Developer Jeff Morr delays Jacksonville plans pending the HRO

[strider]

Stephen,you are so focused on dissing me in some way that you failed to get the point. Just to let you know that I am actually on your side in this:

A HRO will not change or add to anyone's basic rights. Nor will it prevent the illegal acts of the few. But it will make those on the fringe pause and give that service. It will make the boss pause and insure he is firing for all the right reasons. It will make that landlord consider twice and act once when the hater next door makes those complaints about the "gays" he rents to. It will also make it easier to bring lawsuits if a LBGT person feels they were discriminated against.

But for the most part, what the LBGT community gets is peace of mind. Isn't that the reason many large companies are for the HRO? The simple fact that their employees can feel at ease that their basic rights are going to be honored no matter what their soul may make them?

Anyway, that's this Average Joe's take on things. And why I personally want the City Council to vote for and pass the all inclusive HRO. Not because I think every LBGT person's rights are being denied but because they deserve the same peace of mind I have. I can see past the rhetoric on both sides to the basics and that is what I think you need to get across to everyone out here if you want that HRO to pass.

But go ahead and keep stressing what you are and see how far that gets you with the rest of the residents of Jacksonville.  Do you think that if 10 or 15% of Jacksonville's residents end up believing that the LBGT community thinks they deserve more than the average person does will you ever get that HRO to pass?

Have you not listened to the rhetoric over things like Ability Housing and the disabled?

[strider]

Ha ha Stephen.  No, I am not wrong.  And you are talking about two different things and not realizing it.

And you obviously have no idea about how I feel about this issue. But I am not who you need to be concerned about.

And while Kim Scott has not yet been fired, Alvin Brown is not the Mayor.....so when you want to diss for political beliefs, try to find something you actually were right on as well.

[Tacachale]

It is true that the HRO doesn't grant any new rights, it just protects the rights of people from being discriminated against. It's not true, or at least not clear, that existing laws protect those rights. Hence the need.

[strider]

Ha ha Stephen. No, I am not wrong.  And you are talking abut two different things and not realizing it.

And you obviously have no idea about how I feel about this issue. But I am not who you need to be concerned about.

And while Kim Scott has not yet been fired, Alvin Brown is not the Mayor.....so when you want to diss for political beliefs, try to find something you actually was right on as well.

you stated how you feel about this issue, you are for its passage.

But how you feel about legal redress is incorrect.

And no. I voted for Alvin Brown with lots of reason to dislike him, about which I was correct.  I also predicted that Lenny Curry would not pass an HRO. About which I was correct, and in fact we are presently discussing that very issue. You voted (and advocated for) Lenny Curry based on the idea that they would fire Kim Scott, and that the situation couldn't get any worse.

How did that work out for you?

Stephen, the only place I voted for Curry because he was going to fire Kim Scott is in your mind.  Not sure how you created that fantasy, but you obviously did and enjoy posting about it often. Kinda creepy actually...

And you still miss my point.  Basically, there is a group of people who consistently have felt that anti-discrimination laws have consistently been abused by those whom they protect.  It is a common rallying point for the opponents of said laws.  Even remotely implying that the LBGT community deserves more rights than they do feeds this believe and helps it spread.  You can argue that I have no clue or you can recognize the facts and help the cause.  Your choice. Doesn't really matter to me.  My civil rights in regards to firing, eviction and service are protected as much as yours and I am far more likely to be granted those rights than you are, if you were LBGT. Hmmm, isn't that the reason we need the HRO?