Obama's Ties to Marxists...Not Just "Speculation" Anymore

[Charleston native]

Uh, no.

On both counts.

[Driven1]

Charleston, is this last statement from your years of membership in the Black Panthers?

stevie...i think YOU are the authority on Black Pantherdom...didn't you tell us where all the "whiteys" live?  on the southside and ponte vedra, right?

[jaxnative]

......Georges Sorel, the French engineer turned intellectual, who pioneered the idea that the masses needed myths to be moved to action.  Recognizing that Marxism, like all social science, rarely panned out in real life, Sorel married William James's will to believe to Nietzsche's will to power and applied them to mass psychology.  Revolutionaries didn't need to understand the reality of Marxism;  they didn't need to believe in the myth of Marxism (or nationalism, syndicalism, fascism, and so on).  "To concern oneself with social science is one thing, and to mold consciousness is another",  he wrote.  Passion, not facts, was the fuel for action.  "It is faith(change for change's sake, "yes we can") that moves mountains, not reason,"  Mussolini explained in a 1932 interview(echoing Woodrow Wilson's Leaders of Men).  Reason is a tool but can never be the motive force of the crowd.

Jonah Goldberg, Liberal Fascism, p179
Zeev Sternhell, The Birth of Fascist Ideology:  From Cultural Rebellion to Political Revolution, p.56
Jaxnative, (change for change's sake, "yes we can"), my addition

[vicupstate]

This is why I find it so difficult to vote Republican, even when they have a good candidate.  So often, they take the 'multiplication by division' route.    Let's appeal to people's fears, to their baser instincts, to their xenophopbia, let's make the man/woman the issue, instead of making the issues the issue.  Let's believe even the most ridiculous of charges based on the weakest of evidence. 

Granted there is viceral hate of W (just as there was of Clinton). But at least most of it, or at least most of it that is taken seriously, is based on his policies and decisions in office.  No one tries to claim he was a KKK member, or a John Birch Society member, or a rascist or homophobe or sexist, or a fascist, or a nazi sympathizer, or a snake-handling religious nut.       

I guess they will have to experience massive electoral defeat before they will learn they are playing a zero-sum game.  Fortunately, that might not be too long from now.

     

[RiversideGator]

This is why I find it so difficult to vote Republican, even when they have a good candidate.  So often, they take the 'multiplication by division' route.    Let's appeal to people's fears, to their baser instincts, to their xenophopbia, let's make the man/woman the issue, instead of making the issues the issue.  Let's believe even the most ridiculous of charges based on the weakest of evidence. 

Actually, I vote Republican based on the issues.  And, some this stuff is fluff.  But, some of it has substance.  You really can judge a person by their associations.  Obama has made some very bad choices about mentors and associates.  It really makes me question his judgment.

Granted there is viceral hate of W (just as there was of Clinton). But at least most of it, or at least most of it that is taken seriously, is based on his policies and decisions in office.  No one tries to claim he was a KKK member, or a John Birch Society member, or a rascist or homophobe or sexist, or a fascist, or a nazi sympathizer, or a snake-handling religious nut.       

Have you read any of the posts by your fellow liberal, StephenDare?? 

I guess they will have to experience massive electoral defeat before they will learn they are playing a zero-sum game.  Fortunately, that might not be too long from now.

I dont know.  The Dems have suffered electoral defeat after electoral defeat yet they keep nominating the same sorts of left wingers.  See also Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, etc, etc...

[vicupstate]

This is why I find it so difficult to vote Republican, even when they have a good candidate.  So often, they take the 'multiplication by division' route.    Let's appeal to people's fears, to their baser instincts, to their xenophopbia, let's make the man/woman the issue, instead of making the issues the issue.  Let's believe even the most ridiculous of charges based on the weakest of evidence. 

Actually, I vote Republican based on the issues.  And, some this stuff is fluff.  But, some of it has substance.  You really can judge a person by their associations.  Obama has made some very bad choices about mentors and associates.  It really makes me question his judgment.

I don't hear much about issues from the GOP, just nonsense about muslims, marxism, etc.  I welcome such a discussion. As for associations, any elected official can be tied in some way to someone that is unsavory.  McCain can be too.  There is no evidence that Jeremiah Wright was anything other than a spiritual advisor.  There is also no evidence that Obama subscribes to Wright's most rascist beliefs either.   

Granted there is viceral hate of W (just as there was of Clinton). But at least most of it, or at least most of it that is taken seriously, is based on his policies and decisions in office.  No one tries to claim he was a KKK member, or a John Birch Society member, or a rascist or homophobe or sexist, or a fascist, or a nazi sympathizer, or a snake-handling religious nut.       

Have you read any of the posts by your fellow liberal, StephenDare?? 

I haven't seen him use any of those adjectives.  Of course, I can't and don't read every post on here either.  Feel free to quote Stephen's use of the above adjectives. Regardless, one person posting on a blog hardly compares to the right-wing propaganda/slander machine.     

I guess they will have to experience massive electoral defeat before they will learn they are playing a zero-sum game.  Fortunately, that might not be too long from now.

I dont know.  The Dems have suffered electoral defeat after electoral defeat yet they keep nominating the same sorts of left wingers.  See also Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, etc, etc...

The Dems have taken their lumps to be sure. Of course, Clinton did win twice and Gore won the popular vote, and quite possibly the electoral vote too, albeit it may have been stolen from him.  No doubt, if everyone could re-vote knowing what they know now, Gore would have won in a landslide, and Kerry would have too.

If Obama takes a far left course, he will regret it.   Hopefully, he will follow the middle of the road course that Clinton eventually did and achieve greatness.     

[Charleston native]

Funny stuff. He's got a point about the mamby-pambies, though.