Bill Bishop Campaign Requests Apology

Started by Metro Jacksonville, January 20, 2015, 03:45:02 PM

Metro Jacksonville

Bill Bishop Campaign Requests Apology



I am writing in reference to a distasteful and disturbing show of what I would call a blatant departure from the principles and moral fiber that define our Republican party.


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simms3

Bothering locals and trolling boards since 2005

jerry cornwell

#2
Its not "my" Republican party. Its Bill Bishop's party. To show true character, he should leave this party that ejected his most ardent supporter (who forfeited his own campaign to support Bishop). You can blame it on money. And you can definitely blame it on principles, which in no way ran along the line of any Republican party I know. But it all comes down to Bishop's character, his campaigns strongest asset. Bishop has been played. And his party will continue to drag him like alligator bait. All the way to Lenny Curry's election.
Democracy is TERRIBLE!  But its the best we got!  W.S. Churchill

Redbaron616

Both parties are rotten to the bone. I vote third party or independent or not at all. Both parties spend like there is no tomorrow and care little about anything but winning.

vicupstate

The best thing that could happen to JAX politics would be a switch to nonpartisan elections. Then they need to repeal the term limits, at least for Mayor. 

Mr. Wilson looks to be rather young, hopefully this will be a lesson to him in the so called 'principles'  of the Republican Party.  Principles, ideals and competence take a back seat to deal making and who your daddy was.   
"The problem with quotes on the internet is you can never be certain they're authentic." - Abraham Lincoln

jerry cornwell

#5
Quote from: vicupstate on January 20, 2015, 07:55:55 PM
The best thing that could happen to JAX politics would be a switch to nonpartisan elections. Then they need to repeal the term limits, at least for Mayor. 

Mr. Wilson looks to be rather young, hopefully this will be a lesson to him in the so called 'principles'  of the Republican Party.  Principles, ideals and competence take a back seat to deal making and who your daddy was.   
They've done that. The top 2 popular vote finals return in May for the Mayorial (runoff) election. Regardless of political affiliation. And providing all candidates have less than a majority of votes. As for the term limits, it actually provides the incumbent the option of doing whatever (political) objectives he desires with no (political) consquences as he's ineligible for re-election.
Democracy is TERRIBLE!  But its the best we got!  W.S. Churchill

Tacachale

We could remove party affiliations from the official ballots. It may have an impact on elections things turn out.

As for term limits, there are positives and minuses. The biggest minus is that the people with experience get cycled out after a few years. And too often, these are incompetent do-nothing ribbon-cutters. Like we've got now.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

jerry cornwell

Quote from: Tacachale on January 20, 2015, 08:40:53 PM
We could remove party affiliations from the official ballots. It may have an impact on elections things turn out.

As for term limits, there are positives and minuses. The biggest minus is that the people with experience get cycled out after a few years. And too often, these are incompetent do-nothing ribbon-cutters. Like we've got now.
You can't remove party affiliations from the ballots. Thats what Lenin Trotsky Mussolini Hitler Castro did. Taking politics out for "leadership".
For term limits, the positives is the incumbent can do whatever he (politically) wants because of no fear of (political) consequences. For a Democrat looking to further his career, pushing feverently for a HRO legislation is ESSENTIAL for a job in DC. Especially when the future POTUS is standing beside you in March giving her glowing endorsement!
Democracy is TERRIBLE!  But its the best we got!  W.S. Churchill

Gamblor

Quote from: jerry cornwell on January 20, 2015, 09:23:23 PM
You can't remove party affiliations from the ballots. Thats what Lenin Trotsky Mussolini Hitler Castro did.

How could Trotsky remove party affiliation from ballots if Lenin had already done it? Oh wait, you're just trying use an emotional appeal because you have nothing substantial to actually add. My bad.

brainstormer

I wish Bill Bishop would run as an independent. Even though Mayor Brown has disappointed me many times by his lack of leadership, there is no way in hell I would vote for Curry. Bill might be able to get my vote. For one, he isn't afraid to take stances on issues and back them up with rationale.

Charles Hunter

Quote from: brainstormer on January 20, 2015, 10:47:36 PM
I wish Bill Bishop would run as an independent. Even though Mayor Brown has disappointed me many times by his lack of leadership, there is no way in hell I would vote for Curry. Bill might be able to get my vote. For one, he isn't afraid to take stances on issues and back them up with rationale.

+100

Jimmy

You can remove party labels from the ballots.  We do it for Judges, School Board, and Soil and Water.

We should have either a traditional party primary or do away with partisan labels that have become meaningless in local elections.  I've voted for progressive Republicans (I was with Audrey) and conservative Democrats (Mayor Brown). 

With no primary, party labels are meaningless in local races.  IMHO, of course.

Tacachale

Plenty of places don't include party affiliation on the ballot. And if you're expecting Alvin Brown to come out in support of the Human Rights Ordinance or most any other important issue, you should probably prepare yourself to be disappointed.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

jerry cornwell

Quote from: Gamblor on January 20, 2015, 09:57:39 PM
Quote from: jerry cornwell on January 20, 2015, 09:23:23 PM
You can't remove party affiliations from the ballots. Thats what Lenin Trotsky Mussolini Hitler Castro did.

How could Trotsky remove party affiliation from ballots if Lenin had already done it? Oh wait, you're just trying use an emotional appeal because you have nothing substantial to actually add. My bad.
Read your history books. And think twice about editing your posts to prove your own substance over my historical facts. In terms of the totalitaristic Russian revolution, Trotsky actually eliminated the opposing (political) parties though Lenin provided direction. Under the pretext of my (deleted by you) quote, leadership over politics. And, to repeat myself, you wont remove political affliations from political offices.
Democracy is TERRIBLE!  But its the best we got!  W.S. Churchill

vicupstate

Quote from: jerry cornwell on January 20, 2015, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: vicupstate on January 20, 2015, 07:55:55 PM
The best thing that could happen to JAX politics would be a switch to nonpartisan elections. Then they need to repeal the term limits, at least for Mayor. 

Mr. Wilson looks to be rather young, hopefully this will be a lesson to him in the so called 'principles'  of the Republican Party.  Principles, ideals and competence take a back seat to deal making and who your daddy was.   
They've done that. The top 2 popular vote finals return in May for the Mayorial (runoff) election. Regardless of political affiliation. And providing all candidates have less than a majority of votes. As for the term limits, it actually provides the incumbent the option of doing whatever (political) objectives he desires with no (political) consquences as he's ineligible for re-election.

That is NOT nonpartisan, that is unitary ballot.  Nonpartisan is NO party affiliation is listed on the ballot. No disrespect, but your comment about Castro, Hitler etc. is nonsense. There are plenty of cities nationwide that run nonpartisan elections.  Houston and Nashville just to mention two. Political affiliation is meaningless at the local level.  All it does is make the office a 'reward' for political power brokers.  It brings a lot of money and people into the equation that seek only to advance a political party's 'scorecard'/power, without genuine concern for the governance aspect.   

Being term-limited makes you a lame duck that has significantly reduced leverage/power over everything and everyone.  Peyton was no more of a leader in his second term than his first. It is up to the individual themselves as to how much leadership/results they provide, regardless of which term they are in.  It takes more than eight years to effectively transform a city, especially when most mayors need a year or two (at least) to learn the job and how to effectively use that power.
"The problem with quotes on the internet is you can never be certain they're authentic." - Abraham Lincoln