Russian Propagandists are Hard at Work Spinning Invasion as America's Fault 2008

[Midway ®]

http://justiceleague00.blogspot.com/2008/08/roves-yalta-european-strategy-summit.html

Rove was whispering into Saakashvili's ear, hoping to precipitate a full blown war between Georgia and Russia, which would divert voter's attention from the economy, and social woes, to reinvigorate the "cold war". If the election can be reframed so that the specter of communism and the USSR can dominate the election, McCain wins. Rove played Saakashvili like an English concertina. that's why he looked like all of his blood had been drained from him when he was standing next to Condi and signing the treaty, because he knew he had been double crossed. So now Rove is formulating US foreign policy as well, which would be a violation of federal law.

Is your source for this really a blog which cartoon characters as its masthead??   

You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel in an attempt to find "crimes" which the evil puppet-master, Rove, supposedly committed. 

Ok Rove was not there??

[Midway ®]

Why dont you dispute the facts? As you are fond of saying.

Where do you think that idea came from, anyway. Who in their right mind would go up against Russia without any backing?

Come on.

What exactly was rove doing there anyway? He shows up and boom! next thing you know theres a war.

[Midway ®]

And, Riverside, I will be sure to clear any communication I might be contemplating with you, prior to my contacting anyone.

Just one question, though, would it be alright to send emails to people NOT associated with Metrojacksionville without your approval, or should I clear ALL of my emails through you? What about phone calls?

Thanks.

Just go ahead and run any major decision by me first before you do anything.  Thanks.   

Please define what you mean by "major".  Would ordering pizza be considered major, or just the decision regarding toppings?

Both.  I think you need a little micromanaging right now.

And I'm sure that you are just the person to do that.

[RiversideGator]

http://justiceleague00.blogspot.com/2008/08/roves-yalta-european-strategy-summit.html

Rove was whispering into Saakashvili's ear, hoping to precipitate a full blown war between Georgia and Russia, which would divert voter's attention from the economy, and social woes, to reinvigorate the "cold war". If the election can be reframed so that the specter of communism and the USSR can dominate the election, McCain wins. Rove played Saakashvili like an English concertina. that's why he looked like all of his blood had been drained from him when he was standing next to Condi and signing the treaty, because he knew he had been double crossed. So now Rove is formulating US foreign policy as well, which would be a violation of federal law.

Is your source for this really a blog which cartoon characters as its masthead??   

You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel in an attempt to find "crimes" which the evil puppet-master, Rove, supposedly committed. 

Ok Rove was not there??

I need to see an independent media confirmation that he was there.  In any event however his presence does not prove that he orchestrated the Russian invasion of Georgia.  Sorry but that is a bit too far fetched for me.  Perhaps some evidence would be useful for you to post at this time.  You know like eyewitness witness testimony or documents or such.

[RiversideGator]

Ok.  We have confirmation that he was at the event.  This is not exactly the same thing as proving that he encouraged the Georgians to precipitate a Russian invasion of their country.  Keep blaming America first though.

BTW, wouldnt it be just as logical to assume that the Democrats are behind all of this?

key strategists of the leading U.S. political parties - Republican Mr Karl Rove and Democrat Mr Bob Shrum.

[uptowngirl]

I will ignore your invitation to leave, however, you may feel free to do so at any time. That is unless you are assuming management of this site, in which case I will go.

[civil42806]

What amazes me about this argument, is that some people beleive  its all about us (the us).  Other nations have there own motive and reasons for acting, its not necessarily because of what we did.  Looking at the russian invasion/response whatever you want to call it.  This was not a spur of the moment act.  You gather that many forces, have a plan and execute it within a couple of days. 

[Midway ®]

What amazes me about this argument, is that some people beleive  its all about us (the us).  Other nations have there own motive and reasons for acting, its not necessarily because of what we did.  Looking at the russian invasion/response whatever you want to call it.  This was not a spur of the moment act.  You gather that many forces, have a plan and execute it within a couple of days. 

There were not that many forces. The Georgians began an air assault on South Osettia, thinking (incredibly) that their good buddy Uncle Sam would be standing right behind them. Because this is what was being whispered to them by McCain's campaign adviser (Scheunemann, who is a lobbyist for Georgia) and Rove. Well, as he found out, uncle was standing behind him, way behind him.

You also have to understand that South Osettia considered itself to be part of Russia. so much so that Russia even issued all passports for South Osettia, so you would either have to be crazy to launch an attack against them, or be sure that the big dog is right behind you.

And by the way, true to form, McCain raised the issue of the Georgia-Russia conflict in his VFW speech today, right on schedule.  the only loser in this is poor Mikhail Shakashvili who learned an expensive lesson indeed.

[Midway ®]

Ok.  We have confirmation that he was at the event.  This is not exactly the same thing as proving that he encouraged the Georgians to precipitate a Russian invasion of their country.  Keep blaming America first though.

BTW, wouldnt it be just as logical to assume that the Democrats are behind all of this?

key strategists of the leading U.S. political parties - Republican Mr Karl Rove and Democrat Mr Bob Shrum.

Interesting how you twist things around.  They encouraged him to go on a land grab expedition, hinting that they were right behind him. It just turned out that he was played for a fool By Rove and Scheunemann and managed to precipitate a Russian invasion of his country, much to his surprise and chagrin. And as to your allegation that I am blaming America, last i heard neither Rove nor Scheunemann hold elective or appointed positions in the government of the United States of America, so, on the contrary, i blame them as rogue agents, not the USA, so lets not have you speak for me, ok?

And no, it would not be just as logical to assume that the democrats are behind all of this, because there is no motive, and they have nothing to gain from it, so sorry, that's a non-starter as well.

[RiversideGator]

What amazes me about this argument, is that some people beleive  its all about us (the us).  Other nations have there own motive and reasons for acting, its not necessarily because of what we did.  Looking at the russian invasion/response whatever you want to call it.  This was not a spur of the moment act.  You gather that many forces, have a plan and execute it within a couple of days. 

There were not that many forces. The Georgians began an air assault on South Osettia, thinking (incredibly) that their good buddy Uncle Sam would be standing right behind them. Because this is what was being whispered to them by McCain's campaign adviser (Scheunemann, who is a lobbyist for Georgia) and Rove. Well, as he found out, uncle was standing behind him, way behind him.

You also have to understand that South Osettia considered itself to be part of Russia. so much so that Russia even issued all passports for South Osettia, so you would either have to be crazy to launch an attack against them, or be sure that the big dog is right behind you.

And by the way, true to form, McCain raised the issue of the Georgia-Russia conflict in his VFW speech today, right on schedule.  the only loser in this is poor Mikhail Shakashvili who learned an expensive lesson indeed.

Interesting theory, midway.  Any evidence or sources other than fevered left wing blogs?

[RiversideGator]

Ya know, Midway, your grasp of detail astounds me sometimes.

His grasp of fiction is even better.   

[RiversideGator]

If you make the argument, you better be prepared to back it up with proof.  Otherwise, it will be considered the work of fiction which midway's theory is.

[BridgeTroll]

Here is why I discount the "Rove started the war" theory...  Using the Wikipedia Stephen provided here are some facts...

The Georgian government said the troops had been sent to end the shelling of Georgian civilians by South Ossetian secessionists.

Russia responded the next day by large scale bombardment of Georgian military and civilian targets by sending troops and armor into South Ossetia

In the opinion of the independent Russian military analyst Pavel Felgenhauer, "Russia's invasion of Georgia had been planned in advance, with the final political decision to complete the preparations and start war in August apparently having been made back in April."

The Russians have clearly been planning this for a long time.  This invasion and decimation of the Georgian military has served as a warning to both Georgia and Ukraine to reconsider entry into NATO.  It also serves as warning to other former Soviet republics and Warsaw pact nations that Russia will not stand idly by while they consider entry into NATO.

Had Russian troops stopped at the Ossetia-Georgia border a case could have been made for a simple defense of Russian citizens in Ossetia.  In my view the Georgians were goaded into attack to give Russia the excuse they needed...

[Charleston native]

^ Much better analysis, BridgeTroll, and far less biased. I think that is what happened as well; Russia is merely flexing its muscles to intimidate smaller countries like Georgia and the Ukraine. The strategy makes sense as well...intimidation is the SOP for Russia, and has been for years. It still cannot shake the culture of communism that has poisoned the government there.

Putin was prior KGB. Talk about power-hungry...

[RiversideGator]

It is a theory.  River.  Certainly more researched than any of the crackpot nonsense others have posted.

At least Midway took the time and bother to know what the hell he was talking about.

You simply make yourself foolish by demanding that other people look up easily verified facts for you, only to find out that they were the top search return for google.

Even if you had a point, which you usually don't  (Merely to regurgitate whatever sounded 'conservative' on Drudge Report that day seems to be your only aim insofar as i can tell)  wouldnt your questions be better spent on things that actually challenge the opposing viewpoint?

Now you have committed to calling Midway's theory a 'work of fiction' not based on ANY objective evidence, but solely on your own prejudices.

Prove that Midways theory is fiction River.  I want to see links and quotes.

Prove it.

1)  I cant prove a negative.
2)  It is the job of the person propounding the theory to prove it.  It is not the job of the person who doubts it to disprove it.