Hillary Clinton Drops Out...What Happens?

[Adam White]

Methinks the tinfoil hat is on a bit too tightly.

[Kerry]

I am not asking anyone else to believe it; just stating what I believe.  What convinced me was her health issue on 9/11 and the use of the blue sunglasses immediately after.  But my unprofessional diagnoses not withstanding, my question still stands.

If she knows she has a health issue that could impact her ability to perform as President do you think she should step aside or just keep going?

[Kerry]

Incidentally, the posters on the site are pretty much all over the field in terms of political affiliation and leaning.

In terms of active posters, there is a slightly higher number of republicans, with a few fringe politics posters here and there.

Check out this primer on Parkinsons.  Perhaps it will keep you from future diagnoses.

Can you provide the link?  Thanks.

[Tacachale]

I am not asking anyone else to believe it; just stating what I believe.  What convinced me was her health issue on 9/11 and the use of the blue sunglasses immediately after.  But my unprofessional diagnoses not withstanding, my question still stands.

If she knows she has a health issue that could impact her ability to perform as President do you think she should step aside or just keep going?

Why should we bother answering a question that's entirely contingent on an "unprofessional diagnosis" that no one is expected to believe?

[Kerry]

Why should we bother answering a question that's entirely contingent on an "unprofessional diagnosis" that no one is expected to believe?

Here, let me show you how to do it.

But its like asking if Donald Trump knows he has early onset alzheimers (the good brain comments are troubling, as are the stuttering, the confusion, the sudden appearance of not knowing where he is or whats going on) shouldn't he drop out now?

Reagan was apparently in full blown early stage Alzheimers during his second term.  Should he have quit ant let Bush Sr. take the reins?

If Donald Trump has been told by a doctor he has Alzheimer's he absolutely should drop out now.  If Reagan was diagnosed while in office he should have absolutely stepped aside - even if he was forced to.  The Country is bigger than any one person's ambitions.

See, that wasn't so hard to do.

[Adam White]

Well it depends on how severe the illness is.

Three of the most beloved presidents of the past century were physically debilitated.

Roosevelt had Polio, Jack Kennedy suffered from traumatic back injuries and was doped up on painkillers 24 hours a day, and Reagan had Alzheimers.

I don't know if health is as cut and dried as the question implies, so I would have to say 'Maybe'.

Kennedy also had Addison's disease.

I agree - maybe. Depends.

I don't think it's right to have a President with dementia. But other illnesses or conditions might not impact the person's ability to do the job.

[spuwho]

Hilz does suffer from a disease called "Potomac Dementia".

Its a disease that causes selective forgetfullness at key times when recall of decisions or laws are required. 

I have heard that there is no cure for this type of dementia but that it has been known to go into remission when funds for a memoir or speaking engagement becomes available.

[spuwho]

Well it depends on how severe the illness is.

Three of the most beloved presidents of the past century were physically debilitated.

Roosevelt had Polio, Jack Kennedy suffered from traumatic back injuries and was doped up on painkillers 24 hours a day, and Reagan had Alzheimers.

I don't know if health is as cut and dried as the question implies, so I would have to say 'Maybe'.

Using linguistic biomarkers and voice analytics, they have concluded that President Reagan was beginning to show signs of dementia part way through his second term, but not Alzheimer's.

Researchers didnt pick Reagan outright, they needed a sample of people who have a high degree of recorded material over the same age and era as others.

Compared to Bush 1, results show he clearly exhibited a change in the last term.

I haven't heard if they have run a sample on Hilz yet, but it was really designed to test older football players for signs of brain impairment.

But Reagan's sample will help in the diagnosis of others.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/health/parsing-ronald-reagans-words-for-early-signs-of-alzheimers.html

[Tacachale]

Well it depends on how severe the illness is.

Three of the most beloved presidents of the past century were physically debilitated.

Roosevelt had Polio, Jack Kennedy suffered from traumatic back injuries and was doped up on painkillers 24 hours a day, and Reagan had Alzheimers.

I don't know if health is as cut and dried as the question implies, so I would have to say 'Maybe'.

Using linguistic biomarkers and voice analytics, they have concluded that President Reagan was beginning to show signs of dementia part way through his second term, but not Alzheimer's.

Researchers didnt pick Reagan outright, they needed a sample of people who have a high degree of recorded material over the same age and era as others.

Compared to Bush 1, results show he clearly exhibited a change in the last term.

I haven't heard if they have run a sample on Hilz yet, but it was really designed to test older football players for signs of brain impairment.

But Reagan's sample will help in the diagnosis of others.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/health/parsing-ronald-reagans-words-for-early-signs-of-alzheimers.html

Correct. The study was searching his speeches for potential changes over time that may be early markers of the dementia he later developed. Using GHW Bush as a control, as he hasn't developed Alzheimer's, they found that his speeches did change in specific ways that could help in early diagnosis in the future. It's a really impressive study, and offers some great hope for those with neurological disorders in the family.

Neither this study nor previous ones claim to have found evidence that Reagan had dementia or had otherwise degenerated to the point of being impaired during his term. At least, not the ones written by people who know what they're talking about. As we've seen, people who don't know what they're talking can find all the evidence they want to make their "diagnoses".

[peestandingup]

As we've seen, people who don't know what they're talking can find all the evidence they want to make their "diagnoses".

Reagan also wasn't having coughing fits on/off for months straight, stumbling, needing help walking up just a few steps, going extra light on the campaign trail (rallies, interviews, 270 some days without a press conference, etc) & just displaying lots of weird behavior & ticks. And giving excuses ranging everywhere from allergies, to overheating (in 78 degree weather), to needing to drink more water.

She probably does have pneumonia currently (who even knows at this point), but I don't believe that's all that's going on with her. What that is I won't even speculate because I'm no doctor & its not my place to, but its something.

BTW, this isn't a knock on her. I hope she gets well honestly. But if she's not well enough to continue (and possibly be Pres) she should say so for the sake of everyone. The President works for us essentially, so if your employee has something going on health wise, we outta know.

[spuwho]

As we've seen, people who don't know what they're talking can find all the evidence they want to make their "diagnoses".

Reagan also wasn't having coughing fits on/off for months straight, stumbling, needing help walking up just a few steps, going extra light on the campaign trail (rallies, interviews, 270 some days without a press conference, etc) & just displaying lots of weird behavior & ticks. And giving excuses ranging everywhere from allergies, to overheating (in 78 degree weather), to needing to drink more water.

She probably does have pneumonia currently (who even knows at this point), but I don't believe that's all that's going on with her. What that is I won't even speculate because I'm no doctor & its not my place to, but its something.

BTW, this isn't a knock on her. I hope she gets well honestly. But if she's not well enough to continue (and possibly be Pres) she should say so for the sake of everyone. The President works for us essentially, so if your employee has something going on health wise, we outta know.

As I noted earlier, she will be 6 feet under before she "gives up".

I wasnt looking for a cover up when she went silent, but more frustrated that she wasnt on the campaign trail. I do believe that is what gave Bernie his window.

Call it illness, call it over confidence, call it whatever.

For a press that follows her every move, hearing "nothing" was really odd.

[Adam White]

You people will believe whatever you want to, as long as it fits your agenda.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37090082

[spuwho]

You people will believe whatever you want to, as long as it fits your agenda.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37090082

Asking about a candidates health is not an agenda. Its a standard campaign issue. Unfortunately, in the state of our press cycle, when someone chooses not to disclose, members of the press will start the information replacement method to force the person of interest to correct the record.

I still remember the grilling Bush 1 got on his health all because of Dan Quayle. Bush 1 is now in his 90's and still marginally active.

How much grief did President Carter get when he passed out running in a race?

And yes, the noise on Reagan during his debates with Mondale where facts were hard to recall brought out the durability questions.

The twitter/Fox/Drudge attacks wouldnt gain weight if her campaign had suitable counter material to offset it. This is the world we live in now unfortunately.

[Adam White]

You people will believe whatever you want to, as long as it fits your agenda.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37090082

Asking about a candidates health is not an agenda. Its a standard campaign issue. Unfortunately, in the state of our press cycle, when someone chooses not to disclose, members of the press will start the information replacement method to force the person of interest to correct the record.

I still remember the grilling Bush 1 got on his health all because of Dan Quayle. Bush 1 is now in his 90's and still marginally active.

How much grief did President Carter get when he passed out running in a race?

And yes, the noise on Reagan during his debates with Mondale where facts were hard to recall brought out the durability questions.

The twitter/Fox/Drudge attacks wouldnt gain weight if her campaign had suitable counter material to offset it. This is the world we live in now unfortunately.

Asking about a candidate's health is not an agenda. Repeating made-up conspiracies about a candidate's health does reflect an agenda. There is nothing to substantiate the rumours - rumours started by Alex Jones and other, equally 'reliable' people - yet they are repeated over and over and taken as evidence by those who wish to believe.

Earlier in this thread, a poster commented that Clinton has been stumbling, having trouble walking up steps, etc. So he clearly believes it, even when the record shows otherwise (or offers an explanation).

It's pathetic, really.

[avonjax]

So much s*&t has been thrown at the Clinton family that a health conspiracy is not a surprise. After decades of right wing propaganda and accusations at least some are going to stick. Gullible people believe much of what they are fed and the feeding machine against Hillary is deplorable.  Where is the outrage against Colin Powell for his email that reveals he used a private email to avoid the eyes of the State Department? What about the thousands of deleted emails from the Bush years? It's not Hillary so who gives a crap. Where is the outrage over the Trump Foundation? Where is the outrage over Trump University? Where is the outrage over Trump's praise of Putin?

It should be required reading of the following: http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/donald-trump-foreign-business-deals-national-security-498081.html



....and the following:  http://video.gq.com/watch/176-reasons-donald-trump-shouldn-t-be-president

But the real news?  Hillary coughs!!!!!   Hillary has pneumonia!!!!    Hillary calls white supremacists and KKK a basket of deplorables!!!!!!
The Clinton Foundation only gives 89 per cent of their donations to help children and the most needy people on earth!!!!!     

Oh and I forgot Bill got a bj and Hillary didn't pull a Lorena Bobbitt so she's the bad guy here!!!!!

SICK OF IT!!!!!!