Prosecutions Coming for Global Warming Deniers?

[RiversideGator]

Find the most far fetched, Chicken Little scenario on any issue and there you will find Stephen boldly stating that the end is nigh.

I wonder what I look like in these little dream excursions of yours River.  Its obvious that you have created for yourself a fully realized "Stephen Dare Avatar" with which you concoct fantasy conversations and scenarios.

Reality: Lifelong Republican nonsmoking, nondrinking, drug and disease free fan of Ayn Rand who was raised in a pentecostal holiness tradition before converting to Baptist with a debt aversion so extreme that he has never taken an interest bearing loan becomes transformed into:

Riversidegator's Stephen.   Left wing liberal who was recently nominated for the Vice President of Free Love.

its an interesting fantasy construct, River.

Am I naked in these fantasies?  Do I wear uniforms?  Or maybe something more natural and gauzy.  Do I drink little umbrella drinks while eating arugula?  Or do I feed you grapes while you loll about on the throne of Riverside?

You do have a truly bizarre imagination.  Stating that you fall for every Chicken Little scenario does not logically lead to the above in any way.

[RiversideGator]

so, dave, we have your thesis.

Still waiting on Rivers, since he just denied that every point he has made over the past two years has anything to do with reality.

We have bridge Trolls.

Just waiting on River.

I do not believe that rising CO2 levels will cause temperatures to rise to the extent prophesied by the GW crowd if at all.  I think CO2 may have a minor greenhouse effect but this pales in comparison to other factors such as water vapor and it can be dealt with naturally by the atmosphere with various natural feedbacks.  It is really as simple as that.

Oh and please stop attempting to put words into my mouth.  You need to focus on yourself and formulating a logical, fact based argument.

So you do believe that Climate Change is occurring?

"Climate change" is always occurring to some extent.  I do not think it is occurring in any disastrous fashion and to claim that there is the chance of extinction is laughably absurd.

[gatorback]

Find the most far fetched, Chicken Little scenario on any issue and there you will find Stephen boldly stating that the end is nigh.

I wonder what I look like in these little dream excursions of yours River.  Its obvious that you have created for yourself a fully realized "Stephen Dare Avatar" with which you concoct fantasy conversations and scenarios.

Reality: Lifelong Republican nonsmoking, nondrinking, drug and disease free fan of Ayn Rand who was raised in a pentecostal holiness tradition before converting to Baptist with a debt aversion so extreme that he has never taken an interest bearing loan becomes transformed into:

Riversidegator's Stephen.   Left wing liberal who was recently nominated for the Vice President of Free Love.

its an interesting fantasy construct, River.

Am I naked in these fantasies?  Do I wear uniforms?  Or maybe something more natural and gauzy.  Do I drink little umbrella drinks while eating arugula?  Or do I feed you grapes while you loll about on the throne of Riverside?

Well you gotta admit his fantasy land Stephen Dare is a little bit more fun the reality Stephen Dare. Lol.

[RiversideGator]

who knows, maybe ill truly bloom in my 40s.

River, theres hope yet.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I am a confirmed heterosexual and married.

[RiversideGator]

As I stated one page (and hours) ago my position is this:

I do not believe that rising CO2 levels will cause temperatures to rise to the extent prophesied by the GW crowd if at all.  I think CO2 may have a minor greenhouse effect but this pales in comparison to other factors such as water vapor and it can be dealt with naturally by the atmosphere with various natural feedbacks.  It is really as simple as that.

[Midway ®]

Sounds "simple".

[gatorback]

As I stated one page (and hours) ago my position is this:

I do not believe that rising CO2 levels will cause temperatures to rise to the extent prophesied by the GW crowd if at all.  I think CO2 may have a minor greenhouse effect but this pales in comparison to other factors such as water vapor and it can be dealt with naturally by the atmosphere with various natural feedbacks.  It is really as simple as that.

OK.  What body of evidence do you have to support your argument? 

[RiversideGator]

Sounds "simple".

I knew you would appreciate this, midway.   

[RiversideGator]

Well, first consider that CO2 levels have gone up dramatically in the last century yet the temperature has advanced hardly at all.  This, in and of itself, probably disproves the idea that CO2 increases cause temperature increases.

[gatorback]

So this is crap? 

http://sparkleberrysprings.com/v-web/b2/?p=827

Ottawa: 45.40N, 75.72W

Temperatures: Winter temperatures have increased by 2.1 degC since 1970. All other seasons show an increase in temperature, with spring the least: 0.8 degC. All seasonal temperatures have been on the rise since 1900.

Athens: 33.26N, 83.24W

Temperatures: Winter temperatures have increased by 0.8 degC since 1970, an acceleration from 0.3 degC since 1900. All other seasons show an increase.

[RiversideGator]

Did you mean to post a graph with the data from Athens, GA?

[gatorback]

yet the temperature has advanced hardly at all...

So, your argument is that you know what "hardly at all" is?

http://www.grida.no/climate/vital/17.htm

[RiversideGator]

So why did the temperatures go up dramatically in the 1930s and 40s (a time of relatively low CO2 levels and industrialization) and then drop in the 1960s and 70s (a time of relatively higher CO2 levels and industrialization)?  It seems clear that, even if CO2 plays some role, natural variability is far more of a factor in climate.

[gatorback]

So why did the temperatures go up dramatically in the 1930s and 40s (a time of relatively low CO2 levels and industrialization) and then drop in the 1960s and 70s (a time of relatively higher CO2 levels and industrialization)?  It seems clear that, even if CO2 plays some role, natural variability is far more of a factor in climate.

I don't know yet; however, I was looking for the data to support your theory and can't find any.

[Lunican]

So why did the temperatures go up dramatically in the 1930s and 40s (a time of relatively low CO2 levels and industrialization) and then drop in the 1960s and 70s (a time of relatively higher CO2 levels and industrialization)?  It seems clear that, even if CO2 plays some role, natural variability is far more of a factor in climate.

The variance from the mean is large in the 1800's and early 1900's, decreases in the 40's to the 80's, then increases in the opposite direction in the past 30 years. This would indicate an upward shift in temperature.