One of the Conservative Bitters Planned Mass Murder of Christian Congregation.

Started by stephendare, July 28, 2008, 03:51:04 PM

uptowngirl

What does any of this have to do with some poor unfortunate people getting shot in KY by some WACKO nut job?

Midway ®

Quote from: RiversideGator on July 29, 2008, 06:35:53 PM
Sorry.  Meeting with officials of foreign governments is not in any way analogous to condoning domestic terrorism or applauding murderous ideologues.

Talk about turning a sow's ear into a silk purse!


This event is a parable about hatred, both political and religious as well as the mental illness that extremist nationalistic rhetoric can cause in low normal individuals, wherein the additional pressures of a downwardly spiraling economy can be the tipping point in driving these people to become homicidal.

And remember, there's lots of people just like him waiting to snap. they just need the right combination of circumstances and a nice automatic weapon.

There are lessons to be learned here, but most will just turn a blind eye.

Driven1

Quote from: stephendare on July 28, 2008, 11:38:17 PM
Was his flesh the physical flesh of God?

Or was his Spirit?

What was it that made him actually Divine?  What part or aspect of him was "Divine"  and how would you explain that?

He was God, in the flesh and in spirit at the same time.  He was God in every way imaginable - even while on earth and in the flesh.  Fully and completely.  We know this from Colossians.

Colossians 1:19 - "For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,"

QuoteIf he was physically divine, then why bother with the human birth process?   Why did he die?

First, why bother with the human birth process? 

One answer is to fulfil the prophecies set forth from LONG before.  God always keeps His promises.  It was common knowledge among the Jews that God had promised His Messiah would come from the line of King David.  2 Samuel 7:16 - "Your house and your kingdom shall endure forever before me; your throne shall be established forever."  The Jews knew that David would die (he did) and so for God to fulfill his promise to the Jews, the Messiah would have to be a linear descendent of David. 

Also, God HAD to come to earth through his Son to fufill the law of God and as a sin sacrifice. 

Romans 8:3 - "For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,"

No ordinary man could ever - and has never - keep the law of God.  Therefore God had to come Himself to fulfill the law and make a way of salvation, "first for the Jews and then for the Gentiles". 

And why did he die?

He died that we may have life.  Before Christ, we are all "dead in our sins" (Eph 2:1) and under the condemnation of God (Romans 1:18) due to our inability to fulfill the law. 

Christ made "propitiation for the sins of the people".  That is, on the cross, he satisfied the just and holy wrath of God that God would have otherwise poured out on all of humanity.  Through Christ He made a way for reconciliation of mankind to Himself for those who believe in Him (Acts 16:31), receive Him (John 1:12), repent from sin (Acts 3:19), continue in His word (John 8:31) and obey Him (Hebrews 5:9).  And none of this through efforts of our own, but rather "by grace through faith" in Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8 ).

Romans 5:11 - "And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation."


Lunican



Driven1

Quote from: stephendare on July 29, 2008, 11:19:39 PM
So the human Flesh itself was made of the substance of God, and therefore divine?

Would that extend to his tears, fingernail clippings, cut hair and sweat?

fully man AND fully God, so yes.

BridgeTroll

I meant to ask the much earlier... what or who are "conservative bitters"?
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Charleston native

Quote from: stephendare on July 29, 2008, 11:28:48 PM
So surely if the flesh of Jesus was not human but Divine, what would be the quality that would indicate its divinity?
Interesting question. One of the qualities would be miraculous healing, and that indeed did occur, according to the Gospels. In fact, because of Christ's flesh being divine, his clothes exhibited that same power. Case in point, read Mark 5:24-29 (NIV):
QuoteA large crowd followed and pressed around him. And a woman was there who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years. She had suffered a great deal under the care of many doctors and had spent all she had, yet instead of getting better she grew worse. When she heard about Jesus, she came up behind him in the crowd and touched his cloak, because she thought, "If I just touch his clothes, I will be healed." Immediately her bleeding stopped and she felt in her body that she was freed from her suffering.


RiversideGator

Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 30, 2008, 06:57:31 AM
I meant to ask the much earlier... what or who are "conservative bitters"?

These are those voters who had or will have the unmitigated nerve to vote against the messiah Obama.

BridgeTroll

Quote from: stephendare on July 30, 2008, 12:03:53 PM
Quote from: RiversideGator on July 30, 2008, 11:46:29 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on July 30, 2008, 06:57:31 AM
I meant to ask the much earlier... what or who are "conservative bitters"?

These are those voters who had or will have the unmitigated nerve to vote against the messiah Obama.

Just can't help being a viper can you?

Bitter is the name that ironically stuck when Obama characterized the poor and unemployed bitter people who cling to guns during the race in Pennsylvania.  Originally it referred to democratic voters.

It has since come to mean the angry and not necessarily educated working class of ever political stripe.  It doesnt include the non angry non bitter people though.

Ah... OK... I had not heard the term before... used in that context.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

RiversideGator

To paraphrase Barack, he referred to the "bitter people who live in small town America with no economic hope so they cling to their guns and religion".  This was a great political move to win over small town and rural voters and a typically condescending remark from His Majesty, the anointed one.   :D

BridgeTroll

Quote from: stephendare on July 30, 2008, 12:13:59 PM
its a pretty smart alecky term to use.   

A vice I absorb from the archer corners of the blogosphere, Im afraid.

lol... I have my vices also...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

RiversideGator

McCain is unsuited to hold office but Barack Obama is?  Good one.   :D :D

RiversideGator

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I never condone killing someone except in wartime or self-defense so this clearly a heinous crime.  I never defended it.  Nice try throwing up a smokescreen though.