweeted this week, "If Donald Trump fires Robert Mueller and is allowed to do so, pick up a goddamn brick. That's all that's left to you." Writing in The Nation, Natasha Lennard praised street violence as "kinetic beauty," and Angelo Carusone, president of Media Matters, exhorted, "Don't play footsie with proto-fascism. Fucking smash it." A protestor at a rally in New York City's Tompkins Square Park held a sign reading, "Hug a refugee (with permission); Punch a Nazi (with precision.)"

Every policy difference, no matter how trivial, has been cast as a matter of life and death. Proposed changes in federal Medicaid reimbursement practices will consign "tens of thousands of people" to early death, according to Senator Bernie Sanders, while rolling back federal guidelines on transgender bathroom signage will cause more teenagers to kill themselves, according to ThinkProgress. Abandonment of the non-enforceable and voluntary Paris Accord on Climate Change will doom the world to "catastrophe" and imminent mass extinction, according to Jill Stein.

In the last few weeks, the violent rhetoric crossed a fever line. CNN personality Kathy Griffin posed deadpan holding a severed and bloody head resembling Donald Trump; on television the next day, she tearfully denounced the many "old white men" who have supposedly bullied her. New York's venerable Shakespeare in the Park is currently performing a modern-dress version of Julius Caesar, in which a Trump-qua-Caesar character is murdered every night in a particularly bloody and graphic staging.

Following the shooting, liberal Twitter erupted in cynical snark. Op-ed writer Malcolm Harris wondered if the shooter could plead self-defense, in the event he had a pre-existing condition. Sonia Gupta, a Louisiana former prosecutor, counseled her followers not to be too sad about the wounding of Representative Steve Scalise, because "he's a racist piece of shit and hateful bigot." David Frum, though not a liberal, reminded us that "the president is the country's noisiest inciter of political violence," though the violence he has supposedly incited appears to be mostly from the other side.

Trump's opponents in the media, academia, and politics can pretend that their calls for radical action were meant metaphorically or in a nonviolent sense. But they are the ones who opened this box of fear, panic, and rage. Let them take responsibility for the climate that now exists.

I think there is some truth to this but to dump the entire climate escalation on one side or the other(as the article does in the end) is laughable.  How many 2nd amendment bumper stickers have you seen that end in "pry it from my cold dead hands", Ted Nuegent calling for Obama and Hilliary's assassination(earning him a visit to Trumps White House,  or the right and the left picking their most incendiary candidates out of the primary process.  When the right votes for the guy whose solution to a problem is telling his supporters to literally "punch them in the face" it is going to be hard to divorce themselves from the political culture of violence.

[MusicMan]

I'm try to remember Trumps Second Amendment comments at his rally that were left 'open to interpretation':


Donald Trump's comments Tuesday suggesting that "2nd Amendment people" could stop Hillary Clinton from making judicial nominations sparked outrage from opponents — but the campaign defended the remarks by arguing that Trump was referring to the group's considerable political power.

"Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish the Second Amendment," Trump said during a rally in North Carolina on Tuesday.

"By the way, and if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know."

He is directly referring to violence against her. He refers specifically to "the second amendment people" and implying their use of firearms to stop her. It's not veiled, it's Trump.

[MusicMan]

Yeah, It's all on the left....................

I remember this one from a Rick Santorum campaign appearance in 2008. He is at a firing range in Louisiana, and as he takes aim at the target, a woman in the background can clearly be heard saying, "Pretend it's Obama." Followed by some chuckling. That's vintage Southern right wing hate for ya.

Roll Tape: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/as-santorum-fires-gun-woman-shouts-pretend-its-obama/

[Adam White]

Presumably the people who are blaming "leftist" rhetoric for this are the same people who blame gun violence on video games. And women in short skirts for rape.

[BridgeTroll]

Is it laughable?  The difference between the climate now... and the climate then... is the tacit approval of these statements by highly visible media members.  There is no criticism of the comments posted in the article by Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon etc not to mention our "news" comedians late at night

[JeffreyS]

https://www.city-journal.org/html/incitement-violence-15267.html

Incitement to Violence
The Left has raised America's political temperature to the boiling point.
Seth Barron June 14, 2017

But they are the ones who opened this box of fear, panic, and rage. Let them take responsibility for the climate that now exists.

Here is the beginning and end of the opinion piece I commented on yes it is laughable to pretend this is one sided that it was opened strictly by those on the left.

I offer no defense of the examples on the left Kathy Griffen, Shakespeare in the park ect... they certainly contribute to people feeling violence is legitimate. The right certainly would be justified to say "it isn't just us" right now but not justified to say "it is just them."

[BridgeTroll]

But WHY is it one sided Jeffrey... I will answer... it is one sided because of the unspoken or wink and nod approval of the left and media.  Obama was the target of hateful racist and violent words also... BUT THEY WERE DENOUNCED as such by virtually everyone... media and republicans included.  The climate has changed for the worse I'm afraid...

[BridgeTroll]

http://nypost.com/2017/06/14/political-death-threats-becoming-new-unsettling-normal/

here are some excerpts...

Think Kathy Griffin's severed head. Think Madonna telling a rally she thinks about blowing up the White House. Think Shakespeare in the Park using a Trump stand-in for Julius Caesar — and the audience loving the blood lust.

Did a single leading Democrat denounce any of these outrages as dangerous incitement? How about celebrated cultural figures or religious leaders or historians —

Conservatives invited to speak on college campuses are so routinely greeted with violent protests that it is no longer a big news story.

This is not to suggest that hatred for political figures is limited to the left. President Barack Obama, as a black man, was many times the target of racial prejudice from people on the right.

Yet a major difference was that all major American institutions, and virtually the entire political establishment, denounced that despicable animus when it surfaced. A united front against open expressions of racism held its ground.

The rage over his election, instead of waning, continues to gather steam. The fervent desire to be rid of him and anyone who supports him is expanding into dangerous dimensions.

[Adam White]

The climate has changed for the worse I'm afraid...

It's always nice to see a conservative acknowledge climate change.

[BridgeTroll]

The climate has changed for the worse I'm afraid...

It's always nice to see a conservative acknowledge climate change.

Oh I did that long ago...

[Adam White]

The climate has changed for the worse I'm afraid...

It's always nice to see a conservative acknowledge climate change.

Oh I did that long ago...

I actually figured you weren't a denier. But you made it too easy for me...

[JeffreyS]

But WHY is it one sided Jeffrey... I will answer... it is one sided because of the unspoken or wink and nod approval of the left and media.  Obama was the target of hateful racist and violent words also... BUT THEY WERE DENOUNCED as such by virtually everyone... media and republicans included.  The climate has changed for the worse I'm afraid...

The two big examples here recently Kathy Griffen and SITP have both garnered lots of coverage as inappropriate.  In fact the big bad liberal media cut ties with Kathy Griffen over her behavior.   Your right to point out that much of the anger on the left's side has been expressed in an unacceptable fashion.  IMO trying to change the argument from look at the results of the left's bad behavior to the left is solely (or mostly) responsible for the bad climate.  Is taking a winning position to a losing one for no good reason. However that is just an opinion and I am often about 50% on the prognostication scoreboard.