NOAA Issues report on severe weather & global warming

[Midway ®]

Thanks. Now I feel safe. Can I tunnel under your house and live there?

[gatorback]

Is idiocy a natural thing for you Midway, or is it an acquired skill? You and Lunican think with the smidgeon of knowledge of nuclear war that you possess, you honestly know more about nuclear policy than me?That's fine, I'll let you live in your ignorance.

Actually, we watched the movies on our own free time, but they were suggested by our training officers.

River, notice the constant twisting and manipulation of words that these supreme intellectuals use when making their attacks/arguments, such as Lunican's statement about us launch officers strategizing nuclear war. At no time did I say that. It should've been implied that while launch officers don't strategize, we know how it's done by higher ranking officials, because we are trained on the process. I did say that they have no clue how it's done, and the continuous ignorant statements are proving me correct.

Lol. I've been entertained lately on the forum...that whole giving and giving of the rope sure is paying off in some halarious open  mouth insert foot amusement/hanging.

Besides that, I've been glued to the weather channel.  Seems we might get a named tropical depression in the next few days.  Lightining, fire, wind, flood, um, The Countdown to Armageddon?

What are the signs of Armageddon agian?

[RiversideGator]

Still waiting on the GW predictions to happen....

[Doctor_K]

Democracy works, but sometimes churns slowly. Time is short. The 2008 election is critical for the planet. If Americans turn out to pasture the most brontosaurian congressmen, if Washington adapts to address climate change, our children and grandchildren can still hold great expectations.

Ehh.  (does the 'so-so' hand-shaking gesture)

China recently surpassed the US as the worst carbon-emitting and pollution-producing offender.  (Or at the very least, it's slated to do so within the next 1-2 years.)  That said, doesn't the 2008 US Presidential election become much less consequential in the grand scheme of things?  Shouldn't we (i.e. the industrial and post-industrial, but even moreso the Kyoto Protocol signatories) now turn to China and India and other emerging industrial nations and say "learn from our mistakes and don't repeat them?"

We should.

ALSO:

Special interests have blocked transition to our renewable energy future. Instead of moving heavily into renewable energies, fossil companies choose to spread doubt about global warming, as tobacco companies discredited the smoking-cancer link.

Well of course they're going to.  When outside forces are trying (for whatever reason - good, bad, political, ecological, health, whatever) to aggresivley run you out of business, you're going to try even more aggressively to stay in business.  It's in your best financial interest to fight to keep your business solvent and profitable in an increasingly hostile marketplace.  It's financial/economical suicide not to.  Otherwise what's the point of being an entrepreneur?

Why is the general reaction to that always shock and disgust?

[gatorback]

Why is the general reaction to that always shock and disgust?

Because we could be better stewards.  I think we're all called to be better stewards and for those of us who are we are always shocked.  Kind of like those seal pup head hammerings.  What human wouldn't be shocked by this?  Imagine the pup being mother nature.  This is what we are doing to Mother Nature.

[RiversideGator]

Um.  the polar ice caps are melting as predicted, and every forecast made by Hansen in 88 has come to pass.  What else would you want?

Actually, this statement is false.

BTW, any source for your posted article?  Mother Jones maybe?

[RiversideGator]

Oh and the accuracy of James Hansen's findings and predictions are in serious doubt.  He is basically acting as a partisan political figure now rather than as a scientist.

I did a yahoo search of "james hansen liar" and got 497,000 hits.  Interesting...

[Doctor_K]

Because we could be better stewards.  I think we're all called to be better stewards and for those of us who are we are always shocked.  Kind of like those seal pup head hammerings.  What human wouldn't be shocked by this?  Imagine the pup being mother nature.  This is what we are doing to Mother Nature.

You lost me on the hammering the heads of seal pups, GatorBack, and I think I'm kind of glad.    I'm all for being a better steward of the planet.  I'm very much *not* all for letting politics/government make that decision for me.

My question was why are the haters of big oil and big tobacco and big-this and big-that always so shocked and disgusted that those businesses are trying to stay in business?  I'm not looking for a moral or political fight on this one.  I'm merely looking at it from the economics standpoint.  From the business aspect, it's common sense that they'd fight to keep themselves in business. 

[Driven1]

Um.  the polar ice caps are melting as predicted, and every forecast made by Hansen in 88 has come to pass.  What else would you want?

Actually, this statement is false.

BTW, any source for your posted article?  Mother Jones maybe?

It was posted in multiple formats, Im sure you have found a source for the essay.

By the way, if you are claiming the arctic circle isnt melting you are a liar.  And not even a terribly informed one.

However I have noticed that as your obfuscations on the issue have become more strident, your tendency to call people liars has become more hair trigger.

its very unattractive of you.

lol...

The phrase "Pot calling the kettle black" is an idiom, used to accuse another speaker of hypocrisy, in that the speaker disparages the subject for a fault or negative behavior that could equally be applied to him or her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_calling_the_kettle_black

[Midway ®]

Ohhh....  sot that's what it means when they say "pot meet kettle"!   Gee, thanks. I thought he wanted a steak and tea.

The picture really helps me understand. The kettle has very beady eyes, don't you think? I wonder where he's from?

[gatorback]

Dr. K.:   OK.  Perhaps the seal pup was a stretch, however, what I was getting at is simply that for the most part if left unchecked man has always seem to have done the wrong thing, remember strip-mining, Deforestation from underground and surface mining, unfair trade practices, monopolistic competition, etc., etc., etc.  Hopefully, as a people we elect representatives that have our best interest in mind.  Is our government doing a good job at this?  Not at the moment. 

I'm not for letting government make some decision for me either, but how else are we going to get things done?