Obama is Renewing the American Sense of Identity. Unbelievable to Watch

Started by stephendare, May 18, 2008, 08:29:59 PM

RiversideGator

Quote from: stephendare on May 19, 2008, 02:22:48 PM
Warren Buffet, the oracle of Omaha, just endorsed Obama.


QuoteFRANKFURT (AFP) - Warren Buffett, the world's richest man, is backing Barak Obama for US president and thinks current US economic policy will push the dollar lower against other global currencies
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Buffett told a press conference here Monday he had offered support to both Obama and Democratic rival Hillary Clinton but that since it appeared Obama would win the party's nomination, "I will be very happy if he is elected president.

"He is my choice," Buffett said.

No surprise here.  Buffet is a liberal and he waited till the end of the campaign to see who would be the likely nominee for the Dems and then endorsed him.

BTW, I support a strong dollar too and I am a conservative.  Most conservatives support a strong dollar in fact.

RiversideGator

BTW, rap artists and musicians in general are some of the dumbest people on the planet, so a music video is not exactly an impressive endorsement.

RiversideGator


Downtown Dweller

Can someone please tell me why I should vote for Obama? I am sorry but I have not heard one solid plan from him for anything (winning the war, health care, education, welfare control, reduction of taxes and spending, absolutely nothing). I haveheard he attends (ed... still a question) a racist church, that his wife has made some derogatory comments about America (apparently she is happy enough to live here and take advantage of all this country has to offer, but has never been "proud of America", that he has slammed the working class, and he supports LATE term abortion without a threat to life.

Sorry but all of this turns my stomach, and I have not heard a real defined argument from him to balance all the negative, in fact all I have heard so far is "I hate bush and so do you!) Why can't we get any decent, qualified and experienced candidates to run anymore?!!!

RiversideGator

Quote from: stephendare on May 19, 2008, 03:09:01 PM
Nothing is more ignorant than discussing the work of people you have neither read nor taken the time to understand.  It is the biggest sign of a really dumb person.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.  The hilarious thing is that you don't realize it.

Stephen:  I have read all of your posts and posted articles, not counting the silly videos you have a penchant for posting.  It isnt that I havent read it.  The problem is you are dead wrong.

And, calling me "dumb" just goes to show that you cannot win the debate. 

RiversideGator

From Stephen's formerly beloved National Review:

QuoteGreat Divider
Unless America is supposed to unite on the far Left, Obama won't unite us.


By Kathryn Jean Lopez

There’s a lot we don’t know about Democratic senator Barack Obama. But there’s also a lot we do. This presidential election swing has lasted more than a year now, and many of us have been watching him since his big speech at the 2004 Democratic convention. We have his record in the U.S. Senate and the Illinois state legislature. His political advent after the Iowa caucuses may have been announced by choirs of angels, but he has an earthly history that’s goes back further than that. In short: We ought to start paying attention to what information we have and stop projecting our hopes and dreams onto his frequent, energizing, but largely empty rhetoric at campaign rallies.

Consider what we do know about Obama. He says he’ll “immediately” pull American troops out of Iraq. And, bizarrely, also promises that if there is a resurgence of al-Qaeda there, he’ll send the troops back in.

Obama has said: “Listening to the views, even of those who we violently disagree with, that sends a signal to the world that we are going to turn the page on the failed diplomacy that the Bush administration has practiced for so long.” And so, as the president of the United States, he would sit down with Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a charter member of the “Axis of Evil.”

He regularly took his daughters to hear the Rev. Jeremiah “God Damn America” Wright preach. He and his wife chose to make Wright a part of their family’s life and career; it was only after Wright was invited to Obama’s campaign announcement that the offer was reconsidered and taken back.

Obama has the most liberal voting record in Congress, according to National Journal.

Why are we not getting this picture? Obama is a radical left-winger, however saccharine his rhetoric.

When the National Journal ratings came out in January, an Obama campaign spokesman tried to explain away his score: “As Sen. Obama travels across the country, and as we’ve seen in the early contests, he’s the one candidate who’s shown the ability to appeal to Republicans and the ability to appeal to independents.” Liberal congresswoman Zoe Lofgren of California said: “Instead of focusing in on what divides us, it’s focusing in on what can unite us. People are sick of the divisions. Republicans I know â€" and I know quite a few â€" are very enthused by this guy.”

Surrender does not unite our country. (We may not like the war in Iraq, but we also do not like losing.) Higher taxes will not unite America. Jeremiah Wright does not unite America.

Obama is not a savior, for black, white, or any other American.

As much as the Obama campaign would like to think it is a problem in their past, the Wright issue will continue to be a problem for Obama. And it should be.

Recently, on Bill Bennett’s morning radio show, Gary MacDougal, who was chairman of the Illinois Governor’s Task Force on Human Services Reform and is the author of Make a Difference: A Spectacular Breakthrough in the Fight Against Poverty, pointed out the depressing danger of Obama domestically: He gives a boost to the likes of Wright â€" people who damage communities by holding back others from striving for and attaining the American Dream.

In the Washington Post, MacDougal wrote: “Imagine getting up each morning to go to work in a society that doesn’t want you, doesn’t respect you and seeks to hold you back. Your spiritual leader has told you this, after all. . . . If this is the message you got from your mentor, would you expect that you could succeed? Would you try very hard, if at all?”

Further, MacDougal, who’s worked with Obama, says his experience echoes the National Journal rating: Obama’s a man of the Left.

Also on Bennett’s show, former Minnesota Congressman Vin Weber said of the now-presumed Democratic presidential nominee and his presumably Democrat-majority Congress: “They’re going to raise the capital-gains tax. They’re going to severely impede trade policy. . . . The regulations that we’re going to see as a result of the Democratic approach to climate change are going to truly be burdensome and costly.”

Acknowledging business leaders who have endorsed Obama, Weber observed that some of them are succumbing to the same thing folks at Obama rallies are: “Business doesn’t like Washington. They don’t like politics. They don’t like partisanship.” Weber concluded: “We’re headed toward a big left turn in economic policy if this guy is elected president.”

Listen to Obama. Look at his record. Are we all of a sudden supposed to believe that he’s no longer the strident man of the Left that his record and associations indicate? Are we supposed to believe, on the strength of a series of campaign speeches, rather than legislative action, that Obama has changed, and is now ready to govern as a centrist? That’s not change I can believe in.

â€" Kathryn Jean Lopez is the editor of National Review Online. 
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTBiM2IyYTM3OTFlYzkxYWE1MTE2NDNjMWNlNDE5ZGQ=

RiversideGator

Quote from: stephendare on May 19, 2008, 04:13:45 PM
Quote from: RiversideGator on May 19, 2008, 04:11:07 PM
Quote from: stephendare on May 19, 2008, 03:09:01 PM
Nothing is more ignorant than discussing the work of people you have neither read nor taken the time to understand.  It is the biggest sign of a really dumb person.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.  The hilarious thing is that you don't realize it.

Stephen:  I have read all of your posts and posted articles, not counting the silly videos you have a penchant for posting.  It isnt that I havent read it.  The problem is you are dead wrong.

And, calling me "dumb" just goes to show that you cannot win the debate. 

So you are going to make the claim here that you are acquainted with the works and lyrics of international Rap (or even American Rap) and understand any element of the art form, politics or anything else having to do with Rap?

Because that is what you originally claimed was 'dumb'.

Id be very interested in hearing your analysis of Tupac's work incidentally.

I do not find rap appealing as an art form.  Others can listen to it if they please but it does not appear to require a great deal of musical talent as much as marketing talent. 

Also, generally, musicians are gifted in the area of music far more than they are with intellect.

RiversideGator

BTW, that laundry list of proposals means more bureaucracy, more government workers, more federal spending, more taxes, more federal control over state and local governments, less prosecution of criminals, and less economic growth.  This is hardly a conservative or even moderate agenda.  Sorry, but this is nothing more than revamped Jimmy Carter.

RiversideGator

I really dont think rap "music" is anything more of a distraction here. 

Now that I think about it, I guess the real point of this thread to highlight your orgasmic love for Obama:


Downtown Dweller

Who is going to pay for all these programs, in every single instance provided it referenced “federal funding”. Stephen, I really do want to help the little guy, but I am a little guy too. The super rich in this country are not going to foot this bill alone, people like me ( middle class) are going to be footing a big part of this, and yet, I won’t be able to take advantage of any of the programs.

I am not slamming Obama; I am still trying to decide. I am concerned about all the federal spending growth indicated in his platform you posted, and I am also still concerned about the racist/class hating aspects of the comments floating around in the media. I can’t be taxed anymore than I am, I just flat out do not have any more money to give or else I will be living in public housing or in a vacant home here in beautiful Springfield. I want to live the dream of Obama, but can’t afford the payments. Instead of spending more on our social system which is already failing miserably, we should be spending less and streamlining it. There was a comment in the “Kite Runner” where in the father writes a check to the government for an orphanage. His advisor says something like “how foolish, you know they will skim half of it” and the father says “Only half? Then they are getting lazy!”  This could fit for our government right now. How is Obama going to make good on all these promises he is making the poor in this country?  Really, convince me….I am still undecided

Driven1

Quote from: stephendare on May 19, 2008, 04:33:00 PM
the republican plan for the future involves totally removing the burden from the wealthy and placing the future cost of all repairs and maintenance onto the middle class.

Pay attention to the past 8 years.   Consecutive tax cuts for the wealthy while deficit spending like crazy, and the raising of the tax burden on the middle class every time a choice had to be made.

If you are sick of being the only one paying taxes Downtown Dweller, then for God's sake dont vote Republican.

spoken like a true southern baptist republican.   :)

hey -guess what...i'm a left-wing radical democrat.  i just don't believe anything that they believe or hold any of their core values!!!

Driven1

dear hijacker of all things glorious,

your left-wing antics do not fool anybody.  McCain reaches across the nation and brings people together from all walks of life...


Obama:  Genocide is Okay, No Big Deal

http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2007/07/19/obama-genocide-is-okay/

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/07/20/obama_ap/



from LA publication... "Why Hispanics Like McCain"...
http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_9256590


gays for mccain

http://www.widespectrum.net/gay-blog/2008/2/3/gays-for-mccain.html



ps - is it true that Chelsea Clinton was fathered by Janet Reno???


Driven1

there your boys too.  let it go stephen.  there is always 2012.

gatorback

Why don't you just realize that at the end of the day, Obama  who is our front, lacks the "electibility" that hillary has  being far behind in the vote.  This is what is scary, if the super dupers  go with the o-man, then the dems are going to lose.  Can I bet on this in Vagas?   :D
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

Driven1

Quote from: stephendare on May 20, 2008, 12:42:26 AM
wow.  kinda racist.  And I think the country will surprise you. The same way it surprised the shit our of little miss inevitable. 

um...do you think this might have been just  TAD BIT bigoted stephen?  i am appalled.