Lenny Curry wants state money to remove Hart Bridge ramps near Everbank Field

[williamcolledge]

Is there any way to see an early proposal for the location/design of the Bay Street on-ramp? 

[Keith-N-Jax]

Good news although I will miss the views coming into the city from that direction. Be nice to see that entire area develop nicely.

[Tacachale]

A.G. Gankarski from Florida Politics got a pic from the meeting. I can't read what it says, though.



http://floridapolitics.com/archives/228086-jacksonville-wants-state-help-on-hart-expressway-ramp-mods

[Keith-N-Jax]

So the red highlighted part is what they will take down? That will open up that area considerably

[thelakelander]

Interesting. So the ramps over Hogans Creek would remain as a two-way elevated road and an elevated jogging trail (aka NYC High Line).

[acme54321]

Not a fan of leaving those other ramps....

[thelakelander]

Click on the link and you can get a much larger image:

http://3o15h033zmpwracwx2i00rqx.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/FullSizeRender-10-3500x1909.jpg

[vicupstate]

Not a fan of leaving those other ramps....

+1

[acme54321]

Looking at the rendering, it's even worse.  They really think it's a good idea to waste all of that waterfront space for those ramps?

[Steve]

Not a fan of leaving those other ramps....

Agreed - it's like they're trying to do a NYC high line sort of thing, which I don't know that I agree with. It's an interesting concept, but the uses around there aren't really conducive to a high line atmosphere (residential/retail/etc). There isn't even the building fabric around it to encourage adaptive reuse in that regard.

I definitely don't think the two lane road is needed. Are they planning on turning Adams two way? As laid out, there would be next to no one using it going east as Adams is a westbound road, and I'm not sure how it's more efficient to use the west road either. Stadium exit strategy perhaps? That's the only thing I can come up with.

Maybe it was a way to cut cost? Otherwise, it looks like it's solely to get that part of the land for Shad Khan to create a stadium entertainment area. You'd have clear fro  Georgia Street to the L turn at Bay/Gator Bowl Blvd.

I like the merging into Bay Street from the Hart Bridge part, but I'd say do it right and get rid of all of the ramps west of APR as well. Then, restructure the reclaimed land on the block bounded by Liberty/Forsyth/Adams/Jail and see if you can work with Maxwell House to really connect the area - right now you sort of have two areas, Downtown and the Sports Complex, separated by Hogan's Creek. It would be great to join them together well and (save for the environmental issues) open it up for development.

Though, if they just did this it WOULD be a step in the right direction.

[JaxAvondale]

I actually like converting the ramp to a pedestrain walkway/bridge. People could eat downtown then walk over to the sports district for their show or sporting event.

[Bill Hoff]

Otherwise, it looks like it's solely to get that part of the land for Shad Khan to create a stadium entertainment area.

If it wasn't obvious enough already, yes.

[brainstormer]

I don't understand the purpose in leaving the ramps on the western end. Why would someone walk out of the way up and down a ramp instead of just walking down Bay Street? Take down the ramps and then let's talk about improving connectivity between the urban core and the stadium district.

Now perhaps if there was a plan to create a real bike path that went from the stadium district along Hogan's Creek towards Springfield, I might give that some thought.

[thelakelander]

They are probably there because the focus may not be from a holistic approach.  If all the focus is on Metropolitan Park, then the rest maybe an afterthought.  With that in mind, if the plan is to repurpose that section, they should scrap the road and see if it's worth being an elevated support platform for a Skyway extension to A. Philip Randolph. If so, all they'd need to do is figure out how to get it from Hogan to Liberty (6 blocks).

[acme54321]

People could eat downtown then walk over to the sports district for their show or sporting event.

You can do that now without going out walking down some ramp park that would be taking you out of your way.  It would be super pleasant to walk on from may to October too.