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Opinion: The Case for Trump

Started by Metro Jacksonville, July 26, 2016, 03:00:03 AM

Adam White

Quote from: I-10east on February 21, 2017, 05:12:31 AM
The liberal mainstream media makes Fox News (liberals constant mentioned nemesis) look like centrist. Im so glad that the mainstream media is being called out on it's BS. Even Bernie joked the other day that CNN is fake news.

There's a difference between biased reporting and fake news. Fake news is stuff that is made up with the intent to deceive. Being reckless and running a story based on information that hasn't been properly vetted is poor journalism, but it's not fake news. And Donald Trump calls anything fake news if it is critical of him or casts him in a bad light.

Bernie Sanders made a joke - but the joke was not that CNN was 'fake news' but that Trump seems to think it is. Trump was the butt of that joke, not CNN.
"If you're going to play it out of tune, then play it out of tune properly."

BridgeTroll

Wha??!!  Biased reporting?  I  feel faint...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

vicupstate

Quote from: I-10east on February 21, 2017, 05:12:31 AM
The liberal mainstream media makes Fox News (liberals constant mentioned nemesis) look like centrist. Im so glad that the mainstream media is being called out on it's BS. Even Bernie joked the other day that CNN is fake news.

FOX is a non-stop propaganda machine for the GOP posing as journalism. Right wing radio is even worse. There is no left-leaning outlet that even comes close to that. You are deluding yourself.

Fox donated money to an arm of the Republican party, which violates every tenant of journalism objectivity, so how in the hell do they have ANY credibility is beyond me.       
"The problem with quotes on the internet is you can never be certain they're authentic." - Abraham Lincoln

fsquid

Quote from: MusicMan on February 18, 2017, 09:07:39 AM
Donald Trump says (via Twitter): 

"The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!" he wrote."

The extraordinary irony here is that the American Media gave Trump his 'bona fides" as a TV Personality via "THE APPRENTICE" and also gave him roughly half a billion dollars in free publicity over the 16 months prior to the 2016 Election.

So in this case , I agree with him 100%.  He is President largely because of the shortcomings of the for profit America media machine.

well if you notice, he didn't tweet @NBC, he only tweeted at the news division.  He knows where the checks come from.

fsquid

Quote from: vicupstate on February 21, 2017, 08:26:04 AM
Quote from: I-10east on February 21, 2017, 05:12:31 AM
The liberal mainstream media makes Fox News (liberals constant mentioned nemesis) look like centrist. Im so glad that the mainstream media is being called out on it's BS. Even Bernie joked the other day that CNN is fake news.

FOX is a non-stop propaganda machine for the GOP posing as journalism. Right wing radio is even worse. There is no left-leaning outlet that even comes close to that. You are deluding yourself.

Fox donated money to an arm of the Republican party, which violates every tenant of journalism objectivity, so how in the hell do they have ANY credibility is beyond me.     

They all suck to some degree and its not just Fox News that donates.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/17/journalists-overwhelmingly-donate-clinton-trump/

vicupstate

Quote from: fsquid on February 21, 2017, 10:35:33 AM
Quote from: vicupstate on February 21, 2017, 08:26:04 AM
Quote from: I-10east on February 21, 2017, 05:12:31 AM
The liberal mainstream media makes Fox News (liberals constant mentioned nemesis) look like centrist. Im so glad that the mainstream media is being called out on it's BS. Even Bernie joked the other day that CNN is fake news.



FOX is a non-stop propaganda machine for the GOP posing as journalism. Right wing radio is even worse. There is no left-leaning outlet that even comes close to that. You are deluding yourself.

Fox donated money to an arm of the Republican party, which violates every tenant of journalism objectivity, so how in the hell do they have ANY credibility is beyond me.     

They all suck to some degree and its not just Fox News that donates.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/17/journalists-overwhelmingly-donate-clinton-trump/

From a Journalism ethics standpoint, there is a big difference between a individual journalist making a personal donation and a journalism outlet making a corporate campaign contribution.  Within an organization there are multiple people that do the job of reporting the news, each of whom brings their own political beliefs and preferences with them. However, they should all strive to eliminate their personal beliefs in their reporting.  The organization is expected to put a wall of separation between it's revenue functions and personnel vs. its reporting functions and personnel. Likewise, they are expected to adhere to non-partisanship in political concerns.         
"The problem with quotes on the internet is you can never be certain they're authentic." - Abraham Lincoln

I-10east

I can provide video after video of all of the fake news spouted for mainstream media (CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, HLN and others). The leftist news sources are extremely powerful; Although the Fox News Channel can obviously be biased and is large, comparing Fox to the others on the left is like comparing one city to a megalopolis. The liberal media use to tactically hide behind bias, now they dont give a damn. This outspoken and slanted way of 'reporting' spilled over to social media, entertainment like MTV and even sports. There's no secret that the liberal media is faltering in ratings, while alternative media online is surging.


Adam White

Quote from: I-10east on February 22, 2017, 09:47:21 PM
I can provide video after video of all of the fake news spouted for mainstream media (CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, HLN and others). The leftist news sources are extremely powerful; Although the Fox News Channel can obviously be biased and is large, comparing Fox to the others on the left is like comparing one city to a megalopolis. The liberal media use to tactically hide behind bias, now they dont give a damn. This outspoken and slanted way of 'reporting' spilled over to social media, entertainment like MTV and even sports. There's no secret that the liberal media is faltering in ratings, while alternative media online is surging.

I'd argue that social media is influencing traditional media, not the other way around. I think it has led to a decline in quality and journalistic standards - traditional media outlets are competing against Twitter, et al and the desire not to be beaten to a story ("scooped" as it were) has resulted in a lot of incorrect information being disseminated.
"If you're going to play it out of tune, then play it out of tune properly."

MusicMan

#69
"I can provide video after video of all of the fake news spouted for mainstream media (CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, HLN and others). The leftist news sources are extremely powerful; Although the Fox News Channel can obviously be biased and is large, comparing Fox to the others on the left is like comparing one city to a megalopolis. The liberal media use to tactically hide behind bias, now they dont give a damn. This outspoken and slanted way of 'reporting' spilled over to social media, entertainment like MTV and even sports. There's no secret that the liberal media is faltering in ratings, while alternative media online is surging."

I would dispute every single thing you say in this quote. Every detail, every assumption.  Your just wrong. And that's OK. I assume you are a Trump supporter, or at least a conservative.  And that's ok too. Trump had his people come out and say his inauguration was the most watched in person, ever. That was a blatant lie. Trump has said "global warming is a hoax perpetuated by the Chinese." Another lie.
Trump claimed his electoral college victory was one of the largest ever. Not sure why he says things like this, it just makes him (and his supporters) look stupid.  BUT THESE ARE VERY TYPICAL OF HOW TRUMP OPERATES. When you run a campaign and your Presidency on half truths and horse shit, you wind up knee deep (or deeper) in it. Time will prove this to be true. Just watch.

Trump's tactic is to repeat his lies and half truths until many people start to believe them. And for the most part the "liberal media" regurgitates it. That's a shame but the truth. It's like the myth of the liberal media. This myth was created and perpetuated by right wing conservatives who got sick of news that did not support their line of thinking, or political view. One of my favorite Trump moments in the last few years was the birther movement. He claimed at the time, "I've got people in Hawaii, you won't believe what they are discovering."
Well, they never discovered anything,there was never a follow up press conference where he revealed all the "things" they found . Because it was all a lie. Another sham he pulled over on all the people who wanted to believe it was true, or possible. It's a popular conservative and liberal technique. State something which you want people to believe, over and over again, like "there is a liberal left wing media bias out there", or "the planet is always warming, it's not human activity which is accelerating it", even though no facts actually back it up, but keep on repeating it, because many people who want to believe will accept it as truth. 

So while there is no left wing liberal media bias out there, you can go on believing it. Have a nice day.

fsquid

Quote from: vicupstate on February 21, 2017, 10:54:19 AM
Quote from: fsquid on February 21, 2017, 10:35:33 AM
Quote from: vicupstate on February 21, 2017, 08:26:04 AM
Quote from: I-10east on February 21, 2017, 05:12:31 AM
The liberal mainstream media makes Fox News (liberals constant mentioned nemesis) look like centrist. Im so glad that the mainstream media is being called out on it's BS. Even Bernie joked the other day that CNN is fake news.



FOX is a non-stop propaganda machine for the GOP posing as journalism. Right wing radio is even worse. There is no left-leaning outlet that even comes close to that. You are deluding yourself.

Fox donated money to an arm of the Republican party, which violates every tenant of journalism objectivity, so how in the hell do they have ANY credibility is beyond me.     

They all suck to some degree and its not just Fox News that donates.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/17/journalists-overwhelmingly-donate-clinton-trump/

From a Journalism ethics standpoint, there is a big difference between a individual journalist making a personal donation and a journalism outlet making a corporate campaign contribution.  Within an organization there are multiple people that do the job of reporting the news, each of whom brings their own political beliefs and preferences with them. However, they should all strive to eliminate their personal beliefs in their reporting.  The organization is expected to put a wall of separation between it's revenue functions and personnel vs. its reporting functions and personnel. Likewise, they are expected to adhere to non-partisanship in political concerns.       

I'm sure you can.  From a common sense, this shit stinks perspective, I think its just another tick against the media on all channels.

fsquid

Quote from: Adam White on February 23, 2017, 03:47:17 AM
Quote from: I-10east on February 22, 2017, 09:47:21 PM
I can provide video after video of all of the fake news spouted for mainstream media (CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, HLN and others). The leftist news sources are extremely powerful; Although the Fox News Channel can obviously be biased and is large, comparing Fox to the others on the left is like comparing one city to a megalopolis. The liberal media use to tactically hide behind bias, now they dont give a damn. This outspoken and slanted way of 'reporting' spilled over to social media, entertainment like MTV and even sports. There's no secret that the liberal media is faltering in ratings, while alternative media online is surging.

I'd argue that social media is influencing traditional media, not the other way around. I think it has led to a decline in quality and journalistic standards - traditional media outlets are competing against Twitter, et al and the desire not to be beaten to a story ("scooped" as it were) has resulted in a lot of incorrect information being disseminated.

I completely agree.

fsquid

QuoteSo while there is no left wing liberal media bias out there, you can go on believing it. Have a nice day.

Of course there is and there is right wing media bias out there too.  Hence why people have to get out of their echo chamber and read a few different perspectives and make their own damn decision.

BridgeTroll

Not surprisingly... there is more than enough biased news for anyone and everyone.  Please pick your poison... 8)

https://www.axios.com/politics/

QuoteSara Fischer  Shannon Vavra  6 hrs ago
FEATURED
The recent explosion of right-wing news sites

Axios mapped the launch date of 89 news websites over the past quarter century. The data shows there has been an explosion of right-leaning news sites, coinciding with the rise of the Tea Party and alt-right movements beginning in 2010. Many of these sites, in turn, were instrumental in spreading pro-Trump news during the 2016 elections.

QuoteDigital outlet foundings by ideology, 1993-2015          BLUE = Left Leaning         Beige = Mainstream          Orange = Right Leaning

Data: Staff research; Chart: Lazaro Gamio / Axios

The data also shows a similar rise in left-leaning news sites during the Bush Administration and the launch of the Iraq war in 2003. Overall, while there has been a large increase in the number of new news sites over the past 20 years, almost all of them have a partisan angle.

Why it matters: According to experts, digital technology has made it easier to exploit the political divisions that have always existed. Sarah Sobieraj, associate professor of Sociology at Tufts University, told CNN there has been an increase in political polarization in the U.S., but not nearly enough to account for this development. "The technological, regulatory, and media space has shifted into one in which this is profitable, and profit is the driving force."

How they profit: Google and Facebook's algorithmically-driven news distribution platforms have created an environment in which:

a) partisan news sites can easily reach fringe audiences, and
b) news sites are financially incentivized to tilt one way or another.
Facebook, in particular, algorithmically favors content that appeals to user bias and interest. According to comScore Vice President Andrew Lipsman, to elicit high engagement and repeat visitation, "sites must usually speak to a very specific audience." Although this limits the appeal to a broader readership, it creates a sustained and engaged audience that appeals to advertisers.
The Bush burst: The launch of some left-leaning news sites during the Bush Administration captured audiences opposed to the administration's policies, primarily the Iraq War. John Amato, founder and publisher of the liberal, progressive news blog Crooks and Liars, tells Axios he started the site in September of 2004 because he thought that mainstream media wasn't critical enough of the Bush Administration, and he felt motivated to speak out.

The Obama opposition: According to Greg Mueller, president of CRC Public Relations, which has been representing conservative-leaning clients for decades, the rise of right-wing sites around the rise of the Tea Party movement came from the notion that the mainstream media was not fairly covering the scandals in the Obama Administration, like Fast-and-Furious and Benghazi. Vince Coglianese, editor-in-chief of The Daily Caller, which launched in 2010, said the founders, Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel, started the site because they saw a tremendous market opportunity where a conservative news site could report on news with a different form of selection bias. "A different news outlet could come in and report on stories that people weren't seeing covered by mainstream outlets," he said.

What to watch: The same profit motive that created and helped sustain ideological news sites led to the creation of fake news sites. As Google and Facebook figure out their response to being the conduit for all those ad dollars for fake news sites, it might change the business models for ideological sites as well.

In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

fsquid

so ramping up private prisons the same day as saying you are going to crackdown on rec marijuana use?  That's not a coincidence.