VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE HIGHWAY TRANSIT VEHICLE!

Started by Ocklawaha, August 29, 2008, 01:29:22 AM

Which option do you like to tie the transit line together in and near downtown?

DIESEL JTA TROLLEY
3 (14.3%)
ELECTRIC VINTAGE BUS
3 (14.3%)
DIESEL POTATO CHIP TRUCK
0 (0%)
ELECTRIC MODERN BUS
4 (19%)
ELECTRIC TROLLEY BUS
11 (52.4%)

Total Members Voted: 19

Voting closed: September 08, 2008, 01:29:22 AM

apvbguy

Quote from: Beloki on September 02, 2008, 10:58:20 AM
I want light rail (streetcar/tram) that can also use the skyway (a double system!)
I used to live in Rotterdam, The Netherlands. I never used the bussystem but I used the tram everyday. Ridership of the light rail exceeded that of the bussystem 10-fold !!

Why can't we ask a company like Siemens to do an assesment of the possibilities?

ask? Siemens like all companies are in business to make money, you can go hire them a consultant, but I would think their conclusions would be self serving.
There are many consulting firms out there that could be used and they would bring less bias to their conclusions.

one thing all the proponents of these transit schemes need reconcile is cost vs. rewards. In other words is investing is building a transit system viable from an economic standpoint? how many would it serve? where it would serve? I think we all can agree that that the current state of transit here in JAX is deficient but some of the ideas floating about are unfeasible.
Somethings I think are needed are long distance lines like a line serving the NAS JAX/17 corridor, a line from the beaches, a line to the airport and a line along the US 1 corridor. expansion of the skyway to feed users of these lines into the core, and of course expansion of the skyway to the sports complex. These coupled with park and ride stations would go a long way to easing congestion.
Other smaller, localized lines need to be fixed also, but can be possibly done with a beefed up bus system, lines to the san marco, 5 pt, avanodale and springfield areas are all vital, and maybe a streetcar/tram system could be viable on runs like these.
dreaming is fun and exciting, reality isn't as much fun, there are limited resources out there and how and where we use the monies available is very important.
Innovation is good but can we (JAX) afford to be the test model some unproven concepts? Let's get the biggest bang for our bucks and look at the best systems in use elsewhere and use them here.
Lastly for a large system to be viable it needs to be regional, JTA cannot be expected to provide leadership for such a system, a new regional transit agency should be created to create a viable system for the whole area.
When you put clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out

never argue with an idiot, he'll drag you down to his level and clobber you with his experience

kramer2k

Electric Trolley Bus gets my vote.

Although I do like the flexibility of a non-fixed option, like mentioned, resources are harder to come by in order to fund and sustain the operation.

I would LOVE to see some sort of high speed (relative, of course) option to the beaches.  It would be SO nice to be able to drive to San Marco then catch a ride to Atlantic Beach.  I seldomly frequent the beaches due to the traffic getting out there.

Ocklawaha

Quotedreaming is fun and exciting, reality isn't as much fun, there are limited resources out there and how and where we use the monies available is very important.
Innovation is good but can we (JAX) afford to be the test model some unproven concepts? Let's get the biggest bang for our bucks and look at the best systems in use elsewhere and use them here.
Lastly for a large system to be viable it needs to be regional, JTA cannot be expected to provide leadership for such a system, a new regional transit agency should be created to create a viable system for the whole area.

Don't think this is a dream. It will be shared with JTA's Director who is already cheering for change.

REGIONAL yes, but for the purpose of this survey, we are talking ONLY about DOWNTOWN and the surrounding area shuttles, Maybe a Beach shuttle or Regency-Town Center etc... but ONLY SHUTTLE type high frequency road traffic. Not quite the traffic stuff of streetcars or Commuter Rail but fast and frequent little downtown scoot services that tie the knot with the other modes as the become reality.

Think of these as what you'll catch AFTER the Skyway, or streetcar.


OCKLAWAHA

Ocklawaha

Come on EVERYONE has an opinion. We can vote this here and now and it will be passed on to JTA. Amazing stuff so far. Lot's of comments and information on each vehicle and lot's of opportunity to ask if your confused. JUST VOTE.

OCKLAWAHA