Is All Aboard Florida A Match For Jacksonville?

[tufsu1]

All Aboard Florida would be a great fit if:

The City would get off of the Prime Osborn immediately and move whatever convention activity, trade shows etc... to the Arena until a proper convention center can be built.

I think we have at least 3+ years before All Aboard Florida could be here anyway...so no need to move stuff to the arena (which, btw, doesn't have the floor space for trade shows)....we just need to get moving on building at least a temporary exhibition space adjacent to the Hyatt

[thelakelander]

While we try and figure things out, it appears that AAF plans to build the tallest tower in the US outside of Chicago and NYC at their MiamiCentral station:

MiamiCentral Supertower Could Become One Of The Tallest In The U.S.

All Aboard Florida has been calling one of the planned towers at MiamiCentral a 'supertower,' and it could could become one of the tallest buildings in the country.

According to a recent filing with the FAA, All Aboard Florida wants to build the tower as high as 1,120 feet above ground (or 1,131 above sea level). That would make it taller than any building that exists or is under construction in the U.S., outside of New York and Chicago.

It also won't be the only tall tower at MiamiCentral. At least one other high rise at the site is proposed to rise to 840 feet above ground.

Site work is already underway at MiamiCentral and the first phase will begin full construction soon.

Full article: http://www.thenextmiami.com/index.php/miamicentral-supertower-become-one-tallest-u-s/

[Charles Hunter]

A tall building will be useful to get above the rising sea level.

[Ocklawaha]

A tall building will be useful to get above the rising sea level.

I'd go for 'cheap,' and issue canoes since the scientist that first postulated the 'Global Warming' theory has retracted his study and announced; 'I was wrong!'

However, a building over Bay St. at Skyway Station Level would free up the area to the west of the station for intercity buses, and make for a dual service parking garage at the old Railway Post Office lot.

[finehoe]

...the scientist that first postulated the 'Global Warming' theory has retracted his study and announced; 'I was wrong!'

Who might that be, Dr. Koch?

[spuwho]

For those who say AAF is a money sink, this is proof that the real estate is the true profit center.

[thelakelander]

Renderings of AAF's proposed Orlando airport station courtesy of Prahaboheme  at http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=6816811&postcount=506

[thelakelander]

Ground clearing underway at the MiamiCentral station courtesy of bobdreamz at http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=6814446&postcount=503

[Captain Zissou]

In reading the Next Miami article, I have to wonder how Miami can support that much new construction. 5+ buildings over 1,000 feet is millions of square feet. There is no way all of this new space will be occupied.

[thelakelander]

Foreign buyers:

For downtown and the surrounding areas, in coming years residents can expect greater infill. But interest isn't the only factor that infill depends on.

"The infill projects will happen more rapidly once the transportation options get further developed in Miami as well," Ms. Salk said.

The development authority's study offers a snapshot of development in the moment. Where Brickell and Edgewater are growing fastest, areas like Midtown are in the earlier stages of life. Long-term growth is expected in the Central Business District and Arts and Entertainment areas, the study says.

Unsurprisingly, domestic buyers aren't the ones snapping up residential units in greater downtown. The study reported that 90% of buyers of new residential units are from abroad. In a city like Miami, that's par for the course.

"That's been consistent in Miami forever. Miami is a city that has been built by immigrants," Ms. Cervera Lamadrid said.

"Out-of-country investors have an edge on how to make some money in real estate in Miami," Ms. Salk said. As financing becomes more readily available, however, greater downtown could see more domestic buyers.

full article: http://www.miamitodaynews.com/2014/07/30/fastest-housing-growth-brickell-edgewater/

[Tacachale]

Hmm, massive, expensive real estate speculation. What could possibly go wrong?

[ricker]

I'm curious how the timeline ends up fitting together  concerning
the completion of the [eventually] needed (?) Full interchange at Atlantic to see how it will do for Hendricks what the Forest St. Interchange has done for SR211 in Brooklyn,
the rebirth of the not-yet-built community across from the relocated now vacant Volvo dealership [Jackson Square FEC stop at Alexandria park?], the East San Marco Publix, "Healthy"Town, Kings Ave reinvigoration - which have the power to help heal the issues felt by River Oaks residents East to Douglas Anderson area/Empire Point, St.Nick,

Sorry for the tangent, but is it likely the Southbank Riverwalk will ever contiguously reach Nemours from Healthy Town?
(rail just forces me to think growth)
Preposterous to imagine anything like a St.Louis arch over the St.Johns connecting the Ship Yards to Healthy Town, rail to the Zoo?

Question:
General consensus,
will it take all of that happening,
the Parador garage having retail,
the Landing being redeveloped,
a new convention center built,
the Trio being complete,
AND A HOTEL in Brooklyn
before a streetcar line + tiny & simple skyway extension reach anywhere near Blue Cross, Black Knight Financial et al, Annie Lytle old public school no. 4, the Gorrie dog park, 'artists promenade' spanning RAM to Riverside Park AND SPRINGFIELD?


Will Beacon Riverside, AND a possible future northbank riverwalk extension South from RAM to Post St. at the Garden Club, Woman's Club end of the Cummer campus have to be complete BEFORE JAX gets a streetcar line for our hospitals?
Connecting UF, BAPTIST, St.Vincents areas,
an S Line streetcar with extensions East and West reaching the stadium,  the old Ford plant and the Farmers Market, all seem to make too much sense to happen as quickly as it seems it could.

Springfield, Five Points, DT & the Skyway need STREETCAR, now.
JACKSONVILLE  NEEDS  Springfield, Five Points, Down Town, the skyway, and yes even  BRT to have STREETCAR.

Thanks for the book Ock & team!
You guys make me think.
(preposterous to build something like a St.Louis arch over the St.Johns between Shipyards & Healthy Town?)
Stay well!

[ricker]

On the brighter side, the citizens who prevailed upon the FDOT and others to successfully advocate for pedestrian facilities in the Fuller Warren widening, and bike facilities along Atlantic below the overland bridge once finished: be proud of yourselves for moving something so basically essential to the forefront!

cheering you all on!
Be proud!

More rail!

I'm such a nerd for all of this, for instance I'm thrilled that the Arlington Expressway conversion to more normal Boulevard all at the same grade is being explored.
If this new facility is designed to acconodate rail to Regency, streetcar loops through UNF & JU,
even before the Mathews replacement is drawn on its last napkin, and Lonestar connects Regency to JU area, so much will change for.the better so long as pedestrians are the focus.

[thelakelander]

A section view of AAF's Miami station.



http://www.miamitodaynews.com/2014/12/10/aboard-florida-revises-station-plans/

[thelakelander]

Updated rendering of Miami's station:


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=198371&page=27